Windows 11. Yay or Nay?

godreborn · Mar 19, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
Today I used a buddy's notebook with Windows 11 to install a bunch of programs and make several changes to it (try to make it more like Windows 10) and while it's a "fine" operating system, I'd never make it the OS for I to use daily. When installing a program it *always* showed up this f#cking pop up and it always wanted me to press the blue button, even when it was essential (i.e., to turn on the anti-virus).

App?? It's a program!

Moving the Start Menu wasn't easy by itself, I had to look it up on the web and then I had it switched to the left. Now, the time, for some reason it's stuck to the far right rather than center so annoying as that it, it stayed on the far right (eh, it's "fine").

I don't understand why Microsoft made a dumbed-down version of Windows 10 with stupid features that just get in the way of using Windows like we've always known it as. Like, why do we need to press "Show more options" to get the options we always had!?

The WiFi, I had to go to Settings to connect to a WiFi network when on Windows 10 I'd just click the icon on the taskbar, click on the network, type the password, and connect! Why complicate things!

Sorry about this rant. Screw Windows 11. Microsoft better not f#ck up Windows 12, too.

Disable uac to remove the pop up. There's an app to change the Taskbar to windows 10, which I needed for t clock. They've made copy, paste, cut, delete, and rename very easy to do.

Kazesama · Mar 19, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
Today I used a buddy's notebook with Windows 11 to install a bunch of programs and make several changes to it (try to make it more like Windows 10) and while it's a "fine" operating system, I'd never make it the OS for I to use daily. When installing a program it *always* showed up this f#cking pop up and it always wanted me to press the blue button, even when it was essential (i.e., to turn on the anti-virus).

App?? It's a program!

Moving the Start Menu wasn't easy by itself, I had to look it up on the web and then I had it switched to the left. Now, the time, for some reason it's stuck to the far right rather than center so annoying as that it, it stayed on the far right (eh, it's "fine").

I don't understand why Microsoft made a dumbed-down version of Windows 10 with stupid features that just get in the way of using Windows like we've always known it as. Like, why do we need to press "Show more options" to get the options we always had!?

The WiFi, I had to go to Settings to connect to a WiFi network when on Windows 10 I'd just click the icon on the taskbar, click on the network, type the password, and connect! Why complicate things!

Sorry about this rant. Screw Windows 11. Microsoft better not f#ck up Windows 12, too.

windows 11 was designed to mine personal data.. "free" upgrade. (nothing is free)

Marc_LFD · Mar 19, 2023

godreborn said:
Disable uac to remove the pop up. There's an app to change the Taskbar to windows 10, which I needed for t clock. They've made copy, paste, cut, delete, and rename very easy to do.

There is that option, but having that pop up on Windows 10 is very useful while on Windows 11 is just obnoxiously stupid.

Why would they always recommend pressing the blue button? That's insane. It essentially means the user should make no decision by him/herself and have Microsoft control it all.

Kazesama · Mar 19, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
There is that option, but having that pop up on Windows 10 is very useful while on Windows 11 is just obnoxiously stupid.

Why would they always recommend pressing the blue button? That's insane. It essentially means the user should make no decision by him/herself and have Microsoft control it all.

yea Windows 10 is heaps better in terms of UX and stability... the only thing I do like from Windows 11 is the tabbed File Explorer. took them forever, but I guess better later than never.

RandomUser · Mar 19, 2023

What I find amusing is that under all of that Windows 11, it is still listed as Windows 10 in the registry.

Alexander1970 · Mar 19, 2023

3 Months after I had installed a fresh Windows 11 - No,I am no longer a big Fan of 11....

How is it possible that the newest and most advanced Windows "bloats itself" so much and becomes slower and slower...after 3 months ???
And after each cumulative update it gets worse...
Yes, my PC is a bit older - but that's no reason to "artificially" shoot it out with such "Updates"...

What a Pile of

.....

Marc_LFD · Mar 19, 2023

Alexander1970 said:
3 Months after I had installed a fresh Windows 11 - No,I am no longer a big Fan of 11....

How is it possible that the newest and most advanced Windows "bloats itself" so much and becomes slower and slower...after 3 months ???
And after each cumulative update it gets worse...
Yes, my PC is a bit older - but that's no reason to "artificially" shoot it out with such "Updates"...

What a Pile of .....

I was surprised I was able to uninstall Edge on a Windows 11 notebook I used, but I suspect with the next update it'll auto-reinstall.

Meanwhile, on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC I have Windows without bloatware and without Edge (unless I'd willingly install it).

godreborn · Mar 19, 2023

well, I read there's a lot of telemetry and data uploaded to microsoft's servers with both windows 11 and 10, not so much with 7. total bullshit. you need to do registry edits to disable them. I've done none on windows 11 myself.

tech3475 · Mar 19, 2023

I’ve installed it on my Steam Deck.

The first issue I had was that with some ‘memory integrity’ protection or whatever it’s called on, the GPU driver crashes. This is enabled by default on a clean install and disabling it fixed my issue.

I ended up installing a replacement start menu, restored the old right click menu and the Android emulator can’t run the software I wanted to run on it.

Otherwise my overall thoughts on it so far is ‘meh’, I can live with it if I have to, but I don’t yet feel the need to upgrade.

tl;dr it’s Windows 8.x all over again.

Marc_LFD · Mar 25, 2023

Video from three days ago:

11 just keeps getting worse and it's all by MS's doing.

impeeza · Mar 25, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
Today I used a buddy's notebook with Windows 11 to install a bunch of programs and make several changes to it (try to make it more like Windows 10) and while it's a "fine" operating system, I'd never make it the OS for I to use daily. When installing a program it *always* showed up this f#cking pop up and it always wanted me to press the blue button, even when it was essential (i.e., to turn on the anti-virus).

App?? It's a program!

Moving the Start Menu wasn't easy by itself, I had to look it up on the web and then I had it switched to the left. Now, the time, for some reason it's stuck to the far right rather than center so annoying as that it, it stayed on the far right (eh, it's "fine").

I don't understand why Microsoft made a dumbed-down version of Windows 10 with stupid features that just get in the way of using Windows like we've always known it as. Like, why do we need to press "Show more options" to get the options we always had!?

The WiFi, I had to go to Settings to connect to a WiFi network when on Windows 10 I'd just click the icon on the taskbar, click on the network, type the password, and connect! Why complicate things!

Sorry about this rant. Screw Windows 11. Microsoft better not f#ck up Windows 12, too.

godreborn said:
Disable uac to remove the pop up. There's an app to change the Taskbar to windows 10, which I needed for t clock. They've made copy, paste, cut, delete, and rename very easy to do.

I was about to say that, you need to disable UAC, UAC exist from Windows 7 (even XP) that was what make some people dumbly say windows 8 was crap, because on Windows 8 the UAC was enabled by default, if you don't like: disable it!

godreborn · Mar 25, 2023

impeeza said:
I was about to say that, you need to disable UAC, UAC exist from Windows 7 (even XP) that was what make some people dumbly say windows 8 was crap, because on Windows 8 the UAC was enabled by default, if you don't like: disable it!

I'm liking windows 11 a lot. I don't know if this new rog laptop instead of a dell or windows 11 itself, but I have 0 computer issues, knock on wood. on the old computer, on windows 10, searching crashed windows explorer randomly. though, I did only install what I needed on this computer instead of having a bunch of crap like img burn when I don't even have an optical drive.

impeeza · Mar 25, 2023

I has been using Windows 11 since day 1 and even I had to "hack" the installer to allow my old CPU everything has worked fine, the only "problem" was after updating to 22H2, manually of course due to my CPU the ExplorerPatcher what I love do not work at all even if it autoupdate, but completely removing it and reinstalling from scratch made the trick.

Should I learn from the Switch: IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO UPDATE FIRMWARE, REMOVE THEMES FIRST

godreborn · Mar 25, 2023

impeeza said:
I has been using Windows 11 since day 1 and even I had to "hack" the installer to allow my old CPU everything has worked fine, the only "problem" was after updating to 22H2, manually of course due to my CPU the ExplorerPatcher what I love do not work at all even if it autoupdate, but completely removing it and reinstalling from scratch made the trick.

Should I learn from the Switch: IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO UPDATE FIRMWARE, REMOVE THEMES FIRST

I'm using file explorer myself to make the taskbar like windows 10, and I'm using a transparent taskbar that I got from the microsoft store. I did so in order to get t-clock to work with windows 11. all three work perfectly in unison. so far, an update hasn't messed things up, but file explorer will tell you when there's an update in case something does break.

Marc_LFD · Mar 25, 2023

impeeza said:
if you don't like: disable it!

Windows 10:

Windows 11:

It's not as simple as "If you don't like it, disable it!" because on 10, the buttons were both neutral without one being favored over the other while on 11 they purposefully want people to always press No.

UAC is useful and I like using it, so I'm not going to disable it. Plus, I'm on 10 so don't have to deal with that 11 bs (except if other people use 11).

I'm guessing they'll eventually try to force the Microsoft Store as the one place to get all programs from for "our safety and protection."

godreborn · Mar 25, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
Windows 10:

Windows 11:

It's not as simple as "If you don't like it, disable it!" because on 10, the buttons were both neutral without one being favored over the other while on 11 they purposefully want people to always press No.

UAC is useful and I like using it, so I'm not going to disable it. Plus, I'm on 10 so don't have to deal with that 11 bs (except if other people use 11).

I'm guessing they'll eventually try to force the Microsoft Store as the one place to get all programs from for "our safety and protection."

well, it's a bit like using defender over a paid av. common sense will save you from a lot of computer problems. don't open anything questionable.

Marc_LFD · Mar 25, 2023

godreborn said:
well, it's a bit like using defender over a paid av. common sense will save you from a lot of computer problems. don't open anything questionable.

But in this case, when opening an EXE it always shows (and even when enabling Windows Security itself) so it's a stupid, flawed UAC system they have going.

godreborn · Mar 25, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
But in this case, when opening an EXE it always shows (and even when enabling Windows Security itself) so it's a stupid, flawed UAC system they have going.

I don't get why you just don't use it then.

Marc_LFD · Mar 25, 2023

godreborn said:
I don't get why you just don't use it then.

I do, but when using other people's computers 11's UAC is just what it is. I get you like 11 though there's no denying it's a flawed OS (a reskin of 10 with more unnecessary restrictions and limitations).

godreborn · Mar 25, 2023

well, afaik, the biggest problem with 11 is the telemetry that's sent to microsoft. 10 is less so, but there's still a ton that's sent to them. the only way to negate it is to do registry edits. I haven't done any myself as I think I can probably protect myself normally.

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