Difference: DSONE and DSTWO carts?

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I was told that modern "DSONE" clones are pretty good carts for the price, but to order multiple ones, since a lot of them arrive broken. So i did that.

I am aware however that a successor called "DSTWO" existed.

Does anyone remember what the main differences between those two older flashcarts were?
 
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I was told that modern "DSONE" clones are pretty good carts for the price, but to order multiple ones, since a lot of them arrive broken. So i did that.

I am aware however that a successor called "DSTWO" existed.

Does anyone remember what the main differences between those two older flashcarts were?
The DSTWO has a processor for emulation such as GBA, back then the DS wasn't capable for such tasks.
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Still there are a lot of great emulators for the DSTWO such as an emulator for the PS1.
 

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The DSTWO has a processor for emulation such as GBA, back then the DS wasn't capable for such tasks.
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Still there are a lot of great emulators for the DSTWO such as an emulator for the PS1.
I could be wrong here, but i think i remember the DSTWO also having a better cheat-system?
I think it let you toggle cheats on and off during game by button combination?
Not sure tho, its been too long, cant remember all of it.
 

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I could be wrong here, but i think i remember the DSTWO also having a better cheat-system?
I think it let you toggle cheats on and off during game by button combination?
Not sure tho, its been too long, cant remember all of it.
Looks like the DSTWO's cheat system is a little better, but not by much. Has a built-in cheat editor.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181007064911/https://eng.supercard.sc/manual/dsone/cheat.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20180316134838/http://eng.supercard.sc/manual/dstwo
https://web.archive.org/web/2018031...percard.sc/manual/dstwo/Free_Cheat_manual.htm
 

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Ah, alright. Yeah, i did remember something about that!
I was wondering wether it would be worth it to chase down a used DSTWO if at all possible for a fair price.
Maybe some people can remember other differences still.
 
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Ah, alright. Yeah, i did remember something about that!
I was wondering wether it would be worth it to chase down a used DSTWO if at all possible for a fair price.
Maybe some people can remember other differences still.
DSTWO carts are going for stupid crazy (at least $110 USD unless you get a good deal) depending on the version.

The blue PCB (3-in-1) should be cheaper, but the green PCB (Plus variant - 4-in-1) is expensive because of the Gateway emulation novelty and rarity (in my opinion).

And honestly, in my opinion, the real time cheat editor isn't that amazing to justify buying an expensive device specifically for it.
 
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DSTWO carts are going for stupid crazy (at least $110 USD unless you get a good deal) depending on the version.

The blue PCB (3-in-1) should be cheaper, but the green PCB (Plus variant - 4-in-1) is expensive because of the Gateway emulation novelty and rarity (in my opinion).

And honestly, in my opinion, the real time cheat editor isn't that amazing to justify buying an expensive device specifically for it.
are there any other functional differences tho aside from the emulators?
 
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Probably true. I dont care about gba emulation either, but i was wondering if maybe the DSTWO had a better antipiracy engine, newer OS versions or anything, you know?
Maybe even better homebrew support or things under the hood that normies like me wouldnt know about
 
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The last version of the DSTWO firmware is EOS v1.1.4. I don't have a DSTWO with me to check whether homebrew support or the AP engine is better, so take everything with a grain of salt.
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I do however have an Acekard 2i and anti-piracy support is alright, works perfectly with known games such as "MJ: The Experience", should work also with the later Pokemon games.
 

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Are there any DSONE or DSTWO clones that can be bought from Amazon? So far i've only been able to find R4 clones there.
Only DSONEs are being sold (either clones or old stock?).

You'll need to buy from Ebay or AliExpress (the former preferably) since Amazon doesn't really like these types of devices. And they're cheaper to buy there than what Amazon would be selling them for. $10-$15 on Ebay compared to Amazon's $25-$30+.
 

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i was wondering if maybe the DSTWO had a better antipiracy engine, newer OS versions or anything, you know?
Flashcarts are generally rather indistinguishable. The only features one might generally look out for are timebombs, support for newer DSi/3DS firmware (but that's not especially important if one is just installing CFW), and support for ntrboot flashing (nice to have if you have a 3DS, but by no means essential).
 

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Flashcarts are generally rather indistinguishable. The only features one might generally look out for are timebombs, support for newer DSi/3DS firmware (but that's not especially important if one is just installing CFW), and support for ntrboot flashing (nice to have if you have a 3DS, but by no means essential).
Features i am looking for are Savestates, toggleable cheats ingame, maybe compatibility with twilightmenu. Stuff like that
 

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Anti piracy is largely considered a sorted issue these days, though the DSTwo was there to the end so should be fine. Not sure if/when he dsone(i) was retired and its level of updates -- many things stopped after the big dsi/3ds DS flash cart blocking update, pokemon conquest and pokemon black 2 and white 2 being the thing most are concerned with there.
https://gbatemp.net/threads/ap-patch-preservation.477536/ for those that do end up with an EZ5i or something.

DSTwo savestates were probably the best in the end, nothing running natively inside the DS will ever be emulator grade though and you will still be advised to check things work first or otherwise get to a quiet point in the game, and be prepared to force a graphics/sound/whatever refresh (restart level, go into a building, go to a menu...).

Toggleable cheats was available for several things in the end, would be surprised if the DSone did not have something though. What I am more here to say though is making cheats toggleable is not that hard
https://doc.kodewerx.org/hacking_nds.html
Two main approaches
1) If ye boring and basic infinite gold does not need to be infinite then easy enough to make it a button activated cheat inside the cheat engine such that you set it to however much you need with a simple combo press of your choice.
2) If the cheat does really need to be on all the time (infinite health if certain combos will nail you) until it isn't then it is marginally more complicated.
You will want to find some area of memory not used in the game (used to be DEADBEEF option in DSATM, which does also have options to disable its cheats, was also a version of desmume that noted reads). Once you have that you can
Make an activator cheat toggle this area or have two combos, one to enable, one to disable (possibly disabling multiple things depending upon what you want to do).
Have another cheat read said area. IF =1 then load the always write cheat, IF=0 then don't.
Can have as many different combos here as you like/can remember/can reasonably encode as well for most cheat engines are an all or nothing if enable/disable is a cart level feature. Do also bear in mind closing the lid/waving a magnet about start-select for the clamshell DS playing devices counts as a button as well and does not just do sleep mode.

2a) If the infinite health, time or whatever is going to be a problem for say end of level (had many games over the years run down timers and health to add bonus score at end of level), or need to get below a certain health to trigger an event then you can make a better cheat still that detects the event/conditions happening (there has to be some tell in memory somewhere) and disables if so. Most people in this scenario just default it to 1) or tell people to swap out/disable cheats when that level/event happens.

Cheat editors (I used a related one for the ISMM that was based on the same code) if you mean the onboard cheat finder were more of a novelty than something to use in anger. By the time they appeared then emulators were more than capable of such feats (if it had appeared while people were still messing with the ensata emulator or something or could dodge having to get the datel trainer toolkit* while the best cheat makers were still using that then that would be a different matter).

*thought I had found one the other week but was just the later cheat only one.

twilightmenu compatibility you are on your own for.
 
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