GOP proves they don't actually care about states rights [against interstate travel for abortion]

supermist · Feb 2, 2023

Both sides is a nonsense statement when statistically, 93% of the BLM protests were without incident, and of the 7% that weren't, there were a number of verified incidents where right wingers were behind it. Supported by arrests and court dates.

Also food for thought. A bit of an older article but it's probable the statistics have shifted further towards the right given stuff like January 6th: https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/

sombrerosonic · Feb 2, 2023

supermist said:
Both sides is a nonsense statement when statistically, 93% of the BLM protests were without incident, and of the 7% that weren't, there were a number of verified incidents where right wingers were behind it. Supported by arrests and court dates.

Also food for thought. A bit of an older article but it's probable the statistics have shifted further towards the right given stuff like January 6th: https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/

A little food for though here, instead of saying my side can't do any bad is Bullshit.

The laptop was real, and now he's pissed that it was leaked and now is trying to bring down the other partys. A Quick google search helped, or should we talk about several Biden sniffing incidents? How about when biden closed the Oil line and made the gas go up by a fuck ton? If you don't know, those were bad things.

TraderPatTX · Feb 2, 2023

MFDC12 said:
No, you are completely missing my point about ML and MLMs, and you have a very broad definition of leftism that includes liberals, who are not leftists by definition (say it after me: capitalism is inherently not leftist and being a capitalist or supporting capitalism completely excludes you from being a leftist).

I totally agree with you. I consider myself a classical liberal, before progressives bastardized that word.

MFDC12 said:
And you didn't answer my question which was the main point of even me feeling the urge to even respond to your initial comment in the first place.

Unless

Is your answer in which case, anarchism is not right wing, and anarcho-capitalists aren't anarchist because capital existing is inherently hierarchical by nature.

If the further right you go, the smaller you believe the government should be, then yes, anarchists would be the extreme far right. And they would have to be capitalists since capitalism does not require a government. I could trade you a lamb for goat and that would be capitalism.

MFDC12 said:
Neither me or CatBoy are not ancaps, either. Not to mention, right wing politics exists outside the US and the right wing in other countries really aren't "believing" in our constitution and to think so is just absurd.

I don't speak for other countries. Their leftists in government are a lot more honest than our leftists in government. And the right wing in other countries are different than here in the US with the common thread of wanting less government control. It's why we are seeing protests in France, Belgium, Brazil, Peru, China and Iran. People are fed up having their rights trampled on. And the left all around the world call those protesters fascists and racists and whatever other lie they can make up.

I'm just sitting back and enjoying the movie play out before us.

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supermist said:
Both sides is a nonsense statement when statistically, 93% of the BLM protests were without incident, and of the 7% that weren't, there were a number of verified incidents where right wingers were behind it. Supported by arrests and court dates.

Also food for thought. A bit of an older article but it's probable the statistics have shifted further towards the right given stuff like January 6th: https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/

January 6th was mostly peaceful also, but different standards apply there and now we can see the two-tiered justice system in broad daylight.

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KingVamp said:
Pro-life except when it comes to healthcare, climate change and mass shootings.

Wants to force people to have children, yet doesn't want to take any responsibility for doing so.

Explain what is the point of the right to healthcare or free speech if you are not alive? Are rights just for a selection of people? Do black babies, who are aborted at an alarming rate not deserving of such rights? If not, why?

supermist · Feb 2, 2023

If you think January 6 was "mostly peaceful" you're legitimately living in a different reality and discourse really is impossible with someone taking that stance

sombrerosonic · Feb 2, 2023

supermist said:
If you think January 6 was "mostly peaceful" you're legitimately living in a different reality and discourse really is impossible with someone taking that stance

A little tip on here, its best to quote the post when your arguing, you can quote by hitting the reply button on the bottom right corner of the post, it also has a like button as well if you think this post is good.

MFDC12 · Feb 2, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
I totally agree with you. I consider myself a classical liberal, before progressives bastardized that word.

No, you don't agree with me, you truly don't. Progressives are not leftists either. We have no leftists in power in the USA. Progressives are center-right at best - yes, that includes bernie.

TraderPatTX said:
If the further right you go, the smaller you believe the government should be, then yes, anarchists would be the extreme far right. And they would have to be capitalists since capitalism does not require a government. I could trade you a lamb for goat and that would be capitalism.

No, that is not really what defines left or right. And that is not how anarchism operates. Please read, even though I know you will not, those two books I linked you previously. Here is another good resource. Until we come to terms on what a) anarchism actually is b) what left-right means, we will never come to terms so I'm just going to stop here. If you want to talk again, please read what anarchism is actually about, or theory, because this conversation is going nowehere.

TraderPatTX · Feb 2, 2023

supermist said:
If you think January 6 was "mostly peaceful" you're legitimately living in a different reality and discourse really is impossible with someone taking that stance

Nothing was burned down. The only people killed were the protesters themselves. Only lasted a few hours.

BLM burned down entire neighborhoods and black businesses and murdered dozens of people. Law enforcement officers were attacked relentlessly for an entire summer.

Looks like I'm the one who is living in reality.

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MFDC12 said:
No, you don't agree with me, you truly don't. Progressives are not leftists either. We have no leftists in power in the USA. Progressives are center-right at best - yes, that includes bernie.

I like how you people keep saying there are no leftists in the USA and how everybody on the left, regardless if they are full blown socialists are "center-right".

MFDC12 said:
No, that is not really what defines left or right. And that is not how anarchism operates. Please read, even though I know you will not, those two books I linked you previously. Here is another good resource. Until we come to terms on what a) anarchism actually is b) what left-right means, we will never come to terms so I'm just going to stop here. If you want to talk again, please read what anarchism is actually about, or theory, because this conversation is going nowehere.

I'm not the one who has to keep changing the definition of words. I use words in the classical sense to describe people and the world. If you have to change words, you are already losing the debate.

supermist · Feb 3, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
Nothing was burned down. The only people killed were the protesters themselves. Only lasted a few hours.

BLM burned down entire neighborhoods and black businesses and murdered dozens of people. Law enforcement officers were attacked relentlessly for an entire summer.

Looks like I'm the one who is living in reality.

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I like how you people keep saying there are no leftists in the USA and how everybody on the left, regardless if they are full blown socialists are "center-right".

I'm not the one who has to keep changing the definition of words. I use words in the classical sense to describe people and the world. If you have to change words, you are already losing the debate.

Except I already posted verified data that debunks the racist talking point of "BLM burning down neighborhoods and cities" A number of those incidents were once again, verified to be right wing agitators.

I know I'm repeating myself at this point, but people like you need the repetition so that it hopefully commits to memory

sombrerosonic · Feb 3, 2023

supermist said:
Except I already posted verified data that debunks the racist talking point of "BLM burning down neighborhoods and cities" A number of those incidents were once again, verified to be right wing agitators.

I know I'm repeating myself at this point, but people like you need the repetition so that it hopefully commits to memory

Wasn't they're video of them burning down citys???? as well as them storming Oklahoma's capitol???? It puts a damper on the movement as a hole.

BLM was for stopping Police on Black and Black on Black Violence. NOT FOR RIOTING!!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14728203/blm-storms-oklahoma-state-capitol/

TraderPatTX · Feb 3, 2023

supermist said:
Except I already posted verified data that debunks the racist talking point of "BLM burning down neighborhoods and cities" A number of those incidents were once again, verified to be right wing agitators.

LOL!! Those crazy, nonexistent right wing agitators. Interesting how the agitator narrative only goes in one direction.

supermist said:
I know I'm repeating myself at this point, but people like you need the repetition so that it hopefully commits to memory

You're gonna believe what you want to believe because you have many years of emotion invested in the propaganda. Seeing the truth is gonna be hard for you, but instead of being a dick like you currently are, I'm gonna be nice and help you through the deprogramming process.

supermist · Feb 3, 2023

Please anyone, provide names of people charged, arrested, court dates, etc of BLM who did the things you are all claiming.

I am holding you all to the same standard I held myself to as I have provided verified examples of right wingers behind the actual violence.

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sombrerosonic said:
Wasn't they're video of them burning down citys???? as well as them storming Oklahoma's capitol???? It puts a damper on the movement as a hole.

BLM was for stopping Police on Black and Black on Black Violence. NOT FOR RIOTING!!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14728203/blm-storms-oklahoma-state-capitol/

In the very article you posted, there's no violence or destruction of property mentioned. Just people exercising their first amendment rights.

This gives off energy that you googled something without actually reading it and hoped it would support your claim.

It didn't.

TraderPatTX · Feb 3, 2023

supermist said:
Please anyone, provide names of people charged, arrested, court dates, etc of BLM who did the things you are all claiming.

I am holding you all to the same standard I held myself to as I have provided verified examples of right wingers behind the actual violence.

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In the very article you posted, there's no violence or destruction of property mentioned. Just people exercising their first amendment rights.

This gives off energy that you googled something without actually reading it and hoped it would support your claim.

It didn't.

10 seconds. It took me 10 seconds.

https://news.yahoo.com/six-antifa-extremists-arrested-charged-151301053.html

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/steph...ain-david-dorn-during-st-louis-riots-in-2020/

supermist · Feb 3, 2023

First article yes, we have 6 charges. Statistically, left wing extremism does account for 2% of extremist violence in the US so we would expect that.

Second article is just your assumption that the looter is left wing where in this instance it seems to be apolitical. 24% of extremist violence in the US is apolitical.

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So again, some simple elementary school level math backed by articles and verified sources I've already posted in this thread. A TLDR summary if you will.

Right wing extremism accounts for 74% of extremist violence in the US.

Left wing extremism accounts for 2% of extremist violence in tht US.

24% of extremist violence in the US is apolitical.

Of the BLM protests, 93% have been peaceful and 7% are verified not to be.

Again, with simple math (and I've provided numerous examples already), 74% of the violence at occurred at the 7% of non peaceful BLM gatherings would statistically be caused by right wingers.

These are numbers. If you wanna debate the hard figures I guess have fun. This isn't a difficult concept for anyone who paid attention in 5th grade algebra. Just saying.

sombrerosonic · Feb 3, 2023

supermist said:
In the very article you posted, there's no violence or destruction of property mentioned. Just people exercising their first amendment rights.

This gives off energy that you googled something without actually reading it and hoped it would support your claim.

It didn't.

I'll amit my failure on this part.

This dosen't justify however that you defending people who have done shitty things to other people. BLM, MAGA, or ANTIFA shouldn't get a pass on being shitty no matter what.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3123181/hundreds-blm-rioters-looters-vandals-charges-dropped/

supermist · Feb 3, 2023

sombrerosonic said:
I'll amit my failure on this part.

This dosen't justify however that you defending people who have done shitty things to other people. BLM, MAGA, or ANTIFA shouldn't get a pass on being shitty no matter what.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3123181/hundreds-blm-rioters-looters-vandals-charges-dropped/

Please point out where I'm defending them. I'm not. I'm merely stating (correctly that I might add) that right wingers are the violent ones we need to be most concerned about and I backed this with sufficient, verifiable data.

I never said that left wingers don't commit violence but I will say that statistically, left wing violence falls into statistical outlier territory.

The individuals who are continuing to argue with me after I've posted the data are unfortunately a lost cause who won't be swayed because cognitive dissonance is a real thing.

I did decide to post all that I did for the benefit of others. There isn't much to say beyond this point other than agree to disagree, even if those people are objectively wrong.

Which sucks, because their believing this false rhetoric contributes to the issue.

sombrerosonic · Feb 3, 2023

supermist said:
Please point out where I'm defending them. I'm not. I'm merely stating (correctly that I might add) that right wingers are the violent ones we need to be most concerned about and I backed this with sufficient, verifiable data.

Both sides cause riots and hell. The last huge ass right wing riot i've seen is the jan 6 thing (and i barely was). The left has caused Several riots just in 2020 alone. from the BLM riots to Antifa.

We should focus on lowering the huge ass Political Shitstorm that was caused back in 2016 and has continued on for 7 YEARS from BOTH SIDES instead of the ONE side.

Yes i would love everyone to be treated the same under law and in the world. but if you focus on one side, you forget about the other sides being dicks.

TraderPatTX · Feb 3, 2023

supermist said:
First article yes, we have 6 charges. Statistically, left wing extremism does account for 2% of extremist violence in the US so we would expect that.

Nice walk back. I would say 99% of violent crime in places like Chicago, Baltimore, NYC, Seattle, Portland, LA and San Francisco are left wing violence. Oh, and this literally just happened.

https://news.yahoo.com/jersey-republican-councilwoman-shot-death-125059930.html

supermist said:
Second article is just your assumption that the looter is left wing where in this instance it seems to be apolitical. 24% of extremist violence in the US is apolitical.

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So again, some simple elementary school level math backed by articles and verified sources I've already posted in this thread. A TLDR summary if you will.

Looters are leftwing. People on the right work for a living. It's the reason we are on the right.

supermist said:
Right wing extremism accounts for 74% of extremist violence in the US.

Doubt that

supermist said:
Left wing extremism accounts for 2% of extremist violence in tht US.

Double doubt that

supermist said:
24% of extremist violence in the US is apolitical.

Triple doubt that

supermist said:
Of the BLM protests, 93% have been peaceful and 7% are verified not to be.

That 7% wrecked a lot of havoc over the Summer of Love 2020 causing billions in damage and dozens of murders.

supermist said:
Again, with simple math (and I've provided numerous examples already), 74% of the violence at occurred at the 7% of non peaceful BLM gatherings would statistically be caused by right wingers.

You've provided numbers. Doesn't make them true. But they are numbers.

supermist said:
These are numbers. If you wanna debate the hard figures I guess have fun. This isn't a difficult concept for anyone who paid attention in 5th grade algebra. Just saying.

So since I took college level statistics, does that mean my opinion holds more weight?

supermist · Feb 3, 2023

All you posted in response are unsubstantiated generalizations and straight up denial of verified data.

This is why debate with right wingers is a waste of time. I'd normally say good luck to ya, but I wouldn't be genuine in wishing you luck.

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TraderPatTX said:
Soros being Jewish has nothing to do with his dishonesty, crashing currencies, and the Davos Agenda 30. Using the fact that he's Jewish to shield what he does is just the worst kind of identity politics.

You can't be far left and an anarchist. One believes in the authoritarian state and the other believes in no government at all. You have no idea what you are.

I have to provide proof? LOL!!!! Everybody who calls me a white supremacist, fascist nazi never provide proof. I'll just play by your rules here.

You seem overly emotional over this. Did I strike a nerve?

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Cool. You used a bunch of leftwing sources to support your leftwing opinions. Congratulations.

Most of those stories are trying to say that KLANtifa got infiltrated by MAGA. Why does the infiltration theory work for you, but not me? Seems disingenous.

I don't believe the entire left supports communism. I'm just using your rules to disparage entire groups of people. Not very fun being on the receiving end is it?

sombrerosonic said:
Both sides cause riots and hell. The last huge ass right wing riot i've seen is the jan 6 thing (and i barely was). The left has caused Several riots just in 2020 alone. from the BLM riots to Antifa.

We should focus on lowering the huge ass Political Shitstorm that was caused back in 2016 and has continued on for 7 YEARS from BOTH SIDES instead of the ONE side.

Yes i would love everyone to be treated the same under law and in the world. but if you focus on one side, you forget about the other sides being dicks.

The issue is equivalency. You're acting as if both extremes are equal in their violence when statistically, they're nowhere near close. It's like being concerned that someone's pool overflowed a little as equally as someone's entire basement flooding.

Are both problems? Yes. Is one of the problems far more sever and in need of immediate attention? Yes.

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Lastly, I'll end with this quote which perfectly describes what some right wingers are doing in this thread.

"Always Accuse Your Enemies of Your Own Sins" --- Joseph Goebbels, minister of propaganda for Hitler.

TraderPatTX · Feb 3, 2023

supermist said:
All you posted in response are unsubstantiated generalizations and straight up denial of verified data.

This is why debate with right wingers is a waste of time. I'd normally say good luck to ya, but I wouldn't be genuine in wishing you luck.

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Does that chip on your shoulder ever get heavy?

supermist said:
The issue is equivalency. You're acting as if both extremes are equal in their violence when statistically, they're nowhere near close. It's like being concerned that someone's pool overflowed a little as equally as someone's entire basement flooding.

Never said they were equal. Just that left wing violence is always more prevalent. It's very nature requires it to be a violent ideology.

supermist said:
Are both problems? Yes. Is one of the problems far more sever and in need of immediate attention? Yes.

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Lastly, I'll end with this quote which perfectly describes what some right wingers are doing in this thread.

"Always Accuse Your Enemies of Your Own Sins" --- Joseph Goebbels, minister of propaganda for Hitler.

A leftist would be an expert on projection.

supermist · Feb 3, 2023

There's 2 possible conclusions one can come to with "debating you"

1. You're demonstrating a prime example of what cognitive dissonance is. When faced with facts ( which I've posted whether you "believe" them it not) you double down in your misinformation and misconception of the truth. This unfortunately means you're pretty unintelligent.

2. You know exactly what you're doing, and intentionally posting misinformation because you're alt right adjacent. As far as how far alt right adjacent you are that's only speculation I won't share but it means you're an objectively bad person.

This is for the benefit of others, but a good bit of what you're doing is called out in this detailed article about rhetoric tactics of the alt right:

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I want to be very, very clear that I am not calling or suggesting anyone in particular is a Nazi.

I am simply pointing out the use of their rhetoric tactics. Whether they're intentionally doing so or not I cannot say but it's worth pointing out for the benefit of others.

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