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Elon Musk announces Twitter suppressed Hunter Biden Laptop Story

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I've seen the photos of him with the crack cocaine.Nobody's come forward with the pedo evidence. That's why.

Wrong. Those get deleted by the mods because of their graphic nature. When the news broke and the laptop image was dumped, not even this place was safe.

"Tamer" photos still exist with the little girls dressed in lingerie.

Have you even paid attention to what people say when they complain about the laptop? It's pretty regrettable that you can dismiss the laptop so carelessly without understanding anything about it.
 

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mind if i screen shot this in 6 months when you are reeing that he once again made your god look bad?
Why would this make Gabe Newell look bad?

That's right Xzi, there is no reason why anyone should just trust government or institutional agents over anyone else. The responsibility falls solely on the person who commits the action.
This has nothing to do with "trust," Foxi takes offense to the way a report to Twitter from the government would take priority over any average Joe's. The thing is, that's true for any entity or individual that's rich or powerful enough, a report from Exxon Mobil or Taylor Swift is gonna take the same kind of priority. That's just capitalism, and it's the least shocking thing you could accuse any corporation of, tech-based or otherwise.
 
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I just had to after this post
 
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Why would this make Gabe Newell look bad?


This has nothing to do with "trust," Foxi takes offense to the way a report to Twitter from the government would take priority over any average Joe's. The thing is, that's true for any entity or individual that's rich or powerful enough, a report from Exxon Mobil or Taylor Swift is gonna take the same kind of priority. That's just capitalism, and it's the least shocking thing you could accuse any corporation of, tech-based or otherwise.

You aren't paying attention xzi. What foxi outlined wasn't about "priority", but about pressure. I mean, I get that it's "normal" for rich and powerful people to manipulate the  news media propaganda, to you. However, when government actors are involved, you are dealing with the mob. You want to pretend that Hollywood is the government, go ahead. Makes more sense of your character.

But I do agree with you, that the onus is on the individual commiting the action. The "trust" was about the perceived "legitimacy" of the complaint that squashed an authentic story.

Xzi exists. Let's blame capitalism for that too.
 
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I mean, I get that it's "normal" for rich and powerful people to manipulate the  news media propaganda, to you.
Ah see, there's the confusion: Twitter isn't a news outlet, and Musk is deluding himself if he believes he can turn it into one. At best you'll occasionally see links to more reputable sources.
 

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Ultimately it makes no difference though, it's up to the business in question whether they follow through on any given report. Even Musk can't afford to have conservatives plastering Hunter's dick pics all over Twitter. There's always going to be a need for a line drawn in the sand, and new Twitter is slowly working itself back to the exact same place old Twitter was in that regard.
I can’t believe I have to explain this to someone like you, so let me translate this into a language you specifically can understand.

When an annoying neighbour knocks on your door to whinge that your house party is “too loud” and you should “turn the music down”, you can tell them to take a hike because it’s not 11PM yet. When a police officer does the same thing, you’re going to use very different phrasing, because the cop has a secret superpower of “smelling weed on the premises” which, inexplicably, manifests whenever he wants to enter said premises without a warrant, thus generating probable cause.

Can you see the tiny, itsy bitsy issue here, or are we going to insist that a report from a normal user and a report from *the government* are exactly the same? If the strategy du jour is pretending to be stupid then I’ll take no part in that kind of discussion. There are serious repercussions that the state can leverage against entities that don’t go along with its agenda - it inherently has more power than any private institution, and the law should protect from such abuses, for *our* benefit, not just theirs.
 

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Ah see, there's the confusion: Twitter isn't a news outlet, and Musk is deluding himself if he believes he can turn it into one. At best you'll occasionally see links to more reputable sources.

That's not "the confusion". That's your out. This isn't a conversation about how companies brand themselves or how they pose.
 

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That's not "the confusion". That's your out. This isn't a conversation about how companies brand themselves or how they pose.
Where I come from, there’s a saying, and it goes a little bit like this - “there’s a paragraph on everyone”. If the government wants to get its nose in your business, it’ll find a wedge it can use to open your door wide open. We should not encourage this kind of behaviour, it is *not* the government’s responsibility to tell companies what is and isn’t permitted on their platforms. Such suggestions are inappropriate and ripe for abuse, the government should not be in the business of controlling speech, nothing good can come of it.
 

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Well, in 5 years, people will be arguing that the US Government is a private company... 20 years after the conspiracy theorists did.
 
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Let me clarify. "Normal" users will make that argument to defend the governments actions.
I gathered as much, but still find it funny. :P It’s pretty bizarre that the “step on me, pretty please” attitude is now more prevalent than caution. The default assumption is that the government does things with good intentions in mind, and I can’t fathom why.
 
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Can you see the tiny, itsy bitsy issue here, or are we going to insist that a report from a normal user and a report from *the government* are exactly the same?
I never argued they were the same, I argued that the decision is ultimately up to Twitter and that of course any entity with enough money or power is going to exert more influence. I don't believe you'd argue that the government, or someone who works for the government, should be unable to submit reports altogether. So what are we actually talking about here? Was the law broken? No. Musk wanted to pretend he had a real bombshell to distract from his recent failings, but instead we're here talking about anything and everything else because it was a nothingburger. The mainstream couldn't possibly care less about a rich private citizen doing drugs and fucking hookers, it's assumed they all do.
 

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I don't believe you'd argue that the government, or someone who works for the government, should be unable to submit reports altogether.
Actually, I would argue that. It is impossible for them to do so without the appearance of impropriety, specifically due to their position of power. They’re public servants. They should not have access to a special portal that gives them special privileges over common users, and even when normal reporting mechanisms are at play, they should abstain altogether so as to not create the impression that they’re abusing their position to control public discourse.
 
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The government has its own methods of filing reports and noticing companies/individuals of trespass. To kowtow to Twitter's processes is enabling Twitter as their government.

Also, sorry Foxi, even if someone is completely ignorant of the contents of the laptop. When *they actively dismiss it, say as a "nothingburger", they are enabling pedophilic activity.
 
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Another one miscategorizing the contents of the Biden laptop just to dismiss it as a "nothingburger".
There's literally more evidence that Donald Trump is a pedophile. You're reaching when there's zero reason to, Joe Biden has plenty of faults to attack him on directly. The public will always see attempts to attack him through his son as weak and desperate, but far be it for me stop you from continuing to lean on ineffective tactics.

Actually, I would argue that.
In which case you might as well be arguing that government employees cannot engage in any public discourse, an obvious overreach.
 

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Also, sorry Foxi, even if someone is completely ignorant of the contents of the laptop. When the actively dismiss it, say as a "nothingburger", they are enabling pedophilic activity.
You can’t make inflammatory accusations based on a difference of opinion and nothing else. You can have a disagreement and just leave it at that.


In which case you might as well be arguing that government employees cannot engage in any public discourse, an obvious overreach.
The opposite is true - they can and should engage in public discourse, but by the virtue of their position in society they must not attempt to control it. Based on those same principles, the privacy of celebrities is not protected to the same extent as the privacy of other citizens. They’ve made a conscious choice to enter a career which puts their lives in the public spotlight, so they have a lessened expectation of privacy. This is a very simple concept to grasp - government employees simply have to “take their lumps” because they’re held to a different standard.
 

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There's literally more evidence that Donald Trump is a pedophile. You're reaching when there's zero reason to, Joe Biden has plenty of faults to attack him on directly. The public will always see attempts to attack him through his son as weak and desperate, but far be it for me stop you from continuing to lean on ineffective tactics.

If you believe so, go for Don. Don't use it as an excuse to prevent the discourse. 2 (3?) pedophiles doesn't make it right. Biden putting a stop on the information is the issue, not whether or not it will stop him from being the president.

You can’t make inflammatory accusations based on a difference of opinion and nothing else. You can have a disagreement and just leave it at that.
Yeah, the difference of opinion is that I think the pedophilia is a big deal and Xzi does not. It's inflammatory because you don't think it's a good look. (And I agree.)
 

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