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Can non-whites have white privilege?

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I was wondering if people from non traditional-white backgrounds and culture can also exhibit white privilege?
Would that have a different name? Would it exhibit itself differently?

Does it have more to do with skin-color or with heritage? Do genetics matter at all?

Is this only something common in america or can it be found in other places as well?
 
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You are trying to find rationality in an inherently irrational concept that a few Americans made up despite knowing little of (or wilfully ignoring) history or how the world outside America works at best, and an outright grift at worst. Trying to explain to believers in this how Spanish in Europe are considered quite normal but Polish and eastern European (never mind East-West German and what goes there when that was more of a thing, seems less of one today than it was around the time the wall fell) would be looked at oddly is an uphill struggle every time I have tried, and the Gypsy/Roma/travellers thing is not even on the radar.

You then get some Americans "correct" for it as a modern day equivalent of flagellation* to try to expunge themselves of the sins of their ancestors. Sometimes I find it amusing to watch. Most non white Americans (Americans in the audience nobody outside recognises any real difference -- you can still hear the American coming 3 streets away and tell by any number of means, you are all just Americans**) look on at the stupidity and shake their head, some take avantage of the stupidity ( https://xkcd.com/670/ ).

*if it is not a term you are familiar with then then seeing the German flag I shall go with the medium of Rammstein music video

Skip to 1.35 or so. Those are flagellants doing flagellation (though more hardcore would do leather rather than rope).

**this applies to those that go there in case it is the reverse problem of anybody rich enough to go there is almost inherently going to be fairly put together -- in Europe the reverse exists and English abroad... see the term larger lout, and also Saga lout.
 

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I know flagellation and you make a good point.

I just heard the term online a lot and i guess i know what it means, but i dont think ive knowingly encountered it here.
Things work differently here, i think.
 

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There was a thread a while back where someone was trying to get me to kneel down and take ownership of said privilege (hard to do for something that does not exist) but that is about it.

It is not that things work differently here it is that things work different in reality.
 

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People get too hung up on the term itself that they flat out refuse to even consider what it stands for. I get it, I understand, reading an entire treatise is hard, dividing the term into very basic components and attacking their meanings individually is much simpler. That's what strawman arguments are for, after all.

Yes, "white privilege" is an extremely short-sighted name for it. It was first used to describe the structures of power established and perpetuated by (white) European colonists in conquered areas, so in a large part of the world "white" and "English" automatically put you in a better starting position and when the term was coined it, unfortunately, had "white" in it which always tends to raise a few hackles and get a few panties in a twist, in a "methinks the lady doth protest too much" way.

In America this were the WASP, white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, as the majority and ruling group, and the further you were from any of those things, the more of a disadvantage you were at. And since America once upon a time led the world in social progress, they chose a term fitting of their society, and it stuck.

But the structure exists in all societies. "Inherent advantageous slant in favor of a ruling class" would be better. Japan has their Burakumin, India has their caste system that formally "no longer exists" but come on. Eastern Europeans are discriminated against in Western Europe, non-Russians have it worse than ethnic Russians in Russia (so you can imagine how crappy that must be), the Han Chinese have it easier than Uyghurs in China; everybody discriminates against the Roma, and please, please don't embarrass yourself by saying the Irish had a jolly old time in England.

Oddly enough, nobody argues the above examples, but GOD FORBID you say white people in America have an easier time than the other races, or everyone throws a shit fit. As witnessed here.

"Privilege" is also a major point of contention here, people take it to mean you get handed a sack of money at birth and the most common argument is "I never had anything handed to me", with "there are poor [ruling class] people too, where is their privilege" a close second. Failing to take into account that even the slightest factor of inequality, iterated across a person's entire life, piles up. Nah. Probability is a nerd circle jerk that doesn't apply to real life, statistically significant factors are insignificant, and "the house always wins" principle applies only to casinos.

It would be better to say some people are "slightly less disadvantaged" than others, maybe that would be an easier pill to swallow, but probably not. People, by and large, are very reluctant to admit anyone in the world had it harder than them, and the "I started from the bottom / huh, we would be lucky to have had a bottom, I started in the bottomless pit" pissing contest is eternal.





So the question in the title is, can "non-whites" benefit from a socioeconomic system that is stacked in favor of a particular class/nationality/caste/race in their country/society? Yes.
 

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I was wondering if people from non traditional-white backgrounds and culture can also exhibit white privilege?
Would that have a different name? Would it exhibit itself differently?

Does it have more to do with skin-color or with heritage? Do genetics matter at all?

Is this only something common in america or can it be found in other places as well?


well im not sure how one can have something that is a delusion of a sick fanbase, but, humoring the idea for a minute, sure they can, in fact id say most other cultures have privilege's that are INFINITELY higher than white privilege. Other cultures are allowed to commit crime, and its the guns fault, or societies fault, other cultures are let out of jail sooner in major blue cities, and also other cultures are given special treatment in the working world under the guise of inclusion. The only real group that doesnt have any are my people, the native americans, the government owes us alot of money because of leases that expired, and they havent paid because its going to ukraine, and no one seems to bat an eye, we can't even have butter properly without someone who's business it isnt, butting in and taking it away, so perhaps the privileges' is yea, if other cultures complain, people listen.
 

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Other cultures are allowed to commit crime
No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸


other cultures are let out of jail sooner in major blue cities
No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸


and also other cultures are given special treatment in the working world under the guise of inclusion
No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸


The only real group that doesnt have any are my people, the native americans, the government owes us alot of money because of leases that expired, and they havent paid because its going to ukraine
Only in america 🤡🇺🇸


we can't even have butter properly without someone who's business it isnt
again, only in america

so perhaps the privileges' is yea, if other cultures complain, people listen
No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸

Hey! It's almost as if America is the center of the world, huh?
 
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No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸



No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸



No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸



Only in america 🤡🇺🇸



again, only in america


No, just america. 🤡🇺🇸

Hey! It's almost as if America is the center of the world, huh?

well i mean it is, im not really sure what that has to do with anything but you arent wrong.
 

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Most -if not all- kinds of privileges have as a funding base, the belief that people enslaved by such privilege, are better than others. So privilege as an enslavement culture has also a root of inequality and racism, of power and wealth, of skin color and "clean smiles".

White people believe they deserve a privilege because they feel "superior" as a race than others, that also provides a tint of racism to the privilege context.
 

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Veho pretty much hit the nail on the head, it's a name that got picked because the people studying socioeconomic factors were looking at it specifically in the USA, their home place, and the results were pretty much if you're born a white (and particularly male) in the US you're going to have a much easier time in life on average than people of a different social group.

The reasons for this are manifold, but most often boil down to the ruling elite stacking the decks in their own favor with the help of legislation, custom tailoring social programs, and where tax payer money is spent. And considering most of the ruling class was white dudes, most often lawyer or business types, that's the group that has it the easiest.

An easy example would be the red lining of districts which affect such things as bank loan rates, housing development, public funding for schools, public transport, and more. In many cities those were made first under Jim Crow and unsurprisingly had black neighborhoods all designated as higher risk areas than white neighborhoods, ensuring they would receive less funding and in turn ensured all those public services were of lower quality compared to their richer neighborhoods a couple blocks away.
The result of this can then be as simple as that the quality of your education as a child will drastically depend on where your parents are able to afford rent, and that will have an impact on your future college / job chances.

Though in most cases how rich your parents are will have a much bigger impact than a person's ethnicity / skin color, but chances are if your parents are rich they'll also live in a rich neighborhood and not a ghetto so you're then still benefiting from the deck being stacked in your favor.
 

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XXXX-privilige is probably most likely connected to culture. I don't automatically get benefits because I'm a white male in my country.

that's the thing, no one does.
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i know right?
Like, politics it's all about 🤡🇺🇸
(oof, this is gonna be so easy!)

idk wtf you are talking about but make sure you took your lithium today.
 

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I was wondering if people from non traditional-white backgrounds and culture can also exhibit white privilege?
Would that have a different name? Would it exhibit itself differently?

Does it have more to do with skin-color or with heritage? Do genetics matter at all?

Is this only something common in america or can it be found in other places as well?
Remember that not all nations have the same narrowed view on race that the US generally has.
That being said, yes, some other ethnic group or "race" could have some sort of "white privilege" in their countries.
You're bringing up this topic on one of the worst possible places lol
 

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