Federal appeals court expands gun rights

lolcatzuru · Feb 5, 2023

Xzi said:
Except then the abuse victim often ends up convicted and jailed, making our laws entirely counter-productive. It's a little late to return to the wild West, much as certain people love to fantasize about it.

so to clarify you argument is, someone who wasnt able to make a grown up responsible decision gets punished, i can see why you dont like it. similarly, i dont know about that, your buddy bloomy cast an awful lot of doubt on that,and if you include your guys attacking night clubs, and crime in major democrat cities, seems like it already is, though not for you, you dont live in the US remember?

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Dinomite said:
If someone makes an accusation when filing a petition for a protective order, the judge will issue a temporary restraining order until the date of the hearing. So yes, it does require a simple accusation.

its pretty incredible watching people with warped and often diluted perspectives not understand the laws they think they are pros at.

Xzi · Feb 5, 2023

lolcatzuru said:
so to clarify you argument is, someone who wasnt able to make a grown up responsible decision gets punished, i can see why you dont like it.

What the fuck are you talking about? First you support the idea of abuse victims having the right to shoot and kill their attackers, but now you believe they should be punished for it? Pick a lane. Personally I think it's better the law be written to take away abusers' guns before they have the opportunity to escalate to murderers.

lolcatzuru said:
you dont live in the US remember?

Not this shit again, I thought that theory of yours was dispelled when I gave you those fetish pics of my electrical outlets you asked for. Maybe whatever drugs you're on have affected your memory?

wartutor · Feb 5, 2023

MariArch said:
Ok bad examples, but an instance I can think of is that NY and CA conceal carry challenge from this summer. They could’ve easily said constitutional carry is the law of the land and it would’ve been constitutionally coherent (and probably favored by the population writ large), but instead they just sort of skirted around the issue. Dunno why they don’t have the balls to protect our rights as much as they possibly can.

For a court to make such a decision effectively making the decision for every state (instead of letting the states decide like they should) they would need grounds that cant be thrown out by another court because they overstepped their authority. Example is someone in kentucky decides to ban abortion completely setting the law of the land as you call it. How would that go over.

Edit because i quoted the wrong person.

TraderPatTX · Feb 5, 2023

Xzi said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I want the laws to be consistent, which means taking guns away from abusive police officers just the same. And since we know far too many judges play buddy-buddy with cops, making convicting them exponentially more difficult, a restraining order obtained against them on grounds of domestic violence should prove they aren't responsible enough to own firearms. Therefore limiting them to desk jobs or, preferably, removing them from the force altogether.

This is one area where Biden has been weak, given that he promised a police misconduct database and hasn't delivered.

Who is gonna take guns away from abusive police officers? Other police officers? LOL! You guys are funny with your childish dreams.

Not sure if you noticed, but Biden is unwilling to even defend our airspace. He allowed a major global power to send a balloon to fly over nuclear sites and military bases before finally shooting it down once it got done with it's mission. The left defends Ukraine more than the US homeland.

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Nothereed said:
Formerly before this stupid court case. It was illegal.
Have fun spinning yourself into a pretzel

I'm not the one in a pretzel. You are the one who thinks cops are white supremacists but want the same cops to go confiscate guns. The funny part about all of this is that you can't even defend your position. That's how messed up it is. Just like all of your other positions that you can't defend.

lolcatzuru · Feb 5, 2023

Xzi said:
What the fuck are you talking about? First you support the idea of abuse victims having the right to shoot and kill their attackers, but now you believe they should be punished for it? Pick a lane. Personally I think it's better the law be written to take away abusers' guns before they have the opportunity to escalate to murderers.

Not this shit again, I thought that theory of yours was dispelled when I gave you those fetish pics of my electrical outlets you asked for. Maybe whatever drugs you're on have affected your memory?

i dont take drugs, im not a coward.

1. I believe in the most important thing " no be there"

2. what shit? you have lied about it numerous times to win arguments, I've even incentivized you regarding it and everytime you ignore the post and just say " oh i couldnt figure it out" or " you didn't see it" so if thats how its gonna be, thats shits gonna continue to be a thing, sorry mate.

Zdelrod829 · Feb 5, 2023

Xzi said:
Not this shit again, I thought that theory of yours was dispelled when I gave you those fetish pics of my electrical outlets you asked for. Maybe whatever drugs you're on have affected your memory?

First off, I don't even want to know. Secondly, people are more likely to stick with their already formed opinions.

lolcatzuru said:
2. what shit? you have lied about it numerous times to win arguments, I've even incentivized you regarding it and everytime you ignore the post and just say " oh i couldnt figure it out" or " you didn't see it" so if thats how its gonna be, thats shits gonna continue to be a thing, sorry mate.

You giving Xzi these responses is just giving him ammunition. Let him talk shit. You are letting him get into your head, and by doing so, you are letting him win.

Can you both agree to disagree and be done? You guys don't need to act this way. You both are obviously grown adults. Act like one.

Hanafuda · Feb 5, 2023

Related:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ba...s-unconstitutional-us-judge-rules-2023-02-04/

TraderPatTX · Feb 5, 2023

Hanafuda said:
Related:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ba...s-unconstitutional-us-judge-rules-2023-02-04/

There was concern about this when Florida passed medicinal marijuana laws. How would they treat people who have a medical card and a concealed carry license. Between this and Florida moving towards Constitutional carry kind of makes it a moot point.

Hanafuda · Feb 5, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
There was concern about this when Florida passed medicinal marijuana laws. How would they treat people who have a medical card and a concealed carry license. Between this and Florida moving towards Constitutional carry kind of makes it a moot point.

It's a Federal issue, regardless of whether a state has legalized (medical or recreational). When you purchase a firearm, you have to complete the ATF form 4473 which asks, among other things, if you are "an unlawful user of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances (including medical marijuana)." This new federal decision just exempted marijuana use, whether legal or not, from the question. But the fed. govt. will probably appeal it, and the ATF sure isn't gonna be in a hurry to amend that form in the meantime.

TraderPatTX · Feb 5, 2023

Hanafuda said:
It's a Federal issue, regardless of whether a state has legalized (medical or recreational). When you purchase a firearm, you have to complete the ATF form 4473 which asks, among other things, if you are "an unlawful user of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances (including medical marijuana)." This new federal decision just exempted marijuana use, whether legal or not, from the question. But the fed. govt. will probably appeal it, and the ATF sure isn't gonna be in a hurry to amend that form in the meantime.

The ATF needs to stop trying to make law. That is outside of their purview.

lolcatzuru · Feb 5, 2023

Zdelrod829 said:
First off, I don't even want to know. Secondly, people are more likely to stick with their already formed opinions.

You giving Xzi these responses is just giving him ammunition. Let him talk shit. You are letting him get into your head, and by doing so, you are letting him win.

Can you both agree to disagree and be done? You guys don't need to act this way. You both are obviously grown adults. Act like one.

i will respectfully disagree with you, he isnt getting into my head at all honestly i forget i even makes posts here most of the time, some random troll is not a significant thought nor will he ever be.

wartutor · Feb 5, 2023

Hanafuda said:
It's a Federal issue, regardless of whether a state has legalized (medical or recreational). When you purchase a firearm, you have to complete the ATF form 4473 which asks, among other things, if you are "an unlawful user of or are addicted to narcotics or any other controlled substances (including medical marijuana)." This new federal decision just exempted marijuana use, whether legal or not, from the question. But the fed. govt. will probably appeal it, and the ATF sure isn't gonna be in a hurry to amend that form in the meantime.

Why do you seam to have an issue with Marijuana use and never once mention the fact that nowhere in there does it ask if your an alcoholic as drunks are more likely to shoot up a place than the stoner sittin on the couch eatting cheetoes.

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
Who is gonna take guns away from abusive police officers? Other police officers? LOL! You guys are funny with your childish dreams.

It's already happened a number of times in the few states with red flag laws, though it doesn't surprise me you're supportive of abusive police officers keeping their guns.

TraderPatTX said:
Not sure if you noticed, but Biden is unwilling to even defend our airspace. He allowed a major global power to send a balloon to fly over nuclear sites and military bases before finally shooting it down once it got done with it's mission. The left defends Ukraine more than the US homeland.

Firstly, wrong thread. Secondly, the device was being jammed the entire time before being shot down, unlike the ones Trump let gather data on us and kept secret from the public. Thirdly, Biden is a capitalist, and therefore not a leftist.

x65943 · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
It's already happened a number of times in the few states with red flag laws, though it doesn't surprise me you're supportive of abusive police officers keeping their guns.

Firstly, wrong thread. Secondly, the device was being jammed the entire time before being shot down, unlike the ones Trump let gather data on us and kept secret from the public. Thirdly, Biden is a capitalist, and therefore not a leftist.

How do you know we didn't jam those? Seems like a weird idea not to jam it if we knew it was there and has the capability

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

x65943 said:
How do you know we didn't jam those? Seems like a weird idea not to jam it if we knew it was there and has the capability

Because Trump would've made a big public show of claiming credit for being tough on China, just like he made everything else about pumping up his own ego. The fact that he kept them secret means he didn't want the public to know he was letting China spy on us. Probably as a favor in return for all the beauty supplies contracts they gave to Ivanka.

x65943 · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
Because Trump would've made a big public show of claiming credit for being tough on China, just like he made everything else about pumping up his own ego. The fact that he kept them secret means he didn't want the public to know he was letting China spy on us. Probably as a favor in return for all the beauty supplies contracts they gave to Ivanka.

So totally unsubstantiated? Uh alright

You should aim to be objective

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

x65943 said:
So totally unsubstantiated? Uh alright

You should aim to be objective

Objectively, Trump allowed three spy balloons to pass over the US in secret and unimpeded. Objectively, the public was kept informed about the only balloon to pass over during the Biden administration, we know it was jammed and then shot down.

Objectively, most of us can put two and two together.

x65943 · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
Objectively, Trump allowed three spy balloons to pass over the US in secret and unimpeded. Objectively, the public was kept informed about the only balloon to pass over during the Biden administration, we know it was jammed and then shot down.

Right but you shouldn't add in bits like you did earlier is all

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

x65943 said:
Right but you shouldn't add in bits like you did earlier is all

I'm not going to pretend to wear blinders when it comes to suspicious activity from elected officials. Objectively, Ivanka Trump was unqualified to be given any job in the federal government, and objectively, she was granted special favors by the Chinese government. I'd not make excuses for Hunter Biden if he were in that position, I'd demand investigations.

Hanafuda · Feb 6, 2023

wartutor said:
Why do you seam to have an issue with Marijuana use and never once mention the fact that nowhere in there does it ask if your an alcoholic as drunks are more likely to shoot up a place than the stoner sittin on the couch eatting cheetoes.

Are you addressing that to me? I support MJ legalization and think this judge issued a great decision, and I 100% agree that depriving people of their rights over use of a recreational drug while completely ignoring alcohol and alcoholism is ridiculous.

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