US to give Ukraine long range missiles

Xzi · Feb 5, 2023

Mythrandir said:
Except Ukrainians are not the only victims of the war. Russians are also victims.

Correct, they're all victims of Putin first and foremost. He's putting all of them in a situation they needn't be in, solely for selfish and degenerate reasons. Over a hundred thousand Russians (mostly ethnic minorities) dead to the meatgrinder, and over a hundred thousand that have fled their home country to avoid Putin's draft. Given the vast number of refugees from both nations, he's caused an international incident which has consequences that reach far beyond the borders of Russia and Ukraine alone. Yet some people foolishly still wonder why the West feels the need to get involved, even indirectly.

lolcatzuru · Feb 5, 2023

x65943 said:
No one is claiming Russians are not human

All we want is Russia to stop its illegal occupation of a sovereign nation, its mass bombing of civilian infrastructure and its continued illegal war and invasion - and to respect international law and leave Ukraine

well, it would end a whole lot sooner if we didnt get involved.

stanna · Feb 5, 2023

Leave them to it, no help for anyone.

Jayro · Feb 5, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
Meanwhile, the southern border is wide open...

Thanks a lot, Biden Administration.

Not really. And that's like one of the most back burner issues that isn't even that big of a deal. The only thing that could happen from us having an open southern border is seeing more Mexican people living and thriving around you. Oh, the horrors... :rolleyes:

*jerking off motion*

titan_tim · Feb 5, 2023

lolcatzuru said:
well, it would end a whole lot sooner if we didnt get involved.

Not a good idea to let a foreign ally get taken over. There are a lot of other allied countries that would trust the US a lot less if they sat back.

This has been a huge win for the US.
Basically no US troop casualties.
It's been a huge drain on the Russian military.
Ukraine is even more likely to get accepted into NATO.
Most of all, it makes Putin look (even more) like the weak leader that he always was. He knows now that he'll never be able to achieve his dream of reuniting the former soviet union.

mrdude · Feb 5, 2023

titan_tim said:
Not a good idea to let a foreign ally get taken over. There are a lot of other allied countries that would trust the US a lot less if they sat back.

This has been a huge win for the US.
Basically no US troop casualties.
It's been a huge drain on the Russian military.
Ukraine is even more likely to get accepted into NATO.
Most of all, it makes Putin look (even more) like the weak leader that he always was. He knows now that he'll never be able to achieve his dream of reuniting the former soviet union.

This is a joke post right, for one Ukraine is not your Ally & it never was. Cast your mind back to around a year and a half ago - we saw how the USA treated it's allies, it abandoned them in the middle of the night in Afghanistan and left them to their own fate - many Afghans that were helping the US have now been murdered. You didn't even tell the British you were leaving and left us to try and rescue people in Kabul so we could get them to the Airport to evacuate them. Your current president removed the bust/statue of Winston Churchill (A WW2 prime minister) from the oval office on his first day on the job - this is how you treat your allies, and the entire world saw that.

Even in your post - let me quote "This has been a huge win for the US", this war is about Ukraine and Russia, and all you think about is the US, which is typical of you. Ukraine will never get in to NATO - firstly, it's too corrupt, secondly there won't be much of a Ukraine left once this war finishes and Russia would never accept that. If you think Putin looks like a weak leader, you really out to take a look at how the world see's Biden and Harris - these are two of the most pathetic leaders in the history of US presidents/vp's.

Xzi · Feb 5, 2023

mrdude said:
Ukraine will never get in to NATO - firstly, it's too corrupt, secondly there won't be much of a Ukraine left once this war finishes and Russia would never accept that.

Firstly, this war has forced Putin's corrupt goons hiding within positions of power in Ukraine to reveal themselves, making them easy to get rid of. Secondly, who gives a shit what Russia will "allow" when their military has proven itself to be in shambles and without proper training or modern armaments, let alone a functioning chain of command.

mrdude said:
If you think Putin looks like a weak leader, you really out to take a look at how the world see's Biden and Harris

Putin is losing to a military 1/12th the size of his own, and all it took to accomplish that was the weaponry the US and NATO had leftover for garage sales. If he thought there was any weakness he could take advantage of, he would've deployed chemical or nuclear weapons months ago. Instead he's cowering in a bunker somewhere far away from his own people while constantly issuing new mobilization orders, because he knows he'd be dead inside of a week if he attempted to escalate things in that manner. No amount of shirtless pictures on horseback can make him appear competent or confident now.

titan_tim · Feb 5, 2023

mrdude said:
Ukraine is not your Ally & it never was

They've been lobbying to get Ukraine in NATO since George W, and continually giving them money for military for years. If you don't believe that's an ally, then I couldn't care any less. Also, I'm not an American, so you can "toss off" with that. I think that's the proper vernacular...

You think Afghanistan was a US ally!? Wow, that's quite a dream you have there! Not many allies where you get shot at in the streets. The withdrawal was in the works since Trump. It was just left till last minute for reasons I can't imagine. I think it's even funnier that you try to make the UK sound like some poor "sod" that got left behind. Poor UK! I'm sure they've never left a country to be overrun after your ocupation. Oh wait....

And you're angry that a bust was removed? Sensitive about little things aren't we? How about this: For the next prime minister that takes over for the UK, they can take out any bust of a US president found in 10 Downing street. Sounds fair? Judging by the PM turnover rate, that may be sooner than later.

this war is about Ukraine and Russia, and all you think about is the US, which is typical of you.

As previously mentioned: Not an American. Just stating the facts of the situation. This whole thing has been good for the US. If Biden sat there and let it happen, the US would look weak, and the GOP would have a field day. If Biden sent in troops, the GOP would be all over him. This is the best outcome for him.

mrdude · Feb 5, 2023

Xzi said:
Firstly, this war has forced Putin's corrupt goons hiding within positions of power in Ukraine to reveal themselves, making them easy to get rid of. Secondly, who gives a shit what Russia will "allow" when their military has proven itself to be in shambles and without proper training or modern armaments, let alone a functioning chain of command.

Putin is losing to a military 1/12th the size of his own, and all it took to accomplish that was the weaponry the US and NATO had leftover for garage sales. If he thought there was any weakness he could take advantage of, he would've deployed chemical or nuclear weapons months ago. Instead he's cowering in a bunker somewhere far away from his own people while constantly issuing new mobilization orders, because he knows he'd be dead inside of a week if he attempted to escalate things in that manner. No amount of shirtless pictures on horseback can make him appear competent or confident now.

Haha, you really believe that don't you. You've been watching/reading too much MSM. I'll pop back in a few months time and laugh at this post.

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titan_tim said:
You think Afghanistan was a US ally!? Wow, that's quite a dream you have there!

I never said they were, numbskull. However the American installed president and the Agfhan interpreteres and Afghan Army that had been trained up by US/UK and others probably didn't think the USA would run away in the middle of the night without any warning and leave them to fate. It was also a surprise for the UK with was the USA strongest ally, so go figure.

titan_tim · Feb 5, 2023

I never said they were, numbskull.

Sigh.... once again, the UK complaining about leaving an occupied country is laughable.

Deleted member 194275 · Feb 5, 2023

titan_tim said:
Not a good idea to let a foreign ally get taken over. There are a lot of other allied countries that would trust the US a lot less if they sat back.

but USA did just that with Afghanistan.

titan_tim · Feb 5, 2023

lokomelo said:
but USA did just that with Afghanistan.

Afghanistan isn't an ally. It was an occupied territory. A sinkhole that wasted tons of money, and killed thousands of US soldiers. I would never defend their insane speed at which they got out, but it was still a better move than staying. It'll be remembered in history like Vietnam is today.

Deleted member 194275 · Feb 5, 2023

titan_tim said:
Afghanistan isn't an ally. It was an occupied territory. A sinkhole that wasted tons of money, and killed thousands of US soldiers. I would never defend their insane speed at which they got out, but it was still a better move than staying. It'll be remembered in history like Vietnam is today.

240,000+ locals were killed, lots of those were civilians (40,000+) and lots were CIA contractors fighting for USA (and militias armed by CIA), aka allies. The 2021 Afghan government were US allied. After piles of body USA said: "nah... it's too expansive, we're out, let's make a speech blaming the victims, pretend that we did lot lose and call it a day".

Now Putin is doing the same on Ukraine, but wait! Its not the same at all, now it is not the USA the aggressor, so its totally outrageous from day 1. Oh, and yeah, Russia is loosing badly too, it will run out supplies "next week" since January 2022. If you disagree, is because of the fabulous Russian propaganda, that, as we all know, is the great world power in marketing and advertisement.

TraderPatTX · Feb 5, 2023

I wish we had a president who was willing to defend US airspace and borders with as much or more dedication as defending Ukraine's airspace and borders.

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lokomelo said:
240,000+ locals were killed, lots of those were civilians (40,000+) and lots were CIA contractors fighting for USA (and militias armed by CIA), aka allies. The 2021 Afghan government were US allied. After piles of body USA said: "nah... it's too expansive, we're out, let's make a speech blaming the victims, pretend that we did lot lose and call it a day".

Now Putin is doing the same on Ukraine, but wait! Its not the same at all, now it is not the USA the aggressor, so its totally outrageous from day 1. Oh, and yeah, Russia is loosing badly too, it will run out supplies "next week" since January 2022. If you disagree, is because of the fabulous Russian propaganda, that, as we all know, is the great world power in marketing and advertisement.

This is a reminder that Putin has been on his deathbed for over a month now and the Ghost of Kiev is killing Russians unabated. Oh, and the Azov battalion are definitely not nazis, *wink wink*.

VirgilMobile · Feb 5, 2023

mrdude said:
Enough of the we, So when are YOU going to go anywhere and fight? Or do you just expect others to do that???

YOU won't go to Ukraine, because it's not your country, it's also not a NATO member and has never paid any money into NATO and really is none of your business. There's also these conflicts going on in the world just now if you want to get on your high horse about world injustices, so pack your bags, get over there and tell us all about it if you make it home:

Ukraine/Russia - war
Afghanistan-civil war & terrorist insurgency
Burkina Faso-terrorist insurgency
Colombia-civil war/drug war
DR Congo-terrorist insurgency
Ethiopia-civil war
Iraq-terrorist insurgency & political unrest
Mali-civil war & terrorist insurgency
Mexico-drug war
Nigeria-terrorist insurgency
Somalia-civil war
South Sudan-ethnic violence
Sudan-terrorist insurgency
Syria-civil war
Yemen-civil war

However I won't be holding my breath on waiting for your return from any of those places, because we all know you won't go anywhere - wars are for other people, you can stick to your PS4/5, XBOX or Switch and play some war games because that's about as close as you're going to get to a war unless you get called up when Russia get pissed off with your interfering and decide it's just going to nuke you.

Not a fan of American imperialism nor of America itself, but why should we cry about those worthless countries being destroyed?

Deleted member 194275 · Feb 5, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
I wish we had a president who was willing to defend US airspace and borders with as much or more dedication as defending Ukraine's airspace and borders.

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This is a reminder that Putin has been on his deathbed for over a month now and the Ghost of Kiev is killing Russians unabated. Oh, and the Azov battalion are definitely not nazis, *wink wink*.

oh yes! I forgot the cancer man! US and UK officials already found so many cancers on Putin that they are almost opening oncology hospitals. Private hospitals mind you.

About Azov battalion, now without joke or irony, right I don't have an opinion about that. It may or may not be desperation at this moment, it's a war after all. Armenians used Nazis in the past because they were desperate, not because they loved Hitler. (Side note, USA never helped Armenia against Azerbaijan one year before the Ukraine war broke out, I wonder why).

Now after the war is over, if Ukraine hang medals on Nazi necks and give Nazis political power, then I'll change my mind.

TraderPatTX · Feb 5, 2023

lokomelo said:
oh yes! I forgot the cancer man! US and UK officials already found so many cancers on Putin that they are almost opening oncology hospitals. Private hospitals mind you.

About Azov battalion, now without joke or irony, right I don't have an opinion about that. It may or may not be desperation at this moment, it's a war after all. Armenians used Nazis in the past because they were desperate, not because they loved Hitler. (Side note, USA never helped Armenia against Azerbaijan one year before the Ukraine war broke out, I wonder why).

Now after the war is over, if Ukraine hang medals on Nazi necks and give Nazis political power, then I'll change my mind.

I just find it strange that the anti-war left has joined up with the neocons to send money and weapons to nazis. And no matter how close we keep inching towards a nuclear holocaust, they persist. I think all of their previous rhetoric of being anti-war and pro-environmentalism was a bunch of malarkey.

Deleted member 194275 · Feb 5, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
I just find it strange that the anti-war left has joined up with the neocons to send money and weapons to nazis. And no matter how close we keep inching towards a nuclear holocaust, they persist. I think all of their previous rhetoric of being anti-war and pro-environmentalism was a bunch of malarkey.

for me, since that ultra unfair and imperialist Joe Biden speech over Afghanistan defeat I realized that people here on Latin America who claim that the USA is a single party regime disguised were not wrong at all. Both parties are so fucking similar, defending the very same social segments, with the same aggressive imperialist behavior.

Before the election I was naively expecting that the World would end up more united with the blessing of the all might USA, but no, it's getting worse year after year since forever. They are poking China now, so when the Ukraine war overs (hopefully soon), USA already has another war to sponsor.

It's sad, because I always liked US Democracy internally, the thought was: "they bring hell to every corner of the World, but inside it is a democratic heaven". Turns out it's not really a democracy, but the heaven part is real, it just is highly dependent of your income, color, gender and sexual orientation.

LainaGabranth · Feb 5, 2023

Anyone else notice how the right wing criticism of the Ukraine shit is that imperialism is okay?

lolcatzuru · Feb 5, 2023

titan_tim said:
Not a good idea to let a foreign ally get taken over. There are a lot of other allied countries that would trust the US a lot less if they sat back.

This has been a huge win for the US.
Basically no US troop casualties.
It's been a huge drain on the Russian military.
Ukraine is even more likely to get accepted into NATO.
Most of all, it makes Putin look (even more) like the weak leader that he always was. He knows now that he'll never be able to achieve his dream of reuniting the former soviet union.

is the UN an ally? did your guys publish dozens are articles about the ukraine being corrupt?

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