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Controversial trans athlete wins women's NYC cycling race

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Equating tans status to race is disrespectful. How one personally interprets their own sexuality and gender does not make them a minority. Nor does it oblige others to agree with one's reasoning and conclusions.

Gender is a social construct, like language is, created to communicate someone's sex and therefore physical predisposition within the context of society. I personally don't see the advantage of rebelling against the colloquialism, or outright rejecting it, especially when one wants to promote acceptance. It may be outdated to perceive things through the binary filter, but outright rejecting the past undermines the thing that gave you existence.

As gender is a social construct, transgenderism is a behavior--not an inherited physical trait for which someone has no control over.
In all fairness, so is race, if we look at genetics alone. We’re all the same species, and genetic variability between two people of the same race is no different (or often times greater than) the variability between two people of different races. We just agree to classify sets of physical traits as racial categories (primarily the colour of one’s skin). That’s not to say that race is not important, it can be a useful indicator in medicine (different races are more or less predisposed to different health conditions), but it is socially constructed for the most part.
 
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Why is this site allowing transphobia?


Why is this site tolerating delusion?

See, it works both ways. Your opinion isn't the only one.

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Well you had transphobic posts yourself and you continue to be by saying 'pretend' and also implying that trans women are not 'real' women. You're not just ignorant about research and personal matters but inconsiderate when it comes to trans issues ....

Ok, without concerning the matter of etiquette or being considerate which I get (humans deserve common courtesy unless their behavior rejects it), you mentioned "research." Please post for us a peer-reviewed medical study that validates that a trans woman is a real woman (or vice versa). If such has been proven, it would be news to me so I'd be very interested to see that. Everything I've seen so far says "suggests" or "could indicate" or "inconclusive."
 
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Why is this site tolerating delusion?

See, it works both ways. Your opinion isn't the only one.

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Ok, without concerning the matter of etiquette or being considerate which I get (humans deserve common courtesy unless their behavior rejects it), you mentioned "research." Please post for us a peer-reviewed medical study that validates that a trans woman is a real woman (or vice versa). If such has been proven, it would be news to me so I'd be very interested to see that. Everything I've seen so far says "suggests" or "could indicate" or "inconclusive."
Well, everything depends on your definition, doesn’t in? The term woman (traditionally associated with an adult female human) through the lens of gender theory refers to a social role - it’s part mode of dress, part behaviour and part social expectations. If we accept gender as a social construct then I suppose anyone can be a woman if they so choose - just dress up like one, act like one and function in society as one. That’s kind of a problem - it becomes a choice. At that point you hit the question of what is a “real” woman - if woman is exclusively a social construct and a made-up category then a real woman is a woman that we as a society accept.

The problem with the current gender theory movement is that it’s indecisive. Activists can’t make their mind up on whether being trans is biological or whether it’s an overwhelming compulsion. If gender is a social construct then it’s necessarily a choice (be it deliberate or simply due to a strong desire) since the category itself is made up and exists because we agree that it does. If it is biological then it is inextricably connected with sex, since that’s the primary biological component of interest.

If it’s *both* then gender and sex are synonymous and the whole argument is stupid. Up until 5 minutes ago everyone was relatively happy with men being male and women being female, with a gradation in-between that accounted for “effeminate men” and “butch women”, no offense intended, it’s just the terms that were common.

None of this accounts for people who are intersex since they have genuine medical conditions, and even they represent less than a fraction of society, not to mention that they’re not indicative of general human biology in the same way as people who are born with an abnormal amount of fingers aren’t. Again, not disparaging anyone who is intersex - it’s a very unfortunate condition.

Overall, the current state of affairs is “messy” at best.
 
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In all fairness, so is race, if we look at genetics alone. We’re all the same species, and genetic variability between two people of the same race is no different (or often times greater than) the variability between two people of different races. We just agree to classify sets of physical traits as racial categories (primarily the colour of one’s skin). That’s not to say that race is not important, it can be a useful indicator in medicine (different races are more or less predisposed to different health conditions), but it is socially constructed for the most part.
Hypothetically, you could change your race if you get a bunch of noisy people saying that you can.
 
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The war on women continues; men are going into women's sports to beat them. This whole stupidity is out of control and is time for women to stand up to this nonsense and push back with these people
 
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The war on women continues; men are going into women's sports to beat them. This whole stupidity is out of control and is time for women to stand up to this nonsense and push back with these people
Imagine there was prize money involved, you could just rock up, win, take the money and then spend it on man stuff.

Just wait until real women start entering the Drag Queen competitions (without the need to wear crazy wigs/makeup or act like a manchild twat). The screetching from the gays/trans types will be epic and they will still fail to see the irony or the hypocritical way in which some of them have been conducting themselves.
 
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Ya'll need to calm down, if you can't stop thinking about girl dick and bussy then you should reflect on why you're so fucking obsessed, do not go around spreading hate like a little bitch who can't handle their own anger, it's pathetic.
 

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Ya'll need to calm down, if you can't stop thinking about girl dick and bussy then you should reflect on why you're so fucking obsessed, do not go around spreading hate like a little bitch who can't handle their own anger, it's pathetic.

You said that this isn't like an episode of South Park, yet the powerlifting link and your attitude scream otherwise.
 

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There's a whole procedure trans women must follow to be able to compete with cis women, medical and hormonal stuff, they can't simply get in tournaments easily, if their weight and body mass idfk isn't leveled with other athletes they can't participate. It takes time, it does not happen like in that South Park episode. I know this is how far you get your information from, but that's not how you think it works.

Google up Avi Silverberg.

The Canadian Powerlifting Union's trans inclusion policy states: "Based on this background and available evidence, the Expert Working Group felt that trans athletes should be able to participate in the gender with which they identify, regardless of whether or not they have undergone hormone therapy."

So yes, it appears he got into the women's event rather easily by just saying he identifies as a female and that was the only bar he needed to clear.
 

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Google up Avi Silverberg.

The Canadian Powerlifting Union's trans inclusion policy states: "Based on this background and available evidence, the Expert Working Group felt that trans athletes should be able to participate in the gender with which they identify, regardless of whether or not they have undergone hormone therapy."

So yes, it appears he got into the women's event rather easily by just saying he identifies as a female and that was the only bar he needed to clear.
Anything is possible if you believe strong enough.
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Anything is possible if you believe strong enough.
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Especially in the imagination of Disney World's writers, and in the imagination some of the worlds most deluded people.

I always wanted to bang Courtney Cox when she was in her and 20-30-40's, I imagined it many a time during "soggy sock time", alas it was never to be - maybe I just didn't believe strongly enough.......or maybe I just live in the real world instead of the fantasy realm. One thing's for sure though - there's still more chance of me banging Courtney Cox than there is of a man becoming a woman.
 

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I don't know what drives someone to talk about how they used to jack off into a sock fantasizing about Courtney Cox to try to dunk on trans people.
 

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I don't know what drives someone to talk about how they used to jack off into a sock fantasizing about Courtney Cox to try to dunk on trans people.
That's just totally "normal" male heterosexuality asserting itself, and trying to enlighten the rest of us about how the world "really" works. Pretty sure there is some science behind it.
 

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That's just totally "normal" male heterosexuality asserting itself, and trying to enlighten the rest of us about how the world "really" works. Pretty sure there is some science behind it.
Or perhaps iI'm just saying that what goes on in your imagination and reality are two different things. The same as there's a mass difference between females and males and no matter how much you wish you were a real girl, if you're born a male you are NEVER going to be a female - no matter what the media or some other gaslighter tells you to the contrary.
 

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Or perhaps iI'm just saying that what goes on in your imagination and reality are two different things. The same as there's a mass difference between females and males and no matter how much you wish you were a real girl, if you're born a male you are NEVER going to be a female - no matter what the media or some other gaslighter tells you to the contrary.
Curious to know if you have actually talked with any transgender people or looked at any of the related scientific research? I have, and I know it is real in both personal and scientific terms. In reality, human sexuality is much more complex than a simple genetic or cultural binary. I'd suggest doing less posting and more proper research in order to develop an informed opinion on the matter.
 

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Sometimes, I am mildly amused that games I've worked on have 100% had people play them who are raging transphobes and didn't know they were relying on my code, specifically.
 

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Sometimes, I am mildly amused that games I've worked on have 100% had people play them who are raging transphobes and didn't know they were relying on my code, specifically.
Nobody cares about that, what we do care about is men pretending to be women invading women's spaces such as toilets/changing rooms/prisons and then ruining their sports. We also care about the drag queen shows being put on for children and these people that try to gaslight the youth and those that carry out irreversible treatments on them should be removed from the gene pool. If you want to wear a dress, lipstick and write code - crack on, nobody gives a crap, when you try to push your gender ideology on others though - you are overstepping the mark so expect someone to tell you something you don't want to hear.
 

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You should go do it. Go get a cash prize in any real sport by using your massively superior physique. Shouldn't be too much of a problem with the amount of testosterone the name "mrdude" would be trying to communicate. MMA would probably go well, right?
 
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