Steam dropping support for Windows 7 and 8 starting on 2024

64bitmodels · Mar 28, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
Here's a public link for anyone who wants to check it out:

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you got balls man

Marc_LFD · Mar 28, 2023

64bitmodels said:
you got balls man

Heh.

I used an "online activator" to get all features working on it rather than buy a key and then it wouldn't work because it'd be for a different LTSC version,

There's always the option of not activating and just not customizing it, but even then there's a program that can bypass it, too.

linuxares · Mar 28, 2023

Jayro said:
Hi! You must live under a rock with Patrick Star. There are SEVERAL user-friendly linux distros out these days, with some having a similar windows-like layout for familiarity. Linux Mint (Cinnamon version), Ubuntu, Puppy, Manjaro, etc are just a few user-friendly distros that come to mind.

If you cant run Linux Mint you freaking dont deserve a computer. That distro holds your hand and ask if everything is Okey. Man I love it.. Why do I pain myself with Arch distros?

Kioku · Mar 28, 2023

64bitmodels said:
yeah... until Bungie stops being so fucking uptight about Linux you'll have to get a console for that. or run it through cloud streaming. yuck

Ubuntu runs on debian, you can use any other debian based OS or even just run Mint/Pop_OS!
That being said, Fedora's worked for everything I needed it to.

Bungie has the weirdest stance on Proton and WINE… I’ll be honest, if they allowed Linux players (Stadia had an officially sanctioned port ffs) on without issue, I’d have deleted Windows by now. Another issue for me would be my Quest 2, but AFAIK I can get a VM running and it’ll work fine.

Also, I really wished Fedora worked for me. :v

Snintendog · Mar 28, 2023

Win 7 Has THE UI. I would jump ship to Linux if it wast for that NO ONE has made a Win7 UI. My desktop uses a RAW win 10 install and an MX install but my Laptop just keeps going and going it is outdated AF it the 8GB of RAM is always running out the batt is dead but it Just Works. Games forget that its my Control and Browser only. Both of which i can send to my desktop but I am tied to this crappy laptop that DOENST DIE. 2008Laptop to get a good idea of the age.

Also Win 10 is still buggy AF Desktop has been but into boot loops for qute a while until i just deleted the windows update software completely. Installing KB via Files is less buggy.

DudderButter · Mar 28, 2023

Kioku_Dreams said:
The average Joe doesn’t use Discord and the support forums are actually riddled with jargon and nonsense that the average Joe wouldn’t know unless they took the time to learn it. I love Linux, but it’s still not plug and play and I wish people would stop underselling its learning curve.

Even with the likes of Pop! OS and Mint, it’s still a daunting task for someone new to it. Is it impossible? No… Doesn’t mean it’s stupid easy.

As in "average Joe", I assume you mean someone's grandma? If she wants to play classic DOOM, she can, at the very least, update to Win 10/11.

As for "Joes" who are "not so average", most (PC) gamers should already be well-equipped with the bare essentials of an operating system. Linux should be relatively easy to set up depending on the distro and the user's technical knowledge. Plus, there's a multitude of knowledge bases, as people have mentioned, to help guide you through the processes, commands, etc.

Kioku · Mar 28, 2023

DudderButter said:
As in "average Joe", I assume you mean someone's grandma? If she wants to play classic DOOM, she can, at the very least, update to Win 10/11.

As for "Joes" who are "not so average", most (PC) gamers should already be well-equipped with the bare essentials of an operating system. Linux should be relatively easy to set up depending on the distro and the user's technical knowledge. Plus, there's a multitude of knowledge bases, as people have mentioned, to help guide you through the processes, commands, etc.

Now we're running in circles... In the context of "gamers", sure, some would have the technical know-how to get any distro of Linux running up to snuff for their gaming needs. Can't say most as I'd wager the rest of my life's earnings that most gamers these days only know how to install Steam to get on and game.

If an "average joe" in your eyes is the generic caricature of "someone's grandma", there's not much to discuss here. The "average joe" these days has more knowledge than some old lady who just checks her email...

"Plus there's a multitude of knowledge bases"... Yup, covered that. The knowledge is there, and much like anything else in life, Linux is easy if you learn it. That's like saying being a mechanic is easy... All you gotta do is learn it.. That goes without saying, yeah? Doesn't change the fact that there's a lot more tinkering that needs done to get to a comfortable spot and that can be daunting to a newcomer to the world of linux. Even more so to someone who just wants to get on and game. My problem is the amount of "Linux is so easy hurr durrs" that completely neglect the fact that it isn't as simple as just installing the OS and off you go.

Edit: Just putting this out there. I’m not saying that Linux is like the Rubik’s cube of OSes. Just that if you tell someone that it’s easy, they’re going to believe you. Looking up guides, resorting to multiple sources for troubleshooting, etc. isn’t what any average person considers “easy”. Especially the average gamer. If they can’t just download their preferred game on their preferred launcher, they are going to have a bad time. Not to mention content creators (OBS was such a fucking headache for me), or those who have one GPU or the other and need to adjust for that specifically… Also, what about those who have audio playing through their line in?

64bitmodels · Mar 29, 2023

Kioku_Dreams said:
Can't say most as I'd wager the rest of my life's earnings that most gamers these days only know how to install Steam to get on and game.

most gamers do know how to look up a short youtube video on how to create a bootable USB.

Goku1992A · Mar 29, 2023

Maybe I’m living under a rock but what’s so special over windows 7 and 8 to keep on it ?

I’m still on 10 I didn’t update to 11 yet

I also never used Linux a day in my life except on the PS3 so I don’t know too much about Linux

Xzi · Mar 29, 2023

Kioku_Dreams said:
My problem is the amount of "Linux is so easy hurr durrs" that completely neglect the fact that it isn't as simple as just installing the OS and off you go.

To be fair, SteamOS is pretty much just that simple, especially if your use case is strictly gaming. Even if not, the desktop environment is plenty user-friendly itself, what with Firefox pre-installed and Discover including every app you could ask for for free. From Linuxares' description, it sounds like Mint is equally simplistic, if not more so.

All that said, of course there will always be people who don't want to bother installing/learning a different OS, no matter how smooth the transition might be. Which is fine, but OTOH I do believe that by end of support for Windows 10, we'll be spoiled by the wealth of options for user-friendly Linux distros and how refined they are.

64bitmodels · Mar 29, 2023

Goku1992A said:
Maybe I’m living under a rock but what’s so special over windows 7 and 8 to keep on it ?

Windows 7 is one of the most common and a contender for the best Windows OS
People love the simple interface, poweruser friendliness and the beautiful UI that still looks better than any other desktop environment 14 years later. Not to mention it doesn't include the telemetry and bloat that Windows 10 and 11 have, nor the unnessacary metro UIs that are ugly and difficult to find specific settings in.

That being said the caveat is that it's a 14 year old operating system with a lot of deprecated drivers and software, it's a pain getting stuff to work on it.

Windows 10 has gotten pretty good these days and Windows 11 is also not that bad, if you like the UI changes (i do)
There's also Linux which has improved exponentially since Windows 7 release, most games work with Proton (besides the games made by retards like Fortnite and Destiny 2)

Windows 7 was great but it was a decade ago and there are just some people having trouble leaving it in the past

Kioku · Mar 29, 2023

Xzi said:
To be fair, SteamOS is pretty much just that simple, especially if your use case is strictly gaming. Even if not, the desktop environment is plenty user-friendly itself, what with Firefox pre-installed and Discover including every app you could ask for for free. From Linuxares' description, it sounds like Mint is equally simplistic, if not more so.

All that said, of course there will always be people who don't want to bother installing/learning a different OS, no matter how smooth the transition might be. Which is fine, but OTOH I do believe that by end of support for Windows 10, we'll be spoiled by the wealth of options for user-friendly Linux distros and how refined they are.

To a fine point, yes, SteamOS is that easy. If literally all you’re after is a gaming experience, that may be your best bet. Even then, there are still the same exact limitations imposed by Proton and the devs who don’t support it.

I do agree that more people should take the time to learn it. I’m just against the hive mind that Linux is so easy.

I also hope that in the future the process will be more streamlined and not reliant on outside sources.

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64bitmodels said:
most gamers do know how to look up a short youtube video on how to create a bootable USB.

Then turn around and complain that F8 didn’t get into their boot menu… Okay, that was petty..

Edit: All this talk of Linux has me wanting to go rounds with it again.. Thanks I hate you..

Goku1992A · Mar 29, 2023

64bitmodels said:
Windows 7 is one of the most common and a contender for the best Windows OS
People love the simple interface, poweruser friendliness and the beautiful UI that still looks better than any other desktop environment 14 years later. Not to mention it doesn't include the telemetry and bloat that Windows 10 and 11 have.

That being said the caveat is that it's a 14 year old operating system with a lot of deprecated drivers and software, it's a pain getting stuff to work on it.

Windows 10 has gotten pretty good these days and Windows 11 is also not that bad, if you like the UI changes (i do)
There's also Linux which has improved exponentially since Windows 7 release, most games work with Proton (besides the games made by retards like Fortnite and Destiny 2)

Windows 7 was great but it was a decade ago and there are just some people having trouble leaving it in the past

Gotcha I’ve been using windows 10 for a long time I never had issues / problems. But as technology progresses companies can’t continue to support older software.

We don’t even have CD drives in computers anymore

xScarYx · Mar 29, 2023

Thank god i already switched to Linux for my Systems.
A few games are making problems (anti-cheat not working etc.) but for the most part its quite easy to use.
if u only own games on steam, than its even easier.

Guacaholey · Mar 29, 2023

There are probably still people running Win 7/8 for some software that can't be used on Linux (without cracks), but they're probably stuck on older versions of the software anyway. (Like old versions of Adobe CC software or Avid Pro Tools)

64bitmodels said:
Nobara is the best distro for gaming!

https://nobaraproject.org/

Never suggest ubuntu to anyone. It's the most popular but also the worst. It's literally just FOSS Windows.

Nobara is great, I use it on my laptop and its gaming performance is so much better than Kubuntu.

sombrerosonic · Mar 29, 2023

Jayro said:
Unless you're legally brain-dead, the average joe is smart enough to use Linux these days, especially with Google at their fingertips for any issues they might run into. The support forums (And now Discord servers too) are overwhelmingly helpful.

Ah yes, "Linux is easy! You just have to learn the huge ass curve!"

Alot of people use things like Office or Adobe Products that has no support on linux. and wine......... Wine is ass for running games or software. Linux isn't for everyone and it depends on who you are at the end of the day.

64bitmodels · Mar 29, 2023

sombrerosonic said:
Wine is ass for running games or software.

just randomly downloaded FL studio on Wine, did nothing to try and increase compatibility, clicked on the EXE and installed exactly like Windows.
it ran flawlessly

why u lying bro?

Jayro · Mar 29, 2023

sombrerosonic said:
Ah yes, "Linux is easy! You just have to learn the huge ass curve!"

Alot of people use things like Office or Adobe Products that has no support on linux. and wine......... Wine is ass for running games or software. Linux isn't for everyone and it depends on who you are at the end of the day.

The learning curve:

Ryab · Mar 29, 2023

64bitmodels said:
Nobara is the best distro for gaming!

https://nobaraproject.org/

Never suggest ubuntu to anyone. It's the most popular but also the worst. It's literally just FOSS Windows.

Ubuntu isnt even FOSS at this point anymore. They literally have a Pro version now.

Nerdtendo · Mar 29, 2023

Jayro said:
Hi! You must live under a rock with Patrick Star. There are SEVERAL user-friendly linux distros out these days, with some having a similar windows-like layout for familiarity. Linux Mint (Cinnamon version), Ubuntu, Puppy, Manjaro, etc are just a few user-friendly distros that come to mind.

while yes there are some "user-friendly" Linux distros, I don't think anyone can make the argument that they are easier to use than Windows computers. I'm pretty tech savvy and there are some points while using Ubuntu that just baffle me. For example, the VPN software I use only has a CLI in Ubuntu. Sure, that's on the software dev for not making a gui, but as a casual user, I would choose the OS with the maximum number of GUIs.

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