[UPDATE] Dolphin's release on Steam indefinitely delayed after Nintendo sends cease & desist order to Valve

smf · May 28, 2023

SubstituteCS said:
Dolphin just needs to remove the keys and everything will be fine. Nintendo hasn't even sent the project a C&D yet.

Even bring-your-own-keys would be an issue, especially if you told people how to get the keys.

The only clear way to ship dolphin legally, is if you can keep it an absolute secret that it plays Wii games. So that nobody knows at all, not even a "hey, this is a secret but"

linuxares · May 28, 2023

smf said:
Even bring-your-own-keys would be an issue, especially if you told people how to get the keys.

The only clear way to ship dolphin legally, is if you can keep it an absolute secret that it plays Wii games. So that nobody knows at all, not even a "hey, this is a secret but"

The cats out of the bag since a while ago

gaga941021 · May 28, 2023

Hassal said:
Read what I said again. Nintendo isn't okay with emulation. Valve could have said RetroArch the answer would have been the same to take down any Nintendo emulators.

You don't get it...

NinStar · May 28, 2023

gaga941021 said:
You don't get it...

He is not wrong, Nintendo would say no regardless if it was legal or illegal, the only difference this time is that Nintendo has a valid reason from a legal standpoint to do what they are doing, but I highly doubt someone at Valve went to the source code and found the common key out of nowhere, because if that was the case they would have rejected the emulator right away (at least that what anyone would expect), so I don't think that was the reason they contacted Nintendo.

stanleyopar2000 · May 28, 2023

Dolphin needs to let this go, or else we’ll have ANOTHER long standing precedent overturned once again with Sony Vs Bleem

subcon959 · May 28, 2023

NinStar said:
I don't think that was the reason they contacted Nintendo.

They probably contacted Nintendo because they want to keep selling Portal Companion Collection on Switch eshop.

Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcv · May 28, 2023

Kinda funny to see the brain dead reactions here... The thing is legally this is one of the few things where Nintendo actually has a leg to stand on even morally to some degree.

I think the law should be changed to where such keys can't be protected, but that's not the current law, and really it does not get meaningfully in the way of emulation. Yet dumping keys yourself is a bit of a pain, but let's be real downloading them is easy.

Let's remember that essentially every other emulator already does not include the keys, and that honestly it's very weird Dolphin does not follow this precedence.

And of all the anti-emulator things Nintendo has done, this is IMO clearly not one of them. Remember those included keys (included since 3.0!!) could easily be used to actually go after Dolphin, not just prevent a Steam Store page as long as the offending keys are not removed.

So this action is not (yet) anti-emulator. Especially considering that in all honesty if Dolphin removes the offending keys, which should never have been included, and should have been user provided as with every other emulator, it should be allowed on Steam just fine.

chrisrlink · May 28, 2023

SubstituteCS said:
This has nothing to do with hardware QA.

The Xbox 360 was defeated even more simply by utilizing a JTAG port that was still enabled.

Nintendo did actually implement good security for the time. It's just completely broken nearly 20 years later.

If you want an example of a system that didn't even try, take a look at the Sega Dreamcast.

no sega tried but forgot to remove the micd or w/e it's called in the US/EU version their security was good heck they made special CDs which fit an entire gig on a CD
if you want a true example I believe the 3DO is better fit as it employed 0 Protection you could burn a 3do game slap it in and play

Maximo101 · May 28, 2023

Got to give the lawyers for Dimtendo something to do to earn their blodmoney...

Cystra · May 28, 2023

relauby said:

Jayro said:
Nice over-reach, Nintendo.
I can hardly wait for your fingers to get slammed in the piano.

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They won't give us a good paper mario game but they will go after emulation devs smh

smf · May 28, 2023

stanleyopar2000 said:
Dolphin needs to let this go, or else we’ll have ANOTHER long standing precedent overturned once again with Sony Vs Bleem

DeCSS already did that. Sony Vs Bleem was a very specific circumstance that doesn't exist anymore. People need to stop blindly saying that emulators are legal.

If you have a gun license then guns are legal too, but that isn't a defense if you break another law using a gun.

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chrisrlink said:
no sega tried but forgot to remove the micd or w/e it's called in the US/EU version their security was good heck they made special CDs which fit an entire gig on a CD
if you want a true example I believe the 3DO is better fit as it employed 0 Protection you could burn a 3do game slap it in and play

They didn't forget to remove MilCD, they purposefully supported it.

What they weren't counting on was that someone would figure out how to dump gdroms, pack them down to fit on a CD & then run them.

3DO's copy protection was that burners and media were really expensive. Philips CDi, Commodore CDTV and CD32 went the same way.

pokota · May 28, 2023

sounds like we're going to have to learn to dump our own Gamecube and Wii firmwares like how we have to do for GBA/PSx

HarveyHouston · May 28, 2023

sarkwalvein said:
<joke removed>

PS: thinking again about it, better I remove the joke... I don't want it to be the source of stupid behavior and harassment or something.

???

Kioku · May 28, 2023

pokota said:
sounds like we're going to have to learn to dump our own Gamecube and Wii firmwares like how we have to do for GBA/PSx

Just Wii.. GC doesn’t rely on those keys afaik..

sarkwalvein · May 28, 2023

HarveyHouston said:
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correct

PacBunnyXV07 · May 28, 2023

When prejudice hypocrites give Nintendo shit, no wonder the world is a messed up place...

Pickle_Rick · May 28, 2023

peteruk said:
Just thinking out loud here (to those who don't really know me I have a very active imagination), with that said if Nintendo did decide to sue the Dolphin creators I wonder if we'd see the public re-emergence of anonymous.

Now if you think back to 2011 when Sony went after Geohot and Graf_Chokolo we saw anonymous go after Sony with all kinds of threats

A reminder (for context)..

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I'm sure they're probably keeping an eye on things (as always)

OG Anonymous have all retired or got arrested. The group doesn't exist anymore. The ones you see on Twitter are LARPers.

Xzi · May 28, 2023

smf said:
Sony Vs Bleem was a very specific circumstance that doesn't exist anymore. People need to stop blindly saying that emulators are legal.

The precedent still very much stands, which is why Nintendo has been unable to go after emulators on Steam that are entirely original code. What we need now is to establish the precedent that copyrights for cryptographic keys are null and void if they aren't secured to a minimum baseline standard. The fact that seemingly random strings of numbers and letters like these can be copyrighted at all is a failure of the system as far as I'm concerned.

Justinde75 · May 28, 2023

I don't know why they even bother releasing it on steam honestly. Only causes things like these to happen so just stick to the normal way

Xzi · May 28, 2023

abramovgerman said:
The delay of Dolphin's release on Steam due to a cease and desist order from Nintendo is unfortunate. It highlights the challenges faced by developers in navigating legal issues surrounding intellectual property rights. This incident underscores the importance of balancing innovation and respecting copyright protections in the gaming industry.

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