Homebrew Is it even worth waiting for homebrew on a patched switch on 10.X.0?

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its rather Ironic when you post a wiki page explaining a fallacy and then proceed to agree with the fallacy
What's ironic is saying that I don't know about the subject while proceeding to show how you don't actually understand what you're talking about.
Just read and you'll learn. If you just conclude everything by « it's just a fallacy » then you're learned nothing.

But I have an easier read for you, basically a tldr, I couldn't have done better : https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority.
 
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There are trust worthy people, they earn people's trust and people believe them, there isn't much that humans are able to learn on their own, most of our believe comes from people or sources that we trust, trust worthy people are not gods, they are of course not always right.

Being right is very different from being trust worthy. A broken clock is absolutely right twice a day, which none of the trust worthy ones can claim.
this is exactly why the fallacy happens in the first place they trust the person regardless of right or wrong. once the person gains the trust they can say whatever they want and people will follow in line. thats why its a fallacy
 

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this is exactly why the fallacy happens in the first place they trust the person regardless of right or wrong. once the persons gains the trust they can say whatever they want and people will follow in line. thats why its a fallacy
The point is : not necessarily. It's really not that hard to get honestly.
If you think you can contradict somebody with the actual empirical evidences and knowledge, then just do it, otherwise just saying « muh don't ask for sources because you're doing a fallacy » doesn't make any sense
 
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What is "worth waiting for"? Normally the question can only be answered by a cost benefit analysis.
If the cost is nothing and the benefit is hope then it's a no-brainer.

Everyone is shooting in the dark and probably barking up the wrong three.
 
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The point is : not necessarily. It's really not that hard to get honestly.
If you think you can contradict somebody with the actual empirical evidences and knowledge, then just do it, otherwise just saying « muh don't ask for sources because you're doing a fallacy » doesn't make any sense
and yet Argumentum Ad Verecundiam/argument of authority/appeal to authority exists for people just like you. this person said this so it must be true without a doubt
 

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and yet Argumentum Ad Verecundiam/argument of authority/appeal to authority exists for people just like you. this person said this so it must be true without a doubt
Blindly following is different from trusting some people more than others. Everybody trust somebody for somethings. If SciresM say there is no bug I would assume that it is highly unlikely that a bug can be found. Whether I seek a second opinion would depends on what are the stakes. There is not much reason for me to not just take his word for it.
 
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and yet Argumentum Ad Verecundiam/argument of authority/appeal of authority exists for people just like you
No, I have never said that because somebody says and is an authority, he must be right. I actually said the opposite even, I've said that being an authority isn't enough. But hey : https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

I don't even get how the fuck can you conclude that people asking for sources are doing a fallacy when it's absolutely not.
You should absolutely come with evidence and sources when you're doing a claim that's not common sense, and by common sense I mean saying stuff like « the skye is blue », but if somebody is saying that the console is unhackable, you're not doing a fallacy by asking sources of that, it's really that simple. Could you tell me what's the wrong in that ?
 
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hackable source = history repeating itself lmfao
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But that's not what happened tho. It was about somebody saying it was unhackable, and someone else asking for the reasoning behind that, so the guy claiming it was unhackable would have to provide an explanation, a source. Which is absolutely fair, and you've been saying that's a fallacy, which is why I ask you what's wrong with that and you haven't answered to that question so now I'll just assume you're arguing in bad faith. Next time you're arguing online just try to have something else than just « argument by authority » in mind especially if you don't know how to use it.

But I guess that's on me ? Maybe I should have known that when you're called « deathblade » you aren't meant to be taken seriously, I'm trying to give everyone a chance tho (I've made a logical fallacy just for you, find it :ninja:)
 

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But that's not what happened tho. It was about somebody saying it was unhackable, and someone else asking for the reasoning behind that, so the guy claiming it was unhackable would have to provide an explanation, a source. Which is absolutely fair, and you've been saying that's a fallacy, which is why I ask you what's wrong with that and you haven't answered to that question so now I'll just assume you're arguing in bad faith. Next time you're arguing online just try to have something else than just « argument by authority » in mind especially if you don't know how to use it.

But I guess that's on me ? Maybe I should have known that when you're called « deathblade » you aren't meant to be taken seriously, I'm trying to give everyone a chance tho (I've made a logical fallacy just for you, find it :ninja:)
reading your posts give me an aneurysm. "source" is never used as anything but a way to put somebody down simple as that. even when a source is given they use appeal to authority to attempt to discredit it and avoid admitting they are wrong. on top of that not everything needs a "source" and can be processed with this crazy rare thing called logic which for something like this is the case but again "source" is just an attempt to discredit. anybody who says its unhackable is just straight up stupid and disregards history. no its not hackable NOW but it will inevitably be eventually. I just absolutely can't stand any fucker that goes "source?"
 
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by only trusting what devs say and disregarding anything else.
There is nothing else.

On one hand we have people who have hacked the switch and are constantly looking at the new OS versions to try to find an exploit.

On the other hand, we have people who aren't trying to hack the switch who believe that a hack will eventually come because they want one. They are putting themselves forward as an authority on the subject, because they have seen that others have hacked other consoles in the past.

anybody who says its unhackable is just straight up stupid and disregards history. no its not hackable NOW but it will inevitably be eventually.
You are putting yourself forward as an authority. You have no evidence, only guess work.

Ps2 slims remained unhacked until 2020

My ps2 slim was hacked before 2020. Some of the later ones wouldn't work with freemcboot, but nobody cared. Ps2 has very little security & the memory card code is full of exploits. You can't say that ps2 got a hack in 2020, so switch will get another hack.

There are 5 switch exploits listed on the wiki
https://wiki.gbatemp.net/wiki/List_of_Switch_exploits

The ps2 has independence, freemcboot, freehdboot, fortuna or freedvdboot.

The switch hacking was rushed and loads of exploits found early and because it was during it's life time then nintendo could patch them.
 
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There is nothing else.

On one hand we have people who have hacked the switch and are constantly looking at the new OS versions to try to find an exploit.

On the other hand, we have people who aren't trying to hack the switch who believe that a hack will eventually come because they want one. They are putting themselves forward as an authority on the subject, because they have seen that others have hacked other consoles in the past.


You are putting yourself forward as an authority. You have no evidence, only guess work.
anybody that says its unhackable are the same pests that infest every sngle console hack scene. they are ALWAYS proven wrong every single time. as stated before the ONLY way a device could be unhackable is for it to be a perfectly coded which is literally impossible to do. I've seen this same "its unhackable" shit time and time again it needs to end already. this is literally the same bullshit I saw for the vita at the 5 year point.
 
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Hello, 2 years ago I posted a thread to this forum asking whether or not I should wait for homebrew. The responses back then were essentially no unless you want to use the crappy SX thing. I am back, still on Mariko 10.2.0, I ask once again; Is there a way to get Atmosphere (or whatever the common FOSS CFW is) using those mod-chips, if not, does the future likely hold a method to do this in SW? I can wait, as long as it's foreseeable that it will happen atleast before Nintendo releases a fully new console. The switch library doesn't really interest me so I'm not really on the edge of wanting to update, running Android & emulators is far more appealing than the 2 games on the switch that I would even consider, it's already a paper weight in its current state to me, I'm not afraid of bricks by failed mod chip installation.
If you dont like the Switch library you have better hardware/options than Switch for android+emulators if thats your main goal.
Is it worth the wait? No. Users waiting/believing a new exploit will come out of nowhere in the next 2-5 years are just naive.

Unpatched v1 consoles listed online are not rare or hard to find, neither laughable expensive.
V2's and OLED+modchips are another history but if you want the best you need to pay, like it or not.
yeah you can wait forever if you want it for free... but no dev/hacker is going to fulfill anyones believing/demanding for future hacks.
 

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lmao why is this thread 5 pages long and still going?
Because reasons. :rofl2:

On one hand we have people who have taken a deep dive into Nintendo's software and said that it is highly unlikely to softmod.

On the other hand there are the people who insist that nothing is perfect and an exploit is just out there waiting to be found. (Though the Switch software has never been exploited, even the V1 softmod is an exploit of Nvidia's code, not Nintendo's.)

The rest of us are simply enjoying the popcorn and watching the show or stirring the pot.
 

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Because reasons. :rofl2:

On one hand we have people who have taken a deep dive into Nintendo's software and said that it is highly unlikely to softmod.

On the other hand there are the people who insist that nothing is perfect and an exploit is just out there waiting to be found. (Though the Switch software has never been exploited, even the V1 softmod is an exploit of Nvidia's code, not Nintendo's.)

The rest of us are simply enjoying the popcorn and watching the show or stirring the pot.
Well don't forget the Pegasus exploit that got quickly patched
 

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anybody that says its unhackable are the same pests that infest every sngle console hack scene. they are ALWAYS proven wrong every single time. as stated before the ONLY way a device could be unhackable is for it to be a perfectly coded which is literally impossible to do. I've seen this same "its unhackable" shit time and time again it needs to end already. this is literally the same bullshit I saw for the vita at the 5 year point.
I'd recommend looking at Horizon's design a bit. It was completely written from scratch by nintendo with them having learned off their past mistakes. Almost everything is split off into its own userspace process with none of those userspace processes having enough privileges to get you full CFW if taken over. Then only the bare minimum necessary runs at a more privileged level in el1 or el3, with their el3/trustzone firmware binary (the mariko one specifically) being a mere 56KiB (with about 32KiB actually containing any data), and their el1/kernel firmware binary being ~561KiB. These are tiny, and particularly with the trustzone firmware, once you get down to these kinds of sizes there's only so much you can do and it quickly becomes a if question rather than a where/when question in terms if any vulns exist.
If Scires says there's no vulns good enough to get CFW, I believe him.
 

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