37 Republicans voted against Respect for Marriage Act in the Senate

Deleted member 586536 · Nov 30, 2022

The majority of Senate Republicans voted against the Respect for Marriage Act, which was recently passed within the senate with only 12 Republicans voting yes on the bill. The Respect for Marriage Act protects interracial marriages and same sex marriages.

It Repeals the Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as purely between man and women and nothing else. The Supreme court in 2015, ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges already rendering that bill as null.

Source:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...respect-for-marriage-act-these-37-republicans

KingVamp · Dec 2, 2022

Typical, but at least it passed. Within like 20 years, majority of Americans, including Republicans, now support it. Pretty amazing.

EldritchPenumbra · Dec 2, 2022

KingVamp said:
Typical, but at least it passed. Within like 20 years, majority of Americans, including Republicans, now support it. Pretty amazing.

Most Republican Americans are already OK with it, just like they have became used to the Federal Reserve, Mandated Schooling with included Corporate Curriculum, just as they surrendered their privacy, just as they accepted the birth certificate and social security card, and well just allowed the government and expand into their personal lives with no limits.
In the old days if you wanted to be gay, you just had to go to a bedroom, just like straight people. If you wanted to get married, you just had to find a pastor to marry you. The thing is though that gay marriage wasn't a talking point back in the day when life wasn't so automated and easy. When a civilization becomes wealthy and comfortable, the people start to focus on the trivial rather than the practical. And often times they empower the government to force others to accept what they are not content keeping to them selves. It's all pretty gay if you ask me. Besides the Supreme Court already mandated gay "marriage" years ago. I'm not sure what all this is for?
Speaking of which, ever notice how there are hate crimes for offending people with tan or darker skin, and for offending homosexuals, but not the religious? Crazy hugh?

wartutor · Dec 2, 2022

Who gives a shit it is just a piece of paper and quite frankly i find it disturbing that people still practice this barbaric act as it is.

EldritchPenumbra said:
Most Republican Americans are already OK with it, just like they have became used to the Federal Reserve, Mandated Schooling with included Corporate Curriculum, just as they surrendered their privacy, just as they accepted the birth certificate and social security card, and well just allowed the government and expand into their personal lives with no limits.
In the old days if you wanted to be gay, you just had to go to a bedroom, just like straight people. If you wanted to get married, you just had to find a pastor to marry you. The thing is though that gay marriage wasn't a talking point back in the day when life wasn't so automated and easy. When a civilization becomes wealthy and comfortable, the people start to focus on the trivial rather than the practical. And often times they empower the government to force others to accept what they are not content keeping to them selves. It's all pretty gay if you ask me. Besides the Supreme Court already mandated gay "marriage" years ago. I'm not sure what all this is for?
Speaking of which, ever notice how their are hate crime for offending people with tan or darker skin, and for offending homosexuals, but not the religious? Crazy hugh?

They are afraid the supreme court will overturn it like they did abortion rights.
And as for the hate crime shit. Its just some bull shit way of saying this crime is worse because u did it to this group. It should be abolished also. All crimes against someone else should be treated equal no matter the race, color, or sexual preference. I mean isnt that what everyone wants equality?

x65943 · Dec 2, 2022

Honestly I am shocked any voted for it - supporting things like this is not typical for Republicans

The bill is more symbolic than anything, if the supreme court changed their earlier ruling - it's unlikely they would allow the federal government to legislate a right into existence

The constitution doesn't vest supreme power in the hands of the federal legislature, and any such additional powers would need to be given to the federal government by a constitutional amendment

Taleweaver · Dec 3, 2022

wartutor said:
Who gives a shit it is just a piece of paper and quite frankly i find it disturbing that people still practice this barbaric act as it is.

Ever heard of this thing called empathy? I don't support a marriage either, but I'm not pissing off anyone wanting to have one. And i know plenty who don't call it a'barbaric act'.

... Why are you even in this thread if you don't care about it?

mrmagicm · Dec 3, 2022

Marriage is in it's "original" state definition for 3 thousands years of history, so only a man and a woman in a religious way in order to be able to create a family by themselves, you cannot use the word marriage for a woman and a cat or a man with a robot, it's not because many younger people have been influenced by media or mentalities have changed or some people have been brainwashed that it was a good thing to change definition. You cannot influenced people and brainwash younger people to change the definition of a cat for a dog or any other word that is totalitarism and against the liberty of all, that will always be illogical, you cannot change logic and the next day, say 0 is a 1 because it's nice for people, even in 10 000 years. You cannot say Elon Musk is the Devil because you don't like him, he will always be human. You cannot say that for example network is not called network anymore but "bezacock" because some people like the word, samely illogical. It's nothing to do with good or evil, it's just pure logic. Of course, you can use another word for other type of association. For example, you could call the association of love between a man with a robot a manobot or a gay pact.
This way of thinking is typically from USA I guess, thinking they can change a word for the entire world and have the last word.
I am not russian, but let's suppose Russia would want to change your word "computer" and say that it includes electronics and make the word electronic dissapear....Would you americans like it?? You don't have empathy for persons which do not think like you I guess and seems to force it in you country by law. Also, here, it's a gaming site, and should not be a place of political propaganda.

wartutor · Dec 3, 2022

Taleweaver said:
Ever heard of this thing called empathy? I don't support a marriage either, but I'm not pissing off anyone wanting to have one. And i know plenty who don't call it a'barbaric act'.

... Why are you even in this thread if you don't care about it?

Marriage by defination is the union of man and woman under god. Why the fuck would anyone want that when they are gay/bi/trans/lgbtq/wtf by defination what they do is a sin to god. Now i dont believe any of that crap or in marriage for that matter does it mean im not allowed to talk about it and have a civil discussion about the topic. (edit before someone takes this wrong i mean crap as in the god stuff not lgbtq+ i have nothing against what anyone does in their own time.) Now im all for letting people do what they want and all should be free to marry whom ever they want but to try and condemn someone for sticking to their beliefs and voting against something is also not right (again people should be able to freely think and do what they want...within reason and as long as it dont hurt anyone else...) now the real question is why did you go off topic to bash my response that was on topic when you contributed jack to the conversation in doing so.

mrmagicm said:
Marriage is in it's "original" state definition for 3 thousands years of history, so only a man and a woman in a religious way in order to be able to create a family by themselves, you cannot use the word marriage for a woman and a cat or a man with a robot, it's not because many younger people have been influenced by media or mentalities have changed or some people have been brainwashed that it was a good thing to change definition. You cannot influenced people and brainwash younger people to change the definition of a cat for a dog or any other word that is totalitarism and against the liberty of all, that will always be illogical, you cannot change logic and the next day, say 0 is a 1 because it's nice for people, even in 10 000 years. You cannot say Elon Musk is the Devil because you don't like him, he will always be human. You cannot say that for example network is not called network anymore but "bezacock" because some people like the word, samely illogical. It's nothing to do with good or evil, it's just pure logic. Of course, you can use another word for other type of association. For example, you could call the association of love between a man with a robot a manobot or a gay pact.
This way of thinking is typically from USA I guess, thinking they can change a word for the entire world and have the last word.
I am not russian, but let's suppose Russia would want to change your word "computer" and say that it includes electronics and make the word electronic dissapear....Would you americans like it?? You don't have empathy for persons which do not think like you I guess and seems to force it in you country by law. Also, here, it's a gaming site, and should not be a place of political propaganda.

I get what you are saying but people want the same rights and treatment as everyone else and they should get it. Marriage is after all just a word and a piece of paper that can be marked null and void by getting a divorce. Which about 50% end up this way in america. Times are not how they use to be. (For the better i might add.)

LainaGabranth · Dec 3, 2022

Republicans haven't had the interests of anything but their pockets in mind since the party was formed. This shouldn't even be shocking for anyone anymore. They hate the USA lol.

Deleted member 586536 · Dec 3, 2022

wartutor said:
Marriage by defination is the union of man and woman under god. Why the fuck would anyone want that when they are gay/bi/trans/lgbtq/wtf by defination what they do is a sin to god.

because the system only up to this point recognized your definition of marriage. It intentionally carved out people who don't match that definition. And as a result, laws designed around that archaic way of viewing things. Intentionally harmed non conforming couples.

Said couples want to marry, they want to have their wedding day and have it recognized by the state, but previously couldn't.
Marrying is not exclusive to Christianity, sorry to tell you that.

Additionally, straight couples would have a unfair advantage against gay ones, due to laws up until 2015, and this new law.

https://www.investopedia.com/financ...vs.-common-law-what-it-means-financially.aspx

Eligibility to receive Social Security benefits as long as they can prove the number of years they lived together in a common-law state2324
Qualifying for employer benefits through their spouse, such as health insurance
Exemption from the gift tax for gifts to each other
Unlimited marital exemptions for their estate up to the federal estate tax limit
Claiming deductions for mortgage interest (if they co-own a house) and children (if applicable)
Inheritance of their spouse’s property as long as there is a valid will (but if a spouse dies without a will, their children and other family members assume the inheritance rights, leaving the surviving common-law spouse with none)
Use of a medical power of attorney (POA) designating their common-law spouse as the person (rather than another family member) to make medical decisions when they are incapable.

Being unable to file together, unable to gift each other without possibly taxing each other, unable to do deductions together, they all add up. The IRS wil not allow you to file jointly either if you're not legally married.

wartutor said:
Why the fuck would anyone want that when they are gay/bi/trans/lgbtq/wtf by defination what they do is a sin to god.

Is loving another person that isn't the opposite sex truly sinful?
I love my partner as much as they love me. As much as your significant other, loves you.

The only difference we have, is that I will respect your love to your loved one, but you won't respect mine, to the person I love, purely because of aesthetics.
You don't care about my(or people like me) devotion to our loved one(s)
You don't care how true we keep to each other, honesty, love, compassion, trust, none of that matters.

You'll use the that one difference, as ammunition to call us undeserving. And use religion as your shield for when people call out on your hatred.

I was taught several religious and spiritual concepts as a kid. From Christianity, for the brief time my mom exposed it to me, altruism, caring for others, doing what you can to help others was what I pulled from it. From Buddhism, the concept of inner-balance in oneself. And from wiccan, concepts of balance with life, and effectively the concept of karma.

I don't have a religion or spiritual belief, you can call me an atheist. If god, in the christian sense, created me in his image, then people, like me, are a part of that image.

Your just using your devotion to your religion, to the dogma you and others have, as an excuse to cover hatred.
To wield the title of Christian, and say "I'm not a terrible person, I'm Christian" while going against christian beliefs in your actions.

tabzer · Dec 3, 2022

Sounds like the problem is of taxation.

wartutor · Dec 3, 2022

Nothereed said:
because the system only up to this point recognized your definition of marriage. It intentionally carved out people who don't match that definition. And as a result, laws designed around that archaic way of viewing things. Intentionally harmed non conforming couples.

Said couples want to marry, they want to have their wedding day and have it recognized by the state, but previously couldn't.
Marrying is not exclusive to Christianity, sorry to tell you that.

Additionally, straight couples would have a unfair advantage against gay ones, due to laws up until 2015, and this new law.

https://www.investopedia.com/financ...vs.-common-law-what-it-means-financially.aspx

Eligibility to receive Social Security benefits as long as they can prove the number of years they lived together in a common-law state2324

Qualifying for employer benefits through their spouse, such as health insurance

Exemption from the gift tax for gifts to each other

Unlimited marital exemptions for their estate up to the federal estate tax limit

Claiming deductions for mortgage interest (if they co-own a house) and children (if applicable)

Inheritance of their spouse’s property as long as there is a valid will (but if a spouse dies without a will, their children and other family members assume the inheritance rights, leaving the surviving common-law spouse with none)

Use of a medical power of attorney (POA) designating their common-law spouse as the person (rather than another family member) to make medical decisions when they are incapable.

Being unable to file together, unable to gift each other without possibly taxing each other, unable to do deductions together, they all add up. The IRS wil not allow you to file jointly either if you're not legally married.

Is loving another person that isn't the opposite sex truly sinful?
I love my partner as much as they love me. As much as your significant other, loves you.

The only difference we have, is that I will respect your love to your loved one, but you won't respect mine, to the person I love, purely because of aesthetics.
You don't care about my(or people like me) devotion to our loved one(s)
You don't care how true we keep to each other, honesty, love, compassion, trust, none of that matters.

You'll use the that one difference, as ammunition to call us undeserving. And use religion as your shield for when people call out on your hatred.

I was taught several religious and spiritual concepts as a kid. From Christianity, for the brief time my mom exposed it to me, altruism, caring for others, doing what you can to help others was what I pulled from it. From Buddhism, the concept of inner-balance in oneself. And from wiccan, concepts of balance with life, and effectively the concept of karma.

I don't have a religion or spiritual belief, you can call me an atheist. If god, in the christian sense, created me in his image, then people, like me, are a part of that image.

Your just using your devotion to your religion, to the dogma you and others have, as an excuse to cover hatred.
To wield the title of Christian, and say "I'm not a terrible person, I'm Christian" while going against christian beliefs in your actions.

I agree they should be able to marry and do what they want and no as stated that god and sin crap is just that crap...another way some controlling relic from the past manipulates the masses to do their will. Just like all governments if people could be decent and treat others with respect we wouldnt need them to tell us how to live. But all of them go beyond just protecting and serving the people to the point the world would be better off without them.

mrmagicm · Dec 4, 2022

wartutor Additionally, straight couples would have a unfair advantage against gay ones

Sorry, but marriage is historical through something bigger than me or you, through human history and logic through time, our lifetime span is nothing compared to what has been of the one of humanity before us, and because of this, in order to not alterate past that has lead to today, it's not been "unfair" like you just think in your mind, this was a word granted to original couple, THAT'S ALL.....Religion in time is not a shield, it's a fact, like the existence of the dictionnary.
If you are talking "fair", just accept give another word to the union and grant rights depending of necessity as you wish, that's all! Don't STEAL a word from another population of people.
Also, it would be more "precise" like the word manobot I told you (union of a robot and a man), now everyone knows what it concerns, I am just making your woked brain realize the fact that you cannot modify a word as you wish just because it is you and your interest. I'm not devoted to anything except logic and respect for past likeand you try to link me to a religion and that is fun, completly woke reaction... I'm not even close to it or to a party.
Why does a freaking person always thinks his timeline is so more important than the one that was before him? soon you are going to call soon a marriage between a cyborg and a human or an animal with a human, and that is a total illogical disaster.
It's like stealing a something from a population and giving it to another population....No, you don't do that, for respect, you give a new something same to the new population, maybe there as been a big decrease of marriages because of that, did your empathy managed to discover the numbers of marriage had fallen? Well it mathematically did. Maybe also because the anti-republican people spoiled and rot the word at the point of not meaning anything anymore for many people...Reality I guess.

lolcatzuru · Dec 4, 2022

Nothereed said:
The majority of Senate Republicans voted against the Respect for Marriage Act, which was recently passed within the senate with only 12 Republicans voting yes on the bill. The Respect for Marriage Act protects interracial marriages and same sex marriages.

It Repeals the Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as purely between man and women and nothing else. The Supreme court in 2015, ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges already rendering that bill as null.

Source:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...respect-for-marriage-act-these-37-republicans

and yet it passed, guess the blue hairs got what they wanted.

impeeza · Dec 4, 2022

I am American but nothing to do with that law, I live on South America, is part of the America continent. not should be United States of America???

mrmagicm · Dec 4, 2022

Yep Impezaa, they didn't realize they're north americans, not just americans....They should speak of USA laws, not american laws
Also, from an external point of view (Europe), I think democrats haven't realize that if their country is still "fine", it's more because of Republicans more than them :rofl2:

They should work together, and not one against the other

lolcatzuru · Dec 4, 2022

impeeza said:
I am American but nothing to do with that law, I live on South America, is part of the America continent. not should be United States of America???

nope, we already have stretched ourselves way to thin due to Brandon's politics, that's the last thing we need.

wartutor · Dec 4, 2022

mrmagicm said:
Sorry, but marriage is historical through something bigger than me or you, through human history and logic through time, our lifetime span is nothing compared to what has been of the one of humanity before us, and because of this, in order to not alterate past that has lead to today, it's not been "unfair" like you just think in your mind, this was a word granted to original couple, THAT'S ALL.....Religion in time is not a shield, it's a fact, like the existence of the dictionnary.
If you are talking "fair", just accept give another word to the union and grant rights depending of necessity as you wish, that's all! Don't STEAL a word from another population of people.
Also, it would be more "precise" like the word manobot I told you (union of a robot and a man), now everyone knows what it concerns, I am just making your woked brain realize the fact that you cannot modify a word as you wish just because it is you and your interest. I'm not devoted to anything except logic and respect for past likeand you try to link me to a religion and that is fun, completly woke reaction... I'm not even close to it or to a party.
Why does a freaking person always thinks his timeline is so more important than the one that was before him? soon you are going to call soon a marriage between a cyborg and a human or an animal with a human, and that is a total illogical disaster.
It's like stealing a something from a population and giving it to another population....No, you don't do that, for respect, you give a new something same to the new population, maybe there as been a big decrease of marriages because of that, did your empathy managed to discover the numbers of marriage had fallen? Well it mathematically did. Maybe also because the anti-republican people spoiled and rot the word at the point of not meaning anything anymore for many people...Reality I guess.

I never said it was unfair #nothereed did in this post.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/37-repu...riage-act-in-the-senate.622521/#post-10015108

And im not woke dumb ass actually im about middle of the isle. It appears to me either you dont speak English as a first language and are loosing stuff in translation or just to damn stupid or drunk to follow the conversation.

lolcatzuru · Dec 4, 2022

wartutor said:
I never said it was unfair #nothereed did in this post.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/37-repu...riage-act-in-the-senate.622521/#post-10015108

And im not woke dumb ass actually im about middle of the isle. It appears to me either you dont speak English as a first language and are loosing stuff in translation or just to damn stupid or drunk to follow the conversation.

you cant take reed seriously, he has a reason.

Deleted member 571007 · Dec 4, 2022

I still honestly don't understand why the government, whether it be Federal or State needs to concern themselves with marriage in the first place. Allow people to marry whoever they want - end of story. But no, make it complicated ig.

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