Nintendo issues rebootless update for firmware 16.0.3

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An incredibly minor update was sent out to Nintendo Switch systems in the form of a rebootless update for firmware 16.0.3. The exciting content within this slight patch is just a simple change to Nintendo's bad words list, including some removals. For players in Japan, "adhd" is no longer marked as a bad word. Atmosphere and all homebrew should continue to function, and the current firmware version number remains unchanged.

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Sure thing. I guess you speak to your doctor in a sexual context. More power to ya. lmao.
lol, yes, i totally do
I do talk to HIM about sexual stuff. Do I have any sexual attraction toward him? no. Do I feel any sexual excitement when I talk to him about it? Totally not!
But when you talk about your dick, no matter the context, you talk about sexual stuff, because your dick IS sexual stuff
 

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ADHD and Asperger's are used as slurs in Japan according to what I read when they added the work in 16.0.2. I suppose a lot of people got also barred of talking about ADHD properly.
At what place with you switch do people talk properly about adhd?
Its not like there is a general chatroom or anything, is there?
 

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Not sure if people are aware but ADHD doesn't exist in Japan.

That doesn't mean there aren't people who fit the criteria but it isn't an official diagnosis in any capacity and their draconic anti-drug laws make America's war on drugs fucking blush.

You need to see a doctor to even get any sort of cold medicine as well as antihistamines for seasonal allergies. It isn't like a family doctor thing tho-- most pharmacies have a couple back rooms where a doctor/pharmacist evaluates you and asks a few basic questions before allowing you to purchase medication but they are incredibly stingy. Even certain NSAIDs require perscriptions so it isn't uncommon for people who immigrate there for work to write home and ask family/friends to mail them some cold meds, antihistamies or pain killers for pms.

Antidepressants, antianxiety, antipsychotics, stimulants and other medications that can influence one's mental state including gravol(dramamine) and benadryl(diphenhydramine) are heavily restricted and in many cases can be outright illegal to possess.

So yeah, "ADHD" being considered a slur is a result of this.
 

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At what place with you switch do people talk properly about adhd?
Its not like there is a general chatroom or anything, is there?
Dunno. Doesn't have to be a group chat for restrictions to apply, can be 1:1. What games though, no clue, I don't play Switch online.

Not sure if people are aware but ADHD doesn't exist in Japan.

That doesn't mean there aren't people who fit the criteria but it isn't an official diagnosis in any capacity and their draconic anti-drug laws make America's war on drugs fucking blush.
Ahm... Also. And...
Drugs may be restricted but diagnosis seems to be pretty much a thing.

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Dunno. Doesn't have to be a group chat for restrictions to apply, can be 1:1. What games though, no clue, I don't play Switch online.


Ahm... Also. And...
Drugs may be restricted but diagnosis seems to be pretty much a thing.

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wat
your own links conflict with themselves information-wise and are applied from a foreigner point of view.
good lord.
 

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wat
your own links conflict with themselves information-wise and are applied from a foreigner point of view.
good lord.
How do they conflict with themselves exactly? All of them have as basis ADHD diagnosis.

The first one is a paper written by 5 researchers from Tokyo, the second is a page from a psychiatry health center that operates in Tokyo and Okinawa and the last one is another paper witten by several Japanese researchers. How is any of this applied from a foreigner point of view?
 

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An incredibly minor update was sent out to Nintendo Switch systems in the form of a rebootless update for firmware 16.0.3. The exciting content within this slight patch is just a simple change to Nintendo's bad words list, including some removals. For players in Japan, "adhd" is no longer marked as a bad word. Atmosphere and all homebrew should continue to function, and the current firmware version number remains unchanged.

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great day for me with adhd, i guess.
 

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You should really try to visit Japan before adopting bullshit opinions that you found on the internet. First, ADHD and* Asperger's aren't "slurs", and the infrastructure of school systems and public facilities are very accommodating to the disabled.
Here's an article referencing it. Here's a sociological study on it. Here's a Japanse magazine chronicle refferencing stigma and lack of diagnose in early years. Maybe stop fetichizing Japan and recognize it also has its problems?
 
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Here's an article referencing it. Here's a sociological study on it. Here's a Japanse magazine chronicle on it. Maybe stop fetichizing Japan and recognize it also has its problems?

Nintendo censoring words doesn't make them "slurs". Even if Nintendo claimed that ADHD is a disgrace or a bad word (they didn't btw), Nintendo is not Japan's government, nor is it any kind of social institution. Most Japanese people are not Nintendo affiliates. It's not Nintendo-land over here. We do have that though. It's also a theme park, and Mario is not a real doctor (spoiler). Sorry, it's just really funny that you consider Nintendo an authority. All of those DMCA takedowns are probably brainwashing you.

Despite the misinformation present on this thread, I can confirm that ADHD is an actual diagnosis (can't believe it needs to be said) and that people here typically don't go around punching down on people because they are disabled. I am not "fetichizing" (sic) Japan. Living in Japan, I can literally touch your ignorance.
 
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Nintendo censoring words doesn't make them "slurs". Even if Nintendo claimed that ADHD is a disgrace or a bad word (they didn't btw), Nintendo is not Japan's government, nor is it any kind of social institution. Most Japanese people are not Nintendo affiliates. It's not Nintendo-land over here. We do have that though. It's also a theme park, and Mario is not a real doctor (spoiler). Sorry, it's just really funny that you consider Nintendo an authority. All of those DMCA takedowns are probably brainwashing you.
What are you talking about? Nintendo doesn't own exputer, nor Johns Hopkins University nor grape. And everything I linked is published pre-Nintendo update.

I am not "fetichizing" (sic) Japan. Living in Japan, I can literally touch your ignorance.
You can fetichize and live in Japan, why would that be mutually exclusive? You seem to be doing both. Ignorance is literally being presented with an academic study and replying with "I don't see it so it doesn't exist".
 

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What are you talking about? Nintendo doesn't own exputer, nor Johns Hopkins University nor grape. And everything I linked is published pre-Nintendo update.

I was talking about using an article about a Nintendo update as some sort of refutation of my claim. None of the articles you present do so, but the inclusion of an article about a Nintendo update is hilarious to me. How does it support the claim that "ADHD is a slur" in Japan? The other articles support my claim that it isn't. How do you think you are refuting me?

You can fetichize and live in Japan, why would that be mutually exclusive? You seem to be doing both. Ignorance is literally being presented with an academic study and replying with "I don't see it so it doesn't exist".

I didn't claim they are mutually exclusive.

"You should really try to visit Japan before adopting bullshit opinions that you found on the internet. First, ADHD and* Asperger's aren't "slurs", and the infrastructure of school systems and public facilities are very accommodating to the disabled."

Not only is it an accurate statement, there is also nothing remotely fetishizing about that. Sexualizing me in response to something you don't like reading isn't very creative. I don't know why you dislike hearing positive things about Japan or Japanese people.
 
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I was talking about using an article about a Nintendo update as some sort of refutation of my claim. None of the articles you present do so, but the inclusion of an article about a Nintendo update is hilarious to me.

The inclusion of the article about Nintendo is to show where I first read and that it was not "some opinion in teh internet", put a proper news article.

Them, from the academic article:
Medicalized understandings of the origins of ADHD symptoms do not seem to have removed the stigma associated with the diagnosis. These differences in the medicalization of ADHD in Japan are particularly notable in the context of the country’s notoriously competitive, exam-based ADHD in Japan educational system and high levels of anxiety surrounding child and adolescent behavioral issues.
The Stigma Associated with ADHD
The Japanese public had little exposure to media stories about ADHD until the late 1990s. Then, in 1997, a troubled 14-year-old boy kidnapped, murdered, and decapitated an 11-year-old child in Kobe, leaving the victim’s head by the gate of his elementary school. The gruesomeness and inexplicability of the crime, the young age of the victim and the murderer, and the relative rarity of violent crime in Japan brought immediate national attention to the case. The murderer’s bizarre, taunting interactions with police, later revelations that the boy had eluded capture for a previous murder of a 10-year-old girl, and his controversial trial and subsequent release in 2004 extended media coverage of the crime for years (fig. 13.1). The media soon discovered that the accused murderer had been diagnosed with ADHD; the publication of his diagnosis coincided with and contributed to the first period of sustained popular attention to ADHD in Japan (Teruyama 2014). Thus, some of the earliest mentions of ADD/ADHD in Japanese newspapers occurred in reference to one of the most grotesque crimes of the decade. Hattatsu shogai—though not specifically ADHD—continued to be associated with violence and criminal deviance in media discourse into the 2000s.
An analysis of mentions of ADHD in two prominent national newspapers reveals that before 1997 there was almost no popular press attention to ADHD or its predecessor diagnoses. Before 1997, at most 1 article per year mentioned attention deficit or hyperactivity disorders. In 1997 and 1998, a total of 6 and 9 articles, respectively, mentioned these disorders in the wake of the Kobe murders. By 2000, a total of 50 articles mentioned one of the terms, and in 2001, a total of 107 articles mentioned one of the terms. From a sociological perspective, the timing and context of the rise of ADHD in Japan is meaningful because it suggests that the disorder has been associated with deviance from its very introduction to public discourse. Even as public understanding of ADHD and other hattatsu shogai has evolved and these conditions have become increasingly medicalized, this group of disorders remains popularly associated with social maladjustment and crime (Tamekawa et al. 2014; Teruyama 2014). As elsewhere, researchers in Japan have noted associations between juvenile crime and ADHD symptom severity (e.g., Matsuura, Hashimoto, and Toichi 2010).
Not only has ADHD itself been associated with deviance in Japan, but ADHD medications that are common elsewhere have negative associations specific to the Japanese context.
Conclusion
Stigma—both stigma attached to the ADHD diagnosis among the general public and stigma associated with amphetamine-type stimulants—has shaped the course of ADHD in Japan in important ways. First, associations of ADHD
with social deviance influence the illness experiences of children and help-seeking behavior of parents. The perception that the illness identity associated with ADHD may be a “spoiled” one (Goffman 1963) may contribute to a delay between symptom recognition and seeking medical help and suggests that ADHD’s route “from badness to sickness” through medicalization has been neither straight nor smooth (Conrad and Schneider 2010 [1992]). As ADHD and other hattatsu shogai are increasingly integrated into disability rights discourses in Japan, the association of ADHD with deviance is beginning to fade—but concerns about negative social associations remain relevant.


I didn't claim they are mutually exclusive.

"You should really try to visit Japan before adopting bullshit opinions that you found on the internet.
I am presenting you with an academic analysis, you are responding to that with your anecdotal evidence.
 
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The inclusion of the article about Nintendo is to show where I first read and that it was not "some opinion in teh internet", put a proper news article.

Them, from the academic article:







I am presenting you with an academic analysis, you are responding to that with your anecdotal evidence.
So when are you going to present something that contradicts what I said?

Again, ADHD and Asperger's are not "slurs". Start with refuting that and we can work our way into the nuances of how people generally don't want to have mental disorders, and how mental disorders can lead to crime, especially if untreated. We can talk about Japanese pride and how that compounds the issue.

If you want to refute the claim that the infrastructure of school systems and public facilities are very accommodating to the disabled, go ahead. Maybe give an example of a country with the what you'd call standard accommodation and make a comparison. If you want to argue that resistance in adopting pill-popping culture is a bad thing, I'm also game.

"As ADHD and other hattatsu shogai are increasingly integrated into disability rights discourses in Japan, the association of ADHD with deviance is beginning to fade—but concerns about negative social associations remain relevant."

That sounds about right. Negative social associations with mental disorders is a redundancy found in every culture, and Japan takes a proactive approach in understanding and caring for those with mental disorders. This flies in the face of the barbaric claims made on the first page.
 
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