The Pokemon Company is looking to hire those with NFT, metaverse, and blockchain experience

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The Pokemon Company has drawn the ire and attention of many, with a new job posting that is actively seeking employees with experience in uncharted territory for the Pokemon franchise. The hiring page shows that The Pokemon Company International wants to hire staff that has "deep knowledge and understanding of Web 3, [...] blockchain technologies, NFT, and/or metaverse. They also appear to be looking for someone who can "connect the relevance of potential partners or technologies with Pokemon's existing assets", which has fans dramatically split between unease and excitement for what this might mean for the future.

The Pokemon Company isn't the first, and definitely won't be the last, in terms of businesses trying to incorporate elements of the blockchain into the video game industry. Despite harsh criticism in the past, Square Enix is still committed to pushing the idea of NFT games. Regardless, outside of the hiring page, nothing involving NFTs has been announced from The Pokemon Company, for now.

 

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I have seen people dismiss NFTs as hyperlinks derisively but they usually understood there is still an underlying concept. I don't know if you fail to understand it or are being massively obtuse but either way no.

Various types of ownership are recognised by court and common custom, this would include intellectual property generally and instances of a work.

You can attempt to own it generally as per standard contract law, buy, sell, subdivide and defend rights accordingly.

Some companies will offer to make you part of a ledger/database to assist in such things, disputes and more besides as well as facilitate the above (sometimes, for games the selling of virtual games and other works of intellectual property otherwise traded in the millions for centuries now is often stymied by bigger providers much to my chagrin). Rather relies on the company or a successor continuing to offer the service, and under terms you care to work under but hey we have working examples.

Long theorised but these days a practical reality is you can eschew the company holding things and instead trust to the general public, and as the general public are rather less trustworthy than anything else you attempt to obviate that by use of cryptography and widespread distribution. This gives rise to the idea of a non fungible (that is to say can't be subdivided) token aka NFT wherein ownership of the token* (again backed by strong cryptography) in turn confers ownership of an instance of a work. You can sell said token, sublicense it, effectively destroy it depending upon the protocol (some will allow you to send to a non existent address, or one nobody has the keys for), enjoy the benefits of ownership and much more besides. Some NFT examples may include a hyperlink in the contract that is exchanged (NFT being a subset of something called a smart contract, that being where a contract is drawn up and given over to said public ledger and strong crypto backing and not all contracts involve the exchange of ownership of something) and some of those may be subject to the same failures as the company example above but it is generally considered a convenience where the ownership rights still reside with the token.

*various courts, companies and the like recognising that he what owns the serial sticker, paper certificates of ownership/sale, dongle or the like is the owner of the instance(s) of the software.

There is no other concept, though. You don't "own" anything with an NFT. Go buy your Bored Ape NFT from that one Nazi fuck who sells them.

Hey look, I own it too!
https://media.newyorker.com/photos/...master/w_2560,c_limit/chayka-boredapeclub.jpg

I have the picture. I have what you have. Meaning... you bought nothing. Nothing at all. You own nothing.


The best part is the "NFT" you bought is just a hyperlink to the same picture. The issue is the hyperlink token you bought can actually change. It may change to a country's flag. It may change to a picture of someone's dick. It may change to a picture of George Washington. Literally all you "own" is a token that claims a possible link at a given moment, but it CAN change, and you'd never have anything to complain about since the token you "own" does not entitle you to a SPECIFIC thing or link, but a link period.

NFTs have zero proof of ownership despite claims otherwise. They also provide literally nothing that simple hyperlinks already don't. As with literally anything blockchain-related, the process goes dick-up the moment you want to actually use it because of the insane amount of computational power you're spending to actually make it useable.

Decentralization is for drug dealers and dumbasses because it can only be used when centralized. The act of recentralizing it means you just have a grossly inefficient version of existing centralized concepts and systems.

The concept that it's "similar to buying a receipt" for proof of ownership is false---a receipt is actually specific. There is nothing specific owned with an NFT.

I have another example: notice how the porn industry has entirely ignored blockchain?
Porn is the great innovator that is the driving force behind most entertainment industries. Streaming, DVDs, Blu-Rays, subscription, PPV, you name it. Porn was the great innovator and driver of whatever medium it is.

Porn has avoided Web 3.0 crap. GEE I WONDER WHY...
 
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Still can't tell if obtuse or stupid.

Having an image no more means you own a game than having downloaded a ROM of it if we are going to go for an example more familiar to around here.

For you the best part might be a hyperlink, entirely your prerogative there. I would take the concept of ownership of an instance of a work instead. That applies regardless of the perils of URL shortening and reuse of letter combos. If your particular example is only the ownership of the URL then that speaks to an implementation issue.

Proof of ownership could get tricky if various courts get involved (a judge would struggle to break crypto the same as the ancient king failed to turn back the tide) but it is compelling the same way as a notarised series of documents conferring a change in ownership would be compelling*, to the point you would have to challenge the transaction as inauthentic. How this gets resolved in band, out of band and where the two shall meet (never mind if your network has provisions for this -- there was that network where the stakeholders revolted and could do something about it, and several bitcoin exchanges at least won't recognise certain known to be stolen addresses).

*or to take it to a closer equivalent to this a series of emails signed with my RSA key, however in this case rather than having to send a subpoena/anton piller order/whatever to AOL to get their logs it is all there for the perusal of parties involved and anybody else that is bored enough to look.

I don't think centralised means what you think it means. Everything stays decentralised and ongoing in whatever transaction chain forms the blockchain of choice. If we need to then we grab the data, or subsection thereof, and verify accordingly.

There is plenty specific owned with a NFT. Make a contract with something of the effect of
The owner of this token is the sole owner of the file with the hash blah, at time of creation could be viewed on url (an entirely optional aspect of this by the way), item can be sold, given away or disposed of as the owner sees fit. Maybe a colloquial description if the hash is not enough/it benefits the particular instance. Probably get some other legal crap if you wanted but frankly a file hash is probably enough for the basic implementation, a pokemon one to take it back to the thread originator might well include the option for it to grow and gain experience as it is easy enough to add data to things/change additional data/make it part of a chain.
If your examples or history with them fails to include something to that effect then that is an implementation issue with a specific take or takes, not a failure of the concept at large. Such a thing goes well beyond a simple link and its abilities as well.

On the charge of inefficient. Indeed you probably could do a broad equivalence as some dude with a mysql server, albeit with the same lack of robustness problems and others that have been detailed, and have it run on far less. Fortunately we live in a world with enough resources for a bit of decadence, and the perks the distributed method might afford could well be what someone is inclined to go in for (probably not you given your protests, for what it is worth I similarly see minimal value for myself but I can at least look to examples in the world and see people enjoying such things a lot, very much to the point of them parting with not inconsiderable funds).

On porn avoiding blockchain... they embraced payments with it quite well when visa, mastercard, paypel et al without a sense of irony got on the moral high horse and made it an arseache to do anything with them. Similarly if they have not embraced such things for custom videos then super massive missed trick there. Equally just because it has historically been a driving force for adoption in certain things (though I might question blu ray in your little list) does not mean it will be as time goes on, saturation maybe having already been achieved.

I think that was everything in your rant covered, and if nothing else a potential use case and value established that is going to be hard to dismiss. Time to go watching something interesting as I await what the day brings.
 

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A lot of words for someone defending the fact that he spent a lot of money on a picture everyone with a computer can have since Print Screening said picture yields the same result.
 
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Still can't tell if obtuse or stupid.

Having an image no more means you own a game than having downloaded a ROM of it if we are going to go for an example more familiar to around here.

For you the best part might be a hyperlink, entirely your prerogative there. I would take the concept of ownership of an instance of a work instead. That applies regardless of the perils of URL shortening and reuse of letter combos. If your particular example is only the ownership of the URL then that speaks to an implementation issue.

Proof of ownership could get tricky if various courts get involved (a judge would struggle to break crypto the same as the ancient king failed to turn back the tide) but it is compelling the same way as a notarised series of documents conferring a change in ownership would be compelling*, to the point you would have to challenge the transaction as inauthentic. How this gets resolved in band, out of band and where the two shall meet (never mind if your network has provisions for this -- there was that network where the stakeholders revolted and could do something about it, and several bitcoin exchanges at least won't recognise certain known to be stolen addresses).

*or to take it to a closer equivalent to this a series of emails signed with my RSA key, however in this case rather than having to send a subpoena/anton piller order/whatever to AOL to get their logs it is all there for the perusal of parties involved and anybody else that is bored enough to look.

I don't think centralised means what you think it means. Everything stays decentralised and ongoing in whatever transaction chain forms the blockchain of choice. If we need to then we grab the data, or subsection thereof, and verify accordingly.

There is plenty specific owned with a NFT. Make a contract with something of the effect of
The owner of this token is the sole owner of the file with the hash blah, at time of creation could be viewed on url (an entirely optional aspect of this by the way), item can be sold, given away or disposed of as the owner sees fit. Maybe a colloquial description if the hash is not enough/it benefits the particular instance. Probably get some other legal crap if you wanted but frankly a file hash is probably enough for the basic implementation, a pokemon one to take it back to the thread originator might well include the option for it to grow and gain experience as it is easy enough to add data to things/change additional data/make it part of a chain.
If your examples or history with them fails to include something to that effect then that is an implementation issue with a specific take or takes, not a failure of the concept at large. Such a thing goes well beyond a simple link and its abilities as well.

On the charge of inefficient. Indeed you probably could do a broad equivalence as some dude with a mysql server, albeit with the same lack of robustness problems and others that have been detailed, and have it run on far less. Fortunately we live in a world with enough resources for a bit of decadence, and the perks the distributed method might afford could well be what someone is inclined to go in for (probably not you given your protests, for what it is worth I similarly see minimal value for myself but I can at least look to examples in the world and see people enjoying such things a lot, very much to the point of them parting with not inconsiderable funds).

On porn avoiding blockchain... they embraced payments with it quite well when visa, mastercard, paypel et al without a sense of irony got on the moral high horse and made it an arseache to do anything with them. Similarly if they have not embraced such things for custom videos then super massive missed trick there. Equally just because it has historically been a driving force for adoption in certain things (though I might question blu ray in your little list) does not mean it will be as time goes on, saturation maybe having already been achieved.

I think that was everything in your rant covered, and if nothing else a potential use case and value established that is going to be hard to dismiss. Time to go watching something interesting as I await what the day brings.

What I'd like to see developed with NFTs are digital download licenses that can be resold and traded at will. Of course, some people can't see beyond bored apes, but those are the people who don't contribute any innovation. For all the haters, it only takes a single proof of function.

The people who are opposed to development of NFT tech may wind up using it without knowing it.
 

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What I'd like to see developed with NFTs are digital download licenses that can be resold and traded at will. Of course, some people can't see beyond bored apes, but those are the people who don't contribute any innovation. For all the haters, it only takes a single proof of function.

The people who are opposed to development of NFT tech may wind up using it without knowing it.

"What you'd like to see"
"What would be great"
"We're nearing a point where"

How many fucking decades of this shit do we have to hear about NFTs, crypto, blockchain, or whatever the fuck Web 3.0 BS it is? 2008 is when this shit started. 2008. It's 2023 now. 15 years. 15 fucking years of "nearing" it being something or "it'd be great if". Why ISN'T it?

Oh, because it's needlessly inefficient, not very useful, and overly complicated?
What use is Bitcoin? Why do I need a currency that me and the transactor need a fifty hour seminar on for how to use? It isn't "universal". It isn't "use on command", it's actually a very lengthy and tedious process to use. What use is it?

There HAS to be a track record of how much I have, how much they have, and that a transaction happened, or you literally can't use it. So the "decentralized" aspect doesn't exist. It's "decentralized" only when not used, but it's no better than imaginary money then. Once you recentralize it, it's just a brainless version of real money.

NFTs aren't any different. They will never be and CAN NEVER be anything other than someone claiming to own a possible hyperlink with the caveat that there is literally nothing you can do about the fact that the REAL OWNER of said hyperlink can shift it. You want your receipt? You can have it for now, but at some point it's going to be a picture of a dick and you're gonna say you own THAT.

Why not, hmm, oh gee I don't know, a fucking email? You own that better than any NFT and it's a great, documented paper trail. Quit doing illegal shit and you won't need your "receipt" to avoid official channels so much.
 

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Ancaps who don't know "whinge" is different from "whine". Let me guess, you also think "could care less" is proper and that "lose" and "loose" are synonyms?
 

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I use to think FAST6191 was clever. After seeing these last few rants of his, how wrong I was.
Eh. Fight with pigs and you are going to get dirty. Fortunately I live on a farm.

Speaking of which
"What you'd like to see"
"What would be great"
"We're nearing a point where"

How many fucking decades of this shit do we have to hear about NFTs, crypto, blockchain, or whatever the fuck Web 3.0 BS it is? 2008 is when this shit started. 2008. It's 2023 now. 15 years. 15 fucking years of "nearing" it being something or "it'd be great if". Why ISN'T it?

Oh, because it's needlessly inefficient, not very useful, and overly complicated?
What use is Bitcoin? Why do I need a currency that me and the transactor need a fifty hour seminar on for how to use? It isn't "universal". It isn't "use on command", it's actually a very lengthy and tedious process to use. What use is it?

There HAS to be a track record of how much I have, how much they have, and that a transaction happened, or you literally can't use it. So the "decentralized" aspect doesn't exist. It's "decentralized" only when not used, but it's no better than imaginary money then. Once you recentralize it, it's just a brainless version of real money.

NFTs aren't any different. They will never be and CAN NEVER be anything other than someone claiming to own a possible hyperlink with the caveat that there is literally nothing you can do about the fact that the REAL OWNER of said hyperlink can shift it. You want your receipt? You can have it for now, but at some point it's going to be a picture of a dick and you're gonna say you own THAT.

Why not, hmm, oh gee I don't know, a fucking email? You own that better than any NFT and it's a great, documented paper trail. Quit doing illegal shit and you won't need your "receipt" to avoid official channels so much.

Game, music... wise it is probably because every company fights tooth and nail against imaginary losses for second hand/used sales and the courts have thus far pussed out on making a ruling, and legislature seems slow to act as well.
That said you can if you want. Would you like to buy this NFT of a picture I took? Sell it on like you bought a print of said same too if you like. If you have something interesting I might like to buy that as well. Now we have a marketplace for them.

Bitcoin uses. I seem to be able to use it to transact large volumes of money in fairly short order at fairly minimal cost (though increased some more than it was), and often answering far fewer questions. The seminar thing is hyperbole, not to mention there are those for "regular" money as well (as much as mortals ever speak to the Swift system then it is a nightmare that you need training to use). Much like we could be are own banks or just sign up to one that already did it and use theirs we could sign up to exchanges and send things that way too.

Ignoring cash (and I am certainly no fan of CBDCs) that sounds like double entry book keeping to me, something invented long ago and revolutionised business when it did.
The decentralised nature of it is that rather than some trusted entity (history having routinely shown those as fallible, and massive incentives to corrupt them, trick them and pervert them) you lean into everybody having a copy and cryptography being at its beating heart.

You keep saying hyperlink when in fact it is a file description in the form of a hash (something effectively unique to the file if done properly) that you own. The hyperlink, if any is provided, is a mere convenience.

Emails (preferably signed with RSA or something akin to it) for ownership, though they have basically all the same problems as everything else in that you need to establish a chain, possibly speak to a notary/lawyer if you live in a place that cares about such things. NFTs then serving as a database of ownership, like what various governments spend fortunes creating and maintaining.
 
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I don’t understand why art is worth anything. Can’t you just take a photo of the art and reduplicate it yourself? And dollar bills? We can just print them!

It’s all worthless!
 

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I don’t understand why art is worth anything. Can’t you just take a photo of the art and reduplicate it yourself? And dollar bills? We can just print them!

It’s all worthless!
There is, quite literally, no difference between Print Screening a picture and looking at it from imgur, or whatever image host it is using. You're acting profoundly stupid to goad me into flaming you. That's called flame baiting.

Surely you are not dumb enough to think a 100% replica with literally no difference in anything is not the same case as taking a picture with your camera of the Mona Lisa? Which will never be the same, ever?
 

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There is, quite literally, no difference between Print Screening a picture and looking at it from imgur, or whatever image host it is using. You're acting profoundly stupid to goad me into flaming you. That's called flame baiting.

Surely you are not dumb enough to think a 100% replica with literally no difference in anything is not the same case as taking a picture with your camera of the Mona Lisa? Which will never be the same, ever?

Why would you printscreen from imgur when you can download it, then pass it off as your own (assuming compression hasn't changed the original hash)? If only there was way to determine the original hash with date and time stamps and who "owns" the intellectual property.

You are underestimating the future of technology. Why wouldn't we be able to reproduce the Mona Lisa that meets your standard of "%100"? I'm inclined to believe you'd be able to be fooled with the current state of technology.

Also, printing dollars is pretty lucrative for some folks.
 
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Eh. Fight with pigs and you are going to get dirty. Fortunately I live on a farm.
“Most people rejected his message. They hated FAST because he told them the truth (in as many words as he possibly could).” - Tempians, 4:16

On the subject of notarising things, I do wonder if people involved in such professions can see the writing on the wall. What records will you keep if the records themselves start keeping a record? I suppose “learn2code” never gets old, really, but we’ll probably see similar push back we’re seeing now in the realm of AI-generated art. The same group of people that leveraged Photoshop for decades to touch up their craft is now complaining that computers are doing 99% of their job - it’s very amusing to watch. Everybody expected technology to displace the working class first. Boy, were they surprised when it turned out those “low skill” occupations were more essential than them.
 
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Notaries in the US might have it hard, though at the same time the amount of stuff they (and the legal profession at large) wormed they way into* that is a handshake agreement in Europe and Australia astounds me to this day so never say never on that one.

*people tell me the US is easier to do business in than Europe and (having lived among them for several months at times) in many ways it is (assuming you are not in New York or California of course, see also why they are having mass exoduses of large businesses) but in others you would never expect the aggravation you have to deal with is astounding. Might then be a case of what you are used to.

Outside it they will probably continue on doing wills, large physical asset transfers for which their £50 is barely going to cover the lorry driver scratching his balls waiting for everybody else to get sorted and insurances on all sides might sit better if they do (possibly getting a taste themselves or having a tame one on call), whatever they get involved in for land transfers (though that is a more specialist thing), trusts and all that would sit on the rest of a list like this.

That said it is the bottom up thing that has me curious as it will open up options for a lot lower level play, especially if escrow gets sorted, in such fields for which that £50 and a few hours to get it sorted makes things untenable but more than said handshake is needed. Will probably also be amazing for ratings for builders and such like.
 

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Notaries in the US might have it hard, though at the same time the amount of stuff they (and the legal profession at large) wormed they way into* that is a handshake agreement in Europe and Australia astounds me to this day so never say never on that one.

*people tell me the US is easier to do business in than Europe and (having lived among them for several months at times) in many ways it is (assuming you are not in New York or California of course, see also why they are having mass exoduses of large businesses) but in others you would never expect the aggravation you have to deal with is astounding. Might then be a case of what you are used to.

Outside it they will probably continue on doing wills, large physical asset transfers for which their £50 is barely going to cover the lorry driver scratching his balls waiting for everybody else to get sorted and insurances on all sides might sit better if they do (possibly getting a taste themselves or having a tame one on call), whatever they get involved in for land transfers (though that is a more specialist thing), trusts and all that would sit on the rest of a list like this.

That said it is the bottom up thing that has me curious as it will open up options for a lot lower level play, especially if escrow gets sorted, in such fields for which that £50 and a few hours to get it sorted makes things untenable but more than said handshake is needed. Will probably also be amazing for ratings for builders and such like.
It is quite astounding how small and insignificant things can require a stamp. That being said, a lot of those stamps are quite safely stored by the city council, and as we all know, no amount of technological progress or increase in efficiency can make the government shrink, so people in those professions will always have a pencil to push, just at a different desk.
 

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Why would you printscreen from imgur when you can download it, then pass it off as your own (assuming compression hasn't changed the original hash)? If only there was way to determine the original hash with date and time stamps and who "owns" the intellectual property.

You are underestimating the future of technology. Why wouldn't we be able to reproduce the Mona Lisa that meets your standard of "%100"? I'm inclined to believe you'd be able to be fooled with the current state of technology.

Also, printing dollars is pretty lucrative for some folks.
LOL "hashes" don't mean jack shit fuck or squat. No one sees a "hash" and that bullshit can easily be faked. You're that clown who tediously delays all downloads with md5 checksum bullshits even though md5 has been an utterly flawed and damaged "hash" check for... a long ass time.

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/166016/is-possible-to-fake-md5sum

Almost six years ago StackExchange regarded it as an out of date concept given how easy it was to fake.
No such thing as a secure "hash", nor is there any possible way to make one "secure". NOR IS THERE ANY POINT TO A "HASH" BECAUSE IT VERIFIES NOTHING. No one "sees" a hash, no one knows what a "hash" is, no one cares what a "hash" is, etc.

There is no "my standard of 100%" you fucking obtuse weasel and you know that.
That is like saying your typing of the world technology is different than me typing it. It. Is. The. Same. Fucking. Thing.

I'm seriously concerned for ancaps like you. Don't you have GME to be investing in? MOASS DIAMONDHANDS??????
 

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