PlayStation Showcase 2023 - roundup - PlayStation streaming handheld announced

Bladexdsl · May 25, 2023

pretty much nothing of interest there for me

subcon959 · May 25, 2023

I use my Steam Deck for this already, but if I didn't have that I would probably be interested for the right price.

MikaDubbz said:
I hope the Q can be used for optional 2 screen experiences like the Wii U. It's honestly not a bad feature for the right games and right implementation.

I doubt it's going to be anything more than a way to stream already installed games to another room in the house.

K3Nv2 · May 25, 2023

Axido · May 25, 2023

Let me get this straight... They basically sawed a Dualsense controller in half and glued it to a screen. To be honest, it looks horrible. Who in the world thought this was what anyone would want? They didn't specify what HD resolution it has, which could very well be as low as 720p, even though I doubt they'd be that cheap. And as others pointed out already, it doesn't do anything your phone cannot already do. Unless they give it more horsepower and decent game support, I can see this flopping more than PSTV did.

subcon959 · May 25, 2023

Axido said:
Let me get this straight... They basically sawed a Dualsense controller in half and glued it to a screen. To be honest, it looks horrible. Who in the world thought this was what anyone would want? They didn't specify what HD resolution it has, which could very well be as low as 720p, even though I doubt they'd be that cheap. And as others pointed out already, it doesn't do anything your phone cannot already do. Unless they give it more horsepower and decent game support, I can see this flopping more than PSTV did.

I think too many people are over-thinking this. Everyone already had their own headphones too but that didn't stop Sony releasing a PS5 specific (overpriced) headset. I doubt the remote player will be any different. It's just an accessory.

MikaDubbz · May 25, 2023

THEELEMENTKH said:
Doesn't the constant need of an internet connection defeat the purpose of being portable?

Well keep in mind, we all have modern smartphones these days with unlimited data that can be turned into wifi hotspots. Connect the Q to that and you should be able to remote play anywhere you get a mobile connection which absolutely grants a huge range of portability, so long as your PS5 is connected to the wifi back at home. At least that's how you could even do streaming with the PS4 and I believe even the PS3 with a Vita (though mobile connections were slower and we had limited mobile data per month from our mobile providers for much of that time).

That's not me saying the Q is a great idea, but I do believe it will have more functionality than to only be tethered to the same wifi connection.

ChronosNotashi · May 26, 2023

MikaDubbz said:
Well keep in mind, we all have modern smartphones these days with unlimited data that can be turned into wifi hotspots. Connect the Q to that and you should be able to remote play anywhere you get a mobile connection which absolutely grants a huge range of portability, so long as your PS5 is connected to the wifi back at home. At least that's how you could even do streaming with the PS4 and I believe even the PS3 with a Vita (though mobile connections were slower and we had limited mobile data per month from our mobile providers for much of that time).

That's not me saying the Q is a great idea, but I do believe it will have more functionality than to only be tethered to the same wifi connection.

Of course, this is all assuming that it's even intended to be taken outside of the house. From my perspective, the thing looks flimsier than your average Nintendo Switch. Part of me is...honestly hoping that they provide a sturdy carrying case with the Q (or at the very least provide official options to buy one separately), because if not, that would certainly prove intent for it to stay at home, which would ultimately defeat one of the primary draws of a handheld gaming device.

Amin_Parker · May 26, 2023

LinkmstrYT said:
Pretty mid. Then again, this is only a showcase and not a "State of Play".

I also laughed at the Project Q reveal when Jim Ryan said "At PlayStation, innovation is our passion." Literally a Wii U gamepad.

The famous quote from Oscar Wilde,

“imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”

Can you really blame them for following in the footsteps set before them. Especially when its a fantastic idea.

Hyatt · May 26, 2023

The last handheld I had was the PS Vita. Played 10-15 games but was nothing special. I was frustrated when some of the games came to PS3. Would have liked to play it on a big screen the first time.

AlexMCS · May 26, 2023

MikaDubbz said:
we all have modern smartphones these days with unlimited data

And huge latency, 5G or not, that defeats the whole purpose!
Cloud gaming sucks for a reason. Your idea is basically cloud gaming without a dedicated network infrastructure.

Even when at home, I only bothered with PS4->Vita remote play for turn based games, since there are some genres which can never work, with our current tech, in a high latency scenario and/or significant jitter.

"High latency" here can be as low as 17ms, for select action/fighting games. 10ms jitter would also be a lot even with 5ms latency, for the same games.

That said, what a terrible idea, Sony.
Not that I expect Sony/M$ to ever be relevant again on the hardware front.

Nintendo is, alone, carrying the last spark of gaming hardware innovation.

K3Nv2 · May 26, 2023

AlexMCS said:
And huge latency, 5G or not, that defeats the whole purpose!
Cloud gaming sucks for a reason. Your idea is basically cloud gaming without a dedicated network infrastructure.

Even when at home, I only bothered with PS4->Vita remote play for turn based games, since there are some genres which can never work, with our current tech, in a high latency scenario and/or significant jitter.

"High latency" here can be as low as 17ms, for select action/fighting games. 10ms jitter would also be a lot even with 5ms latency, for the same games.

That said, what a terrible idea, Sony.
Not that I expect Sony/M$ to ever be relevant again on the hardware front.

Nintendo is, alone, carrying the last spark of gaming hardware innovation.

Six year old hardware is innovation? Times are sad.

NyaakoXD · May 26, 2023

Amin_Parker said:
The famous quote from Oscar Wilde,

“imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”

Can you really blame them for following in the footsteps set before them. Especially when its a fantastic idea.

So that's what Jim meant to say.
"At PlayStation, imitation is our passion."

ChronosNotashi · May 26, 2023

AlexMCS said:
Nintendo is, alone, carrying the last spark of gaming hardware innovation.

To be fair, Valve has also been working to try to innovate gaming hardware where possible (part of that due to being the market leader of PC Gaming, meaning they can take such kinds of risks without going bankrupt). While they haven't always been successful, it's neat to see Valve trying to push the boundaries of what PC gaming/VR are capable of (and even working to make Linux a viable PC gaming option should MS essentially go rogue).

That being said, as far as console gaming, Nintendo definitely seems to be the only company even willing to push new ideas/gimmicks, while Sony/MS seem content with sticking to their usual guns and only doing something different if someone else brings something that's successful enough to attempt to imitate for "easy" money.

MikaDubbz · May 26, 2023

AlexMCS said:
And huge latency, 5G or not, that defeats the whole purpose!
Cloud gaming sucks for a reason. Your idea is basically cloud gaming without a dedicated network infrastructure.

Even when at home, I only bothered with PS4->Vita remote play for turn based games, since there are some genres which can never work, with our current tech, in a high latency scenario and/or significant jitter.

"High latency" here can be as low as 17ms, for select action/fighting games. 10ms jitter would also be a lot even with 5ms latency, for the same games.

That said, what a terrible idea, Sony.
Not that I expect Sony/M$ to ever be relevant again on the hardware front.

Nintendo is, alone, carrying the last spark of gaming hardware innovation.

Does it? I mean I've been able to use a mobile hotspot and dominate in Splatoon on the go. Plus mobile speeds will only get better as the years move forward. I'm sure people that care about every single frame is not the target market with a device like this (or any form of cloud gaming really), it's the more casual players that will be interested in this kind of thing.

AlexMCS · May 27, 2023

MikaDubbz said:
Does it? I mean I've been able to use a mobile hotspot and dominate in Splatoon on the go. Plus mobile speeds will only get better as the years move forward. I'm sure people that care about every single frame is not the target market with a device like this (or any form of cloud gaming really), it's the more casual players that will be interested in this kind of thing.

Yeah, for games not so sensitive to latency, it's definitely doable.
Any game that requires 1-4 frame input precision will fizzle for this.

And worse than latency is jitter. If your average latency, point-to-point is tolerable, but the jitter is too high, it won't work.
Unlike movies/music, which can be buffered, multiplayer games can't, and single player games require a lot of processing to account for every input variation.

The case for consistently good game streaming is relegated to single player games that aren't latency/jitter-sensitive, or multiplayer games with high latency thresholds, like MMOs and the like.

At least with our current tech.

MikaDubbz · May 27, 2023

AlexMCS said:
Yeah, for games not so sensitive to latency, it's definitely doable.
Any game that requires 1-4 frame input precision will fizzle for this.

And worse than latency is jitter. If your average latency, point-to-point is tolerable, but the jitter is too high, it won't work.
Unlike movies/music, which can be buffered, multiplayer games can't, and single player games require a lot of processing to account for every input variation.

The case for consistently good game streaming is relegated to single player games that aren't latency/jitter-sensitive, or multiplayer games with high latency thresholds, like MMOs and the like.

At least with our current tech.

Yeah it's a fine solution for single player experiences on the go I would think. And as time goes on and our mobile connections and hotspots improve it could become more viable for online multiplayer in time. In theory, it's a future-proof design that will only get better in time as our connection speeds continue to improve, so long as we continue to connect to the internet through wifi.

Still not for me mind you, in fact I'd be more interested if this device can be used as second screen for asymmetrical gaming experiences like the Wii U, than I would be interested in it just for remote play.

Bladexdsl · May 28, 2023

AlexMCS said:
Nintendo is, alone, carrying the last spark of gaming hardware innovation.

you call a dated tablet with the worst cheapest controllers ever made innovation instead of making an actual proper console?! :rofl2:

etuev · May 28, 2023

Sword of the Sea looked awesome can't wait to play that, hopefully I like it.

AlexMCS · May 28, 2023

Bladexdsl said:
you call a dated tablet with the worst cheapest controllers ever made innovation instead of making an actual proper console?!

Tell me how the others did something better, hardware wise?

They just got more raw power.

The "old tablet" with hybrid capabilities was by far the most innovative idea when it comes to console hardware.

Just like the motion controllers of Wii and the Wii U tablet controller.

M$ even tried with the Kinect.

Sony added a touchpad to its controller.

Can you say those are better than Nintendo's?

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