The difficulties of legal game preservation and backups showcased in latest Completionist video



The Nintendo Wii U and 3DS eShops are closing next week, which means hundreds upon thousands of games will imminently be forever lost to the shutdown of the respective console's storefronts. Many here are aware of how important game preservation is, and with both the Wii U and 3DS being easy to put CFW and load backups on, it's a fairly simple task to obtain near-complete libraries of either. Of course, while backing up those games may be a legal grey area, playing them without owning them is unlawful, and audiences not tuned into the world of homebrew may not even know about such things to begin with.

Which is why YouTube personality The Completionist has decided to purchase every single available game on both the Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo Wii U eShops. This endeavor consisted of purchasing 866 Wii U digital titles, and 1,547 3DS games, including all DLC and Virtual Console releases, totaling at over $22,000. The video showcases the difficulties in legally compiling a complete backup of both the Wii U and 3DS, ranging from the problems arising from trying to obtain $18,000 worth of eShop cards, to trying to actually make purchases since you can only load $250 worth of eShop credit at a time, being locked out by Nintendo from making so many transactions at a time, slow downloads from Nintendo's servers, the limitations of the 3DS, and other obstacles.

The video is an important display of why video game preservation is so important, and the arduous process of backing up media so that it does not become lost forever.
 

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my stance on piracy is that if the game is so old the devs don’t make money off it anymore or the game isn’t available to purchase anymore it’s morally correct to pirate them as there is no legal way of buying it. this is why digital storefronts suck because it can all be taken away very easily where as the physical version you have pretty much forever (until it breaks or you sell it)
 
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Digital 'preservation' is kind of pointless from the perspective taken in the video as it's only accessible by the account that originally downloaded it - and once you can no longer access that account it doesn't matter how many backups of the content you made, you won't be able to access any of it without resorting to exploiting the hardware.

i hate how much of a calculated waste of time and resources this likely was.
you can't tell me they didn't research this enough to not understand that these ssds and sd cards with data on it are essentially useless, cause neither console will access its content and you always have to redownload any software not currently installed.
they can't not be aware of how little this did for preservation of any kind.
at the least, if they meant to be serious about this, they would've had to put all of these on several consoles, to even make them accessible.
like people argue that videogame scientists can now legally do research on these titles but no, they don't have the license to play these games. so even if they were actually usable on these consoles, it would just be a notch below straight up pirating them anyways. not that any video game scientist would ever go to that foundation and request the wii u system to do anything anyways.
And it's even worse for the Wii U and 3DS specifically, because both those systems do not track your purchases to your account itself, but rather to the original console you purchased them from.
So unlike the Switch - or any of the competition, you can't just sign in and redownload your games like normal. You have to do a System Transfer from your original console to your new console, or call Nintendo to do it for you.

So if your original console is bricked and Nintendo no longer does their transfer service, your Shit Outta Luck.
Your only hope then would be to hack your consoles, rip your games to a backup, and reinstall the games on another hacked console.
 
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And it's even worse for the Wii U and 3DS specifically, because both those systems do not track your purchases to your account itself, but rather to the original console you purchased them from.
So unlike the Switch - or any of the competition, you can't just sign in and redownload your games like normal. You have to do a System Transfer from your original console to your new console, or call Nintendo to do it for you.

So if your original console is bricked and Nintendo no longer does their transfer service, your Shit Outta Luck.
Your only hope then would be to hack your consoles, rip your games to a backup, and reinstall the games on another hacked console.
Actually purchases on Wii U are tied to the Nintendo Network that bought the software, you don't necessarily have to do a system transfer to reuse your account on another console but you have to manually unlink it from the previous console. So yes if your console happens to die with an account linked to it you can't reuse it.
 

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I really think this is nice and even kind of important but when you don't even have a proper game card or anything except digital data stored on some ugly sd cards I wouldn't see the benefit of doing it legaly instead of just getting the files somewhere.

There should be a law saying that digital only goods need to be preserved for the future ;(
 

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I wonder if he'll make the cost back from ad revenue on the video.
Folks on YouTube are giving him props, but for what? Wasting money?

If he wants those games to remain playable he'll have to "convert" them so they don't have stupid bs DRM.

Digital purchases are like I say, long-term rentals.
 

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Folks on YouTube are giving him props, but for what? Wasting money?

If he wants those games to remain playable he'll have to "convert" them so they don't have stupid bs DRM.

Digital purchases are like I say, long-term rentals.
Yeah, all the comments worshipping the guy irked me. Are they all dumb? He. Didn't. DO. ANYTHING. All he did was waste his own time and everyone else involved, including the viewers. All these games have always been available to download for free, even if he donated these to a video game preservationist, all he did was give them a new copy of files that already existed and have existed for years now.

This whole video is misguided at best. All he did was showcase how shitty Nintendo's shop is. He shouldn't be thanked for doing anything because he didn't do anything that wasn't already done. He would have contributed more by simply downloading and then seeding a collection of the games from a third party site.
 

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Yeah, all the comments worshipping the guy irked me. Are they all dumb? He. Didn't. DO. ANYTHING. All he did was waste his own time and everyone else involved, including the viewers. All these games have always been available to download for free, even if he donated these to a video game preservationist, all he did was give them a new copy of files that already existed and have existed for years now.

This whole video is misguided at best. All he did was showcase how shitty Nintendo's shop is. He shouldn't be thanked for doing anything because he didn't do anything that wasn't already done. He would have contributed more by simply downloading and then seeding a collection of the games from a third party site.
What do you mean he didn't do anything?!

He made the front page, dammit!
That's a big deal!
 
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Actually purchases on Wii U are tied to the Nintendo Network that bought the software, you don't necessarily have to do a system transfer to reuse your account on another console but you have to manually unlink it from the previous console. So yes if your console happens to die with an account linked to it you can't reuse it.
Good points...
...though it's also part of the point I was making. The fact that the account itself can only be tied to a single console and has to be moved manually essentially makes those purchases tied to only that console anyway.
Either way, like you said, the end result is the same. Once your console dies and you are unable to transfer the account, you lose everything.
Now that I thought a/b it, wasn't this guy working for G4TV before its collapse/demise? Looking at his follower count, why dafuq did he even jump aboard G4TV's slow moving train derailment of a platform.
You're guess is as good as mine. Jirard was probably the most tolerable of that G4 crew (Other than Scott the Woz, who basically did nothing for them except license his YouTube videos for TV syndication).
 
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Now I'm seeing on Reddit a bunch of people flexing off saying they've spend lots of money on eShop titles. I say, what a waste, pirate the game instead of forking out money for games legally on a dying platform. I blame "The Completionist" for making a trend here.
 

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Now I'm seeing on Reddit a bunch of people flexing off saying they've spend lots of money on eShop titles. I say, what a waste, pirate the game instead of forking out money for games legally on a dying platform. I blame "The Completionist" for making a trend here.
For a YouTuber with a million subscribers, he only gets about 100k to 200k views, and a few 40k vids, and so on.

This specific video has 700k views so it looks like it is for the views as he was having a hard time gaining it.

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A business decision he made.
 

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And this is how thieves justify piracy.
I know right? Imagine that the only way you can get something that is no longer being sold by the company (so they can't get anything from it no matter what), is to create an exact copy that does not cause anything negative to anyone. Fuck them thieves, am I right?
 
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Now I'm seeing on Reddit a bunch of people flexing off saying they've spend lots of money on eShop titles. I say, what a waste, pirate the game instead of forking out money for games legally on a dying platform. I blame "The Completionist" for making a trend here.
I could not agree w/ you more... I say what makes those purchases so much more worse and egregious is that they're freaking digital titles ffs and they better make backup copies of all of that ish b/c whenever that day comes when their Wii U or the 3DS fails to operate, all those purchases go down w/ it.
 

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