First-party Xbox games to cost $70 starting 2023

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As reported by IGN, Xbox plans to hike the prices of its first-party titles in the new year. Titles like Forza Motorsport, Redfall and Starfield will cost $69.99 USD at launch in 2023. While there might be differences in regional pricing, Xbox didn't provide the details for other countries.

"This price reflects the content, scale, and technical complexity of these titles," a Microsoft spokesperson told IGN. "As with all games developed by our teams at Xbox, they will also be available with Game Pass the same day they launch.”

In October, Phil Spencer hinted at such a price hike and we now have a confirmation; at least when it comes to first party Xbox games. For the time being, the pricing for Xbox's other offerings such as Game Pass has remained unchanged and will be the case until the end of the year.

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Your anger towards Pokemon is relevant to the Xbox platform how?
Pointing out how unfinished games are, If you want more microsoft ones heres a few more Overwatch 2 is a prime example of unfinished games. On release the game had you to use a phone to even play in the begining and it couldn't be a pre-pay, or how about the amount of glitches or unballenced the game is
You're saving an awful lot by buying 10 yr old games, how about sending a $5 donation to your favorite homebrew/indie dev?
Ive bought Indie as well as donated before. So there go that point.
No, it's not because there are several burger joints that have made their entire business around being able to customize your order and add/remove items as you see fit. Extra patties/cheese/etc are usually a few cents, only an idiot would think they can get an extra patty/cheese or onion ring w/ BBQ sauce on top of a burger for the price of a regular one.
The Burger represents The game all of the extra's fixing on the burger are DLC's that should be WITH the game. the fries and the soda are REAL DLC that add more to the game.

Oh yea, Just one thing, Ive played alot of these games, OW2 as well as the one that came before it. Fallout 76... Yup! Own it on a PS4! Dont own the pokemon game but i have seen the performance of said games and it looks horrid. I just usually buy a 20 dollar game, Only once in a while i get the 60 dollar game, AKA a RPG or what i would play. I try to get my money's worth in a game

I grow tired of you. coperate bootlicker, your going into my ignore list.
 
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I grow tired of you. coperate bootlicker, your going into my ignore list.

#1 Stop being so angry so you make fewer spelling mistakes.

#2. You've exhausted other people's opinions and don't want to be called out on it, it has nothing to do with being tired.

#3 Eating processed beef isn't the same as gaming unless you're talking about some Burger Eating Simulator.

If you had a point to make it could have been how other markets have started downsizing their products to keep prices the same, but you're too busy reading how you should feel from IGN instead of forming your own opinions.
 
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#1 Stop being so angry so you make fewer spelling mistakes.
Understandable
#2. You've exhausted other people's opinions and don't want to be called out on it, it has nothing to do with being tired.
Your being annoying.
#3 Eating processed beef isn't the same as gaming unless you're talking about some Burger Eating Simulator.
Your taking it at face value, i believe i explain this well enough in my last post.
If you had a point to make it could have been how other markets have started downsizing their products to keep prices the same, but you're too busy reading how you should feel from IGN instead of forming your own opinions.
I refrence IGN once and your like "U DONT HAVE A OPINION!!!!! U STEAL OPINION" when i showed you that the consumers were pissed as well as those shitty reviewers. Ive developed my own opinions on those games. I've bought the game, i can have a opinion of the game i got. Ill wait a few years for the games to be patched out and have a GOTY for the launch price.

I have i feeling you just want a fight and nothing more
 
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I have i feeling you just want a fight and nothing more

That's exactly what you've been needlessly doing when my original point (for the nth time now) has been that $70 games are nothing new and have been around for decades. Bringing up IGN reviews/buying strategies is a flat-out waste of time, so no, you don't have an opinion or fact to counter my original and only point.

Modern microtransactions, DLC, and Day 1 Updates don't change history. $70 games have existed since the 90s and the option has always been to either rent (Gamepass), borrow, or wait for a deal.

And no, we didn't get "complete games" before that comes up again; a lot of planned material was always cut out. I wish updates/DLC/expansions had existed during the cartridge days, that would have made it possible to have gotten the complete Secret of Mana experience on the SNES instead of having half the game and story left on the cutting room floor. The same could be said about hundreds of other retro games that had entire levels, characters, and content cut out due to time restraints and memory limitations.

That doesn't mean I agree with all DLC strategies most companies employ today so don't reword my sentences as you read them. Content that already exists and planned DLC is shitty and most companies like Capcom have had to learn the hard way. That still doesn't change that $70 games have existed for 30 years now.
 
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Sonic 3 and its silly little Knuckles expansion say hello. Oh, want a disc-based example? Final Fantasy X's "X-2" expansion says hello too. Zelda OOT and Majora's Mask? Same game, different name, just shorter. Now think about every single game that has come out that was disguised as a sequel but was really the exact same engine and yet we were still charged full price, or worse a game like Shining Force III that was split across three separate discs instead of being sold as one complete game. How many times did people have to pay for Final Fantasy XI on the PS2 again with each expansion? Oh, that's right full price all the way up through the release of Seekers of Adoulin for every single disc.

Paying multiple times for the same game has existed for a lot longer than people realize. They used to be called short sequels, cash grabs, and expansions. Now they are called DLC.



No, that's you once again trying to manipulate someone else's words into your own opinion which in itself is a stupid way to try and make a point. Try harder to fire back with some actual facts.

What indie game have you released? What costs did you incur? How many people were on your team? How much was the overhead and what was your budget? What did you spend on marketing? Did you develop your own engine or license it from someone else? Who did you pay to create assets or did it come in-house? Who created your modeling and animation? How much did you spend on QA/testing? How much did you pay your sound team? Did they create their own music and are they asking for recurring royalties? How did you recoup your costs and did you break even or make a profit?

Your answer: Burgers... a bunch of nonsense. You're complaining about something that doesn't affect you, you're perfectly happy buying games from 2011 for $20 so why are you bitching? Wait until 2031 and keep playing.



MMOs are to blame. They were the first genre that used its player base as its beta testers and some have even started selling their beta testing as "early access". On release day there's always a huge update but those players turn a blind eye because it's been that way for almost two decades now. If Capcom could figure out a way to monetize its current Street Fighter 6 beta testing without pissing off its player base they would absolutely be doing it too.
Final Fantasy X-2 is NOT an "expansion". Not even close. Not even in the same ballpark.

It's a fully-fledged game that can take up to 40+ hours to beat. Well over 80 hours to min/max.

Please don't embarrass yourself by making silly statements. FFX-2 is not, by any stretch of imagination, an "expansion".

If you were going to use that argument, the Interlude of Final Fantasy IV MIGHT qualify. You just sound dumb, bruh.

Further, the original Sonic 3 game was SUPPOSED to include all of the "Lock-On content", but the limitations of the hardware at the time prevented SEGA from being able to do so. A $20 upgrade that included its own base game, and also allowed you to access additional content in Sonic 2 was a great value, then and today.

Just because Majora's Mask was written using the same engine doesn't make it an expansion. It is its own, complete, standalone game. That argument is basically like saying that Perfect Dark was just an expansion to Goldeneye 007 because it had the same engine.

Stop trying to pick on people. Especially when you have a weak, weak, pathetic argument to offer.

I believe your seat is... right over there. Why don't you take it? Take several.
 
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I already posted about the same thing, showing the same inflation calculation. Your point on that wasn't the issue.

Your silly claim that Majora's Mask and FFX-2 were "expansions" and not actual games is where you went off the rails.

And you're picking on a kid on a gaming forum who wasn't alive when anyone actually owned a Super NES in the first place. Try making your points without insults.
 
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I already posted about the same thing, showing the same inflation calculation. Your point on that wasn't the issue.

That's the only point that matters here but people keep trying to use opinionated "semantics" to try and move away from it. Nothing said has disproved my point at all.
Your silly claim that Majora's Mask and FFX-2 were "expansions" and not actual games is where you went off the rails.

Wrong. Expansions, as they are created today, weren't a standard yet on consoles. Hang yourself up on the semantics all you want, nothing changes the fact that was the first expansion of a FF storyline period. If the PS2 hard drive had been included at the release of the console it absolutely would have been an installable expansion disc, but that didn't become available until the release of Final Fantasy XI. If there had been no HDD each one of those FF11 expansions would have been reworked into stand-alone separate game discs like everything before it. Sonic and Knuckles did not cost 20 bucks on Day 1 either, it was the same price as Sonic 3. Both cartridges easily came out to $120 if you bought each of them as they were released.

Now if you'd like to continue the above topic, feel free to DM me. This thread is about games costing $70.

And you're picking on a kid on a gaming forum who wasn't alive when anyone actually owned a Super NES in the first place. Try making your points without insults.

This is called useless white-knighting. People that call others "corporate shills" and "stupid consumers" don't need a defense. Now if you want to make a point, try disproving what I've said about the cost of these games NOT being something new. No one here has done that, it's just been a bunch of replies going off on some tangent. I don't care about interpretations on the history of retro-gaming, reply with proof games have NOT cost $70 before.
 
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That's the only point that matters here but people keep trying to use opinionated "semantics" to try and move away from it. Nothing said has disproved my point at all.


Wrong. Expansions, as they are created today, weren't a standard yet on consoles. Hang yourself up on the semantics all you want, nothing changes the fact that was the first expansion of a FF storyline period. If the PS2 hard drive had been included at the release of the console it absolutely would have been an installable expansion disc, but that didn't become available until the release of Final Fantasy XI. If there had been no HDD each one of those FF11 expansions would have been reworked into stand-alone separate game discs like everything before it. Sonic and Knuckles did not cost 20 bucks on Day 1 either, it was the same price as Sonic 3. Both cartridges easily came out to $120 if you bought each of them as they were released.

Now if you'd like to continue the above topic, feel free to DM me. This thread is about games costing $70.



This is called useless white-knighting. People that call others "corporate shills" and "stupid consumers" don't need a defense. Now if you want to make a point, try disproving what I've said about the cost of these games NOT being something new. No one here has done that, it's just been a bunch of replies going off on some tangent. I don't care about interpretations on the history of retro-gaming, reply with proof games have NOT cost $70 before.
WRONG.

Final Fantasy X-2 is NOT an expansion. Majora's Mask is NOT an expansion. Perfect Dark is NOT an expansion. Your entire argument hinges on the game engine, not the GAME. This isn't semantics. A sequel using the same engine is NOT an expansion when it substantially and drastically changes the core gameplay, mechanics and systems.

You had to invent "Durrr, if there was a hard drive, FFX-2 would have been an expansion" to support your flimsy argument.

Silly little guy. I think you need to read back a few more pages and see that I presented the same argument you are attempting to make, but I did it without trying to be a gatekeeper or be toxic against other people. I am not exactly being polite to YOU because YOU are running your mouth to a kid on a gaming forum and trying to talk down to him.

You're trying to be a bully, and that's not cool. Especially when you are providing weak, stupid arguments that have already been dismissed. Sequels are not expansions. None of the examples you provided are "expansions" or "DLC".

Stop trying to pick on people when you are wrong in the first place. Bully.

Who the bloody fuck do you think you are trying to command to provide you a response? Watch your mouth, son.
 
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Who the bloody fuck do you think you are trying to command to provide you a response? Watch your mouth, son.

I don't care about what your head-canon dictionary says when it comes to the word "Expansion". There's lots of anger on display here just because you can't argue against the fact that my only point is:

That still doesn't change that $70 games have existed for 30 years now.

Angry little white knight, you aren't accomplishing anything by trying to rewrite retro gaming history. An expansion to a storyline is pretty self-explanatory.
 
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Lot's of anger on display here just because you can't argue against the fact that my only point is:



Keep being an angry white knight, you aren't accomplishing anything trying to rehash retro gaming history according to your own point of view.
You don't HAVE a point when you try to say that games using the same engine are expansions and not their own fully-fledged games, just because DLC didn't exist back then.

Just admit that you were wrong. And stop picking on children, big man.

I already commanded you to scroll back a few pages and see my own post on the same topic, where I said everything you TRIED and FAILED to say, before you did. Then come back and admit that you were wrong.

There's a good boy. Shoo!.
 

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I guess there are fewer and fewer gamers as the years go on who remember that MANY Super NES games retailed for $70 at launch. Final Fantasy II. Super Street Fighter II. All of the Mortal Kombat games. Donkey Kong Country.

In the early '90's.

The same games would retail for almost $150 each if released today.

A decent open-world game will give you at least an hour of fun for every two bucks you spend, even at that ratio. Think about how many games you play that you've put literally hundreds of hours into, like fighting or racing games.

Video games are still arguably the best value in entertainment, dollar-for-dollar.

There's a good boy. Are we learning our place now?

GOOD BOY!
 
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First-party Xbox games to cost $70 starting 2023

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I find it interesting that so many are acting like a $70.00 price point hasn't been a thing before.

N64 MSRP for comparison (keep in mind some retailers marked these prices up by $5-$10 past MSRP):


Super Mario 64 – $66.99 (Source: GamePro #97)

Wave Race 64 – $64.95 (Source: GamePro #99)

Killer Instinct Gold – $79.99 (Source: GamePro #101)

Turok: Dinosaur Hunter – $79.99 (Source: GamePro #103)

Blast Corps – $69.95 (Source: GamePro #104)

Star Fox 64 – $79.95 (Source: GamePro #106)

GoldenEye 007 – $69.95 (Source: GamePro #108)

Multi Racing Championship – $79.95 (Source: GamePro #108)

Tetrisphere – $69.95 (Source: GamePro #108)

Bomberman 64 – $69.95 (Source: GamePro #111)

Duke Nukem 64 – $69.95 (Source: GamePro #111)

S.C.A.R.S. – $59.95 (Source: GamePro #113)

Turok 2 – $69.99 (Source: GamePro #113)


Now that you've been fully reset, is there anything relevant you want to add besides head-canon definitions and white knighting for people that like to label others as 'corporate shills'?
 
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First-party Xbox games to cost $70 starting 2023

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Now that you've been fully reset, is there anything relevant you want to add besides head-canon definitions and white knighting for people that like to label others as 'corporate shills'?
Still waiting for your integrity moment where you admit that a sequel that has a completely different game mechanic, leveling system, storyline and practically everything else about it is NOT an "expansion". Trying to shoehorn it in to fit your definition doesn't turn it into something it isn't.

Cheers.
 
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Keep waiting, how you spend your time is up to you.

Expansion: something that results from an act of expanding

Did FFX's story grow larger? Did it expand? Expansion does not mean data pressed onto a disc or released online in digital form (your head-canon), it literally means to expand something.

Wave.
 
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Keep waiting, how you spend your time is up to you.



Did FFX's story grow larger? Did it expand? Expansion does not mean data pressed onto a disc or released online in digital form (your head-canon), it literally means to expand something.

Wave.
Did Dragon Ball Z Budokai 2 grow the story larger? Did it expand?

Still a completely different game. Similar but different mechanics. Different leveling system. It is completely a different game, not an expansion to Budokai 1.

You would have better luck arguing that the myriad Street Fighter II updates and revisions would be DLC today. THEN there would be no argument. What you said, though, was not that. You compared FULL GAMES and SEQUELS to add-ons and DLC.

Not even close. Just admit you were wrong. Feels good, bruh.
 
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Budokai doesn't even apply when its source material is manga.

Has Final Fantasy had sequels? We're any of those storylines considered expansions of the previous game? Was FFX the first game to have its story expanded?

We can continue this discussion further in DM, what you're doing now is just irrelevant spam.
 
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Budokai doesn't even apply when its source material is manga.

Has Final Fantasy had sequels? We're any of those storylines considered expansions of the previous game? Was FFX the first game to have its story expanded?

We can continue this discussion further in DM, what you're doing now is just irrelevant spam.
Once more, son, you aren't going to dictate any terms of this discussion. You made a silly, stupid claim, and you haven't been able to defend it yet. You will do it right here, publicly. Or ignore me, one of the two.

Final Fantasy X-2 uses a completely different battling and leveling system. Its structure and story are absolutely, markedly different from its predecessor. It is a full game with dozens of hours of unique content that might relate to the first title, but it is in no way an expansion.
Majora's Mask is the same. Completely different world structure. It might have the same combat system, and graphical style, and it's a Zelda title, but it couldn't come close to being compared to "add-on content" or "DLC".

Simply admit that you said something silly, you silly goose. Show some integrity. And to save yourself your own embarrassment, please stop trying to issue commands to me. You got the wrong one, child.
 
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