2nd Amendment in the United States

Smoker1 · May 31, 2023

WalterSlovotsky said:
I would be happier with a cultural revolution, where we didn't need violence to find peace.

I know. I know.

Just saying. Either we are going to end violence or wipe each other out. There is no middle ground.

Not with the way the Governments are. Plus, you got to figure it like this......
One of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment was, if at some point, a Foreign Government, were to ever come after us, the People would be able to Fight back to help protect the Country. Yes, we would have the Military, but they cannot be everywhere, and with how some Law Enforcement are, and average Response times, I would rather be able to Protect myself, my Family and my Home myself. First few Seconds and Minutes are crucial

WalterSlovotsky · May 31, 2023

Smoker1 said:
Not with the way the Governments are. Plus, you got to figure it like this......
One of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment was, if at some point, a Foreign Government, were to ever come after us, the People would be able to Fight back to help protect the Country. Yes, we would have the Military, but they cannot be everywhere, and with how some Law Enforcement are, and average Response times, I would rather be able to Protect myself, my Family and my Home myself. First few Seconds and Minutes are crucial

I come from a military family. I get it. Well, I get how passionate THEY are about it.

I would rather live in a world where guns were never invented.

Smoker1 · May 31, 2023

WalterSlovotsky said:
I come from a military family. I get it. Well, I get how passionate THEY are about it.

I would rather live in a world where guns were never invented.

Yeah, I was a 63B10 (Light Wheel Vehicle Mechanic) from 2000 to 2008. Loved how BCT was, with the Drill SGTs pushing that Kill, Kill, Kill mentality into everyone, and glorifying War. I joined to do something with my Life, make something of myself, and if needed, protect my Country. Not lay in bed playing with myself to the thought of going to War, like some War Mongers do.
Point is, if and when it should ever come to it, People should be able to Protect themselves, their Families, Livelihood, and if needed, the Country. Better to have something and not ever need it, than need it, and not have it.

zekro94 · May 31, 2023

Smoker1 said:
Well, the People are supposed to be able to take back the Government. Says so in the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence. Oh, but with how Definitions are being Changed, now that is Insurrection, and Government telling you that you that The People can not do that.
Plus, look at some Countries that did Gun Control by Force. Especially Nazi Germany. Even used Children to push that on the People. Then China, now, they are Monitored like crazy, and if anyone does or says anything the CCP does not like, they are Restricted like hell.

So just surrender our Will, Rights and Freedoms to the Elite, huh? Also, there would more than likely be Veterans and current Soldiers involved if/when the People go against the Government. Plus, I highly doubt the Government would want the bad publicity of Nuking, or Bombing The People. Then EVERYONE would go against them

Can't really compare it with nazi germany since it was long ago but compare it to contries like spain, italy, romania...etc where you can't buy a gun so esily, there aren't mass shootings like in america. I feel you, needing guns to defend yourself and all that but as another user said, average people don't have guns like military or police do so it would not go well for the average joe.

that last statement you said, why do you need guns if the government wouldn't want bad publicity by killing people? This means that the 2nd amendment is innecesary nowadays

Smoker1 · May 31, 2023

zekro94 said:
Can't really compare it with nazi germany since it was long ago but compare it to contries like spain, italy, romania...etc where you can't buy a gun so esily, there aren't mass shootings like in america. I feel you, needing guns to defend yourself and all that but as another user said, average people don't have guns like military or police do so it would not go well for the average joe.

that last statement you said, why do you need guns if the government wouldn't want bad publicity by killing people? This means that the 2nd amendment is innecesary nowadays

Yes, but saying they are going to Forcibly take your Weapons just for the acts of a few???? How is that right???

zekro94 · May 31, 2023

Smoker1 said:
Yes, but saying they are going to Forcibly take your Weapons just for the acts of a few???? How is that right???

Because a few now can become many more later, like I said, anyone can go bananas if their life is a mess, so no easy access to guns=fewer shootings (you can't get it to 0 since there will always be criminals)

Smoker1 · May 31, 2023

zekro94 said:
Because a few now can become many more later, like I said, anyone can go bananas if their life is a mess, so no easy access to guns=fewer shootings (you can't get it to 0 since there will always be criminals)

By that Logic, even Police should not have Firearms, since they can go crazy as well. Might as well get rid of the Internet, since that could stop Piracy of Movies, Music, Games, you name it. Would also prevent Classified Documents being Leaked. But ok, what about Religion, since you hear so much about Priest going after Children, yet Far Right want to force Religion on People. Plus, more Killings have been done in the name of an Invisible being that anything else. So yeah, should get rid of that as well.

JFizDaWiz · May 31, 2023

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zekro94 · May 31, 2023

Smoker1 said:
By that Logic, even Police should not have Firearms, since they can go crazy as well. Might as well get rid of the Internet, since that could stop Piracy of Movies, Music, Games, you name it. Would also prevent Classified Documents being Leaked. But ok, what about Religion, since you hear so much about Priest going after Children, yet Far Right want to force Religion on People. Plus, more Killings have been done in the name of an Invisible being that anything else. So yeah, should get rid of that as well.

Fair enough, police can and went crazy with guns so I'll give you that but I think we should remove religion entirely, it was always a tool to control people and to make them obey the laws. Religion serves no purpose nowadays, everyone tries to force it and it gets annoying.

CMDreamer · May 31, 2023

As long as weapon protection laws are more important (for law enforcers) than people protection laws, nothing's going to change a bit to enhance the quality of living on the U.S.A.

U.S.A. has a very huge business: Weapons. Period.

Smoker1 · Jun 1, 2023

@JFizDaWiz - Because you know Trump Supporters and big time 2nd Amendment Supporters will not like that, along with that line, Come get them, especially in the South.

Religion has always held back Progress. Apparently back in the Day, the Bible was 11 Volumes in Size. Notice how it got downsized. Then you got the King James Bible. It is named that because he removed what he did not like, and kept what he did want. 1st Amendment says "Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise", yet there are so many wanting to push and force Religion. In Court, in Government, Military, you name it.

_47iscool · Jun 1, 2023

England got rid of them. And it is one of the most crime-ridden places in the world.

Its all about disarming the average citizen. Criminals will find them one way or another.

Smoker1 · Jun 1, 2023

_47iscool said:
England got rid of them. And it is one of the most crime-ridden places in the world.

Its all about disarming the average citizen. Criminals will find them one way or another.

Not to mention, they are dealing with Mass Stabbings, according to a News Report from over there. Plus someone could easily use a Vehicle to mow down People as well. They will just find other ways to hurt People.

End_eR · Jun 1, 2023

_47iscool said:
England got rid of them. And it is one of the most crime-ridden places in the world.

Its all about disarming the average citizen. Criminals will find them one way or another.

I think that's less to do with an absence of guns and more to do with the fact that England sucks.

_47iscool · Jun 1, 2023

Smoker1 said:
Not to mention, they are dealing with Mass Stabbings, according to a News Report from over there. Plus someone could easily use a Vehicle to mow down People as well. They will just find other ways to hurt People.

Mass stabbings is not the only thing.

Hanafuda · Jun 1, 2023

JFizDaWiz said:
That's some straight bullshit, why is this the only amendment to use this language?

Your question answers itself. They meant it.

tabzer · Jun 1, 2023

I watched a movie. Nobody could prove that it wasn't real to me. So that movie became the lense of how I saw reality.

Hasn't America only become more rigid about gun laws over time, and violence increase? I keep hearing about Chicago being a pretty big source of "mass shootings" statistics, yet I am to believe it is a "gun free zone"?

If an anti-gun person committed suicide with a gun, would that validate their position in life? In America, I think some people are already crazy enough to think so. So now it's not a gun debate. It's a suicide debate.

Should America be allowed to suicide itself?

Smoker1 · Jun 1, 2023

Hanafuda said:
Your question answers itself. They meant it.

Because, at the time after the Revolutionary War, those from England thought they could control us. Wanted us to Pay them Taxes, bend to their Will. Also, wanted us to turn over our Weapons, that they would Protect us, under England's Rule. We wanted to determine our Future. So we fought and won against them. They put the 2nd Amendment in place, so The People could not only Protect and Defend themselves, but also fight against Oppression, and Tyrannical Threats, either Foreign or Domestic. That 1 Freedom, keeps our other Freedoms secure

Xzi · Jun 1, 2023

Hanafuda said:
Your question answers itself. They meant it.

They were short-sighted in not realizing guns would grow to have more protections than human life in America. Then again, I guess that sort of mental illness is hard to imagine if you've never experienced it first-hand before.

Smoker1 · Jun 1, 2023

Xzi said:
They were short-sighted in not realizing guns would grow to have more protections than human life in America. Then again, I guess that sort of mental illness is hard to imagine if you've never experienced it first-hand before.

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