The Last Of US (TV) fans are calling controversial Episode 3 best television episode ever

Noctosphere · Jan 31, 2023

Does that mean that tlou game/tvshow will have the same concept between them like twd with its comic/tv show?
For those who dont know, both comic and tv show of twd have a lot of similarities.
For example, most of the characters are the same: same name, same appearance, same antagonistic/protagonistic way of thinking, etc.
The universe is the same, the groups are the same.
However, the story itself is not the same at all between the comic and the tv show
For example, lotof characters dont die the same way in the tv show as their comic counterpart. Other characters in the tv show will die the same as a totally different character did in the comic.
Other example is that some characters dont appear at the same time in the storyline, for instance, i think tyreese appears very early in the comic while he appears much later in the tv show.
Another example, i remember reading somewhere that two characters in the show had their story completly rewritten. They were allies in the comic while in the show, they were allies who turned ennemies.
One last example (even though there are many others), they also introduced brand new characters, some of them having major importance in the show, Daryl Dixon being the perfect example, since he doesnt appear at all in the comic.

So? Does this article means what i said?
That tlou could be copying the concept of "adapting while rewritting" of twd?

pustal · Jan 31, 2023

K3N1 said:
Part of me feels like it would of done way better in reviews had it launched in the walking dead days but still from what I said before, it's alright but just feels like any other zombie flick out there.

The reviews have been great thus far. Probably had eliminated great part of the bad reviews then, yeah, as these review bombs are done with half post 2015/2016 sociatal validation because of this BS culture war that revamped bigotry. You can see the difference in TOUS itself. Ellie was established as gay in TLOU 1, the expansion Left Behind was released in 2014 and is about how she got bitten and about her first romantic relationship with another girl, Riley. No one batted an eye. TLOU 2 came out in 2020 and half the internet wouldn't shut up about "how they ruined Ellie by making her gay in that game", as they didn't about having a presumably trans character or a female military character. Same thing here, great reviews on all episodes, fist episode to depict a gay couple and as you can see above, it gets review bombed, not even trying to hide being due to the couples existance.

Btw, the game did came out in Walking Dead days. Naughty Dog shtick since Jack 2 for new IPs or games is picking up popular concepts and provide their own spin on it.

mrdude · Jan 31, 2023

Justinde75 said:
I don't know if I am getting old and I am just not interested in other things anymore but as someone who absolutely loved the original since its launch, I never played 2 or watched an episode of this. All I had to hear is that it doesnt really have the same story as the game and I instantly lost all interest in it.

I heard the same thing and I have been playing it since last week so far I've taken about 5 days for about 8 hours a day and I'm only about 2/3 of the ways through the game. It's got a great story - I won't post spoilers, but I am loving it and it's hard to choose between this and part 1.

Also ref the game in part one, Bill says Frank was his partner (I thought he was just a good mate) and the only time Frank was in the game was when I found his body strung up in a garage. I was finding notes in the town where Frank had buggered off and was leaving notes saying he basically couldn't stand Bill and hated him. I am not sure why the show deviated from that storyline, it kind of spoiled it for me, as so far it's been pretty good. Also in the game in the museum/capitol building in the last episode, it gets overrun by troops, not the infected - still it was good none the less.

pustal · Jan 31, 2023

Noctosphere said:
Does that mean that tlou game/tvshow will have the same concept between them like twd with its comic/tv show?
For those who dont know, both comic and tv show of twd have a lot of similarities.
For example, most of the characters are the same: same name, same appearance, same antagonistic/protagonistic way of thinking, etc.
The universe is the same, the groups are the same.
However, the story itself is not the same at all between the comic and the tv show
For example, lotof characters dont die the same way in the tv show as their comic counterpart. Other characters in the tv show will die the same as a totally different character did in the comic.
Other example is that some characters dont appear at the same time in the storyline, for instance, i think tyreese appears very early in the comic while he appears much later in the tv show.
Another example, i remember reading somewhere that two characters in the show had their story completly rewritten. They were allies in the comic while in the show, they were allies who turned ennemies.
One last example (even though there are many others), they also introduced brand new characters, some of them having major importance in the show, Daryl Dixon being the perfect example, since he doesnt appear at all in the comic.

So? Does this article means what i said?
That tlou could be copying the concept of "adapting while rewritting" of twd?

The TV show is based on the games story but it isn't in the same canon as the game, like most adaptations. Like Marvel Cinematic Universe and the comics, like Walking Dead the TV show and the comics, like the Sonic Games an the movies, etc. They are reinterpretations of the original stories adapted to a different medium.

x65943 · Jan 31, 2023

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mrdude said:
I heard the same thing and I have been playing it since last week so far I've taken about 5 days for about 8 hours a day and I'm only about 2/3 of the ways through the game. It's got a great story - I won't post spoilers, but I am loving it and it's hard to chose between this and part 1.

Also ref the game in part one, Bill says Frank was his partner (I thought he was just a good mate) and the only time Frank was in the game was when I found his body strung up in a garage. I was finding notes in the town where Frank had buggered off and was leaving notes saying he basically couldn't stand Bill and hated him. I am not sure why the show deviated from that storyline, it kind of spoiled it for me, as so far it's been pretty good. Also in the game in the museum in the last episode, it gets overrun by troops, not the infected - still it was good none the less.

I remember playing the game and it definitely came off that they were more than just buddies

Like anyone who has been in a toxic relationship before it felt like that

mrdude · Jan 31, 2023

x65943 said:
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I remember playing the game and it definitely came off that they were more than just buddies

Like anyone who has been in a toxic relationship before it felt like that

I certainly wasn't like the TV episode from yesterday - there was no gay bedroom stuff or kissing etc, you never saw Frank at all and he basically said he couldn't stand Bill. The gay stuff is just more of the woke bullshit agenda, there was no need to put that in the TV episode as it wasn't part of the game.

pustal · Jan 31, 2023

x65943 said:
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I remember playing the game and it definitely came off that they were more than just buddies

Like anyone who has been in a toxic relationship before it felt like that

mrdude said:
I certainly wasn't like the TV episode from yesterday - there was no gay bedroom stuff or kissing etc, you never saw Frank at all and he basically said he couldn't stand Bill. The gay stuff is just more of the woke bullshit agenda, there was no need to put that in the TV episode as it wasn't part of the game.

From TLOU Wiki:

Bill begins to tell Joel about his partner Frank, trying to hide his homosexuality while doing so, saying he had to look after him. He finishes by saying that caring for someone "is good for one thing - getting you killed".

So no, it's not in the gay agenda:

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x65943 · Jan 31, 2023

mrdude said:
I certainly wasn't like the TV episode from yesterday - there was no gay bedroom stuff or kissing etc, you never saw Frank at all and he basically said he couldn't stand Bill. The gay stuff is just more of the woke bullshit agenda, there was no need to put that in the TV episode as it wasn't part of the game.

Bill does have the gay porno mags too

And when Ellie pieces through it they got se*** stuck in the pages

K3Nv2 · Jan 31, 2023

pustal said:
The reviews have been great thus far. Probably had eliminated great part of the bad reviews then, yeah, as these review bombs are done with half post 2015/2016 sociatal validation because of this BS culture war that revamped bigotry. You can see the difference in TOUS itself. Ellie was established as gay in TLOU 1, the expansion Left Behind was released in 2014 and is about how she got bitten and about her first romantic relationship with another girl, Riley. No one batted an eye. TLOU 2 came out in 2020 and half the internet wouldn't shut up about "how they ruined Ellie by making her gay in that game", as they didn't about having a presumably trans character or a female military character. Same thing here, great reviews on all episodes, fist episode to depict a gay couple and as you can see above, it gets review bombed, not even trying to hide being due to the couples existance.

Btw, the game did came out in Walking Dead days. Naughty Dog shtick since Jack 2 for new IPs or games is picking up popular concepts and provide their own spin on it.

I'm saying the show it's self would've done better back around in 2015 due to the massive amount of zombie clones we have today that are scripted pretty poorly and cut with a minimum budget. If we could only get over the ohmygod gays are in a movie factor.

Marc_LFD · Jan 31, 2023

BlazeMasterBM said:
review sites in general are unreliable. I always form my own opinions and I think it's subjective. One thing one person likes could be trash to someone else. Everyone has their own tastes.

That being said, the episode was nothing special. I didn't like it. It felt a bit out of place for the whole series.

A lot claimed it was the "best episode evur" what...

Have they already forgotten Breaking Bad?

pustal · Jan 31, 2023

Marc_LFD said:
A lot claimed it was the "best episode evur" what...

Have they already forgotten Breaking Bad?

I'm gonna amake you feel old: Breaking Bad ended in 2013 (coincidentally when TLOU came out), 10 years ago. There is a whole generation of TV Series viewers today that never saw Breaking Bad. Same for The Sopranos, The Wire, Twin Peaks, Deadwood, The Shield, Six Feet Under, etc. And oh God the amount of people that would be crying about the gay/woke agenda on most of those today.

Reploid · Jan 31, 2023

Why we call shitty things 'controversial' these days?

pustal · Jan 31, 2023

Reploid said:
Why we call shitty things 'controversial' these days?

Coming from you, "shitty" means anything, really, so I take the question is why on controversial.

From Meriam-Webster:

controversy
[ kon-truh-vur-see; British also kuhn-trov-er-see ]SHOW IPA

See synonyms for: controversy / controversies on Thesaurus.com
Middle School Level

noun, plural con·tro·ver·sies.
a prolonged public dispute, debate, or contention; disputation concerning a matter of opinion.
contention, strife, or argument.

So why controversial?

A:

What motivates the controversy? You can read it all above.

milkyTommy · Jan 31, 2023

Basically, when when it's not about "gay couple" , it's about [gay] propaganda :rofl2:

(that make my laugh so hard) like if we have to accept homosexuality like it's nomal ...
Even the less homophobic 1/10 star ratings talked about "How it's different from the game" ... But honnestly, if it was only that, it probably receive a 5-7/10, not a 1 star. One start is supposed to mean pure Shit, not "i dont like this because two guys loved each other soo hard that i fell offended"

KingVamp · Jan 31, 2023

Honestly, big changes like this could go wrong, but I think they did a good job. That said, the lgbt hate aside, I can see why this episode might be off-putting for people that just want to focus on the main characters.

Lazyt · Jan 31, 2023

What do you mean by “controversial”

drazenm · Jan 31, 2023

jomaper said:
Homophobes should stop breathing

You mean people, majority, that are fed up by forcefully having certain political/sect agendas shoved down their throats intentionally everywhere they turn?

Straight away labelling someone something the moment they don't bend the way you want them?

If i wanted to watch same sex I'd watch a show specifically made for that crowd, instead of (again) forcefully, political reprogramming to be pushed into mainstream as its something mainstream.

ut2k4master · Jan 31, 2023

drazenm said:
You mean people, majority, that are fed up by forcefully having certain political/sect agendas shoved down their throats intentionally everywhere they turn?

Straight away labelling someone something the moment they don't bend the way you want them?

If i wanted to watch same sex I'd watch a show specifically made for that crowd, instead of (again) forcefully, political reprogramming to be pushed into mainstream as its something mainstream.

please refer to jomapers comment again

Desconocido90 · Jan 31, 2023

Waah, waah, gay agenda
Waah, waah, woke
Waah, waah, forced diversity

(Gbatemp threads, every day)

I swear conservatives has become more obsessed and triggered over a few gay characters in media than the leftest left.

As x65943 mentioned, the first game implied Bill was gay with the sticky gay porn and the mentions of his partner, so no real controversy in that. If people feels the compulsion of rating with a zero a good TV show just because they have a (more openly) gay character, the real problem is inside those guys, not in the show.

Vine-gar · Jan 31, 2023

I don't want to watch the TV show but I like keeping up with it since it's popular and seems to be genuinely well written. I've read through this thread and I have a question I'd appreciate being answered.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with Game of Thrones' sex scenes being 8, how explicit or pornographic is episode 3?

pustal said:
The reviews have been great thus far. Probably had eliminated great part of the bad reviews then, yeah, as these review bombs are done with half post 2015/2016 sociatal validation because of this BS culture war that revamped bigotry. You can see the difference in TOUS itself. Ellie was established as gay in TLOU 1, the expansion Left Behind was released in 2014 and is about how she got bitten and about her first romantic relationship with another girl, Riley. No one batted an eye. TLOU 2 came out in 2020 and half the internet wouldn't shut up about "how they ruined Ellie by making her gay in that game", as they didn't about having a presumably trans character or a female military character. Same thing here, great reviews on all episodes, fist episode to depict a gay couple and as you can see above, it gets review bombed, not even trying to hide being due to the couples existance.

Btw, the game did came out in Walking Dead days. Naughty Dog shtick since Jack 2 for new IPs or games is picking up popular concepts and provide their own spin on it.

Ellie was only established as being gay in the DLC for TLoU 1. You must be thinking about how Bill had a quest where you could give him a note from his lover and that was handled pretty subtly. I definitely remember people missing it, people writing trivia articles about it, and people discussing figuring it out. My memory is fuzzy so I'm not sure if I realized the porn magazine that Ellie had was gay porn despite understanding that Frank was Bill's significant other. I wish I could remember that part of the game better but I burned out at the part where they enter the school for the car battery because I was playing on Hard and took micromanaging ammo way too seriously. The part where they actually drive the car and several later parts I remember very well even now.

Switching gears to a little overview I read about Bill and Frank in the show, (actual spoilers for ep 3)

I'm sad to hear that Bill took his own life. I know that the game painted rage and revenge in bad lights (sounds like the sequel doubled down on that), but it was such a strong expression of it that I walked away from the game twice. I wonder if they're doing the same with depression and/or hopelessness for the TV show? I care a lot about preventing suicide so here's hoping they do their best.

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