It is irrational, because it's faith. Isn't that the whole point?I am not making the argument that god exists or that you should believe so. I am pointing out that you think things are irrational.
It is irrational, because it's faith. Isn't that the whole point?I am not making the argument that god exists or that you should believe so. I am pointing out that you think things are irrational.
Did she mentioned something like: "I didn't wanted to be all alone with a guy"Me too, we went to the cinema. I'm pretty sure there were three of us
Ah... no...Not cute enough to worry about though.
I might have higher standards ;-)Did she mentioned something like: "I didn't wanted to be all alone with a guy"
If she did... then we probably dated the same chick!
Ah... no...
It is irrational, because it's faith. Isn't that the whole point?
You're arguing that something is rational when it isn't. If you are going to do that, you must show how it's rational, and that's going to require you to provide evidence that a god exists (if we're talking about theistic religious beliefs). It isn't rocket science.
Until you can do that, I'm justified in saying religions are irrational.
People generally claim their beliefs are rational, even when they aren't. What matters is whether or not a belief is rational, not whether or not they claim it's rational.I'm sure that people don't say,"hey, I am going to place my faith into something because it is irrational." Even if they do, it's probably for the sense of euphoria that comes with not giving a fuck. Even then, there is a cause.
Religions exist. Lots of irrational beliefs exist. That doesn't make them rational. Believing in a "higher power" is not rational if there's no evidence for that higher power's existence.No I'm not. I'm saying irrational things don't actually exist. Religions exist. Ideas exist. People don't do things for no reason. For some people, believing in "a higher power" is a form of rationalization.
How would someone know they were experiencing irrational thoughts?I'm sure that people don't say,"hey, I am going to place my faith into something because it is irrational." Even if they do, it's probably for the sense of euphoria that comes with not giving a fuck. Even then, there is a cause.
Thinking is the act of rationalization. Justifying something is synonymous to rationalizing.How would someone know they were experiencing irrational thoughts?
Justifying something to yourself doesn't make it rational
There are subforums here for things that aren't about video games, including the one you currently find yourself in. If you don't want to pay attention to it, you don't have to. You can even remove it from your feed.bro this is a fucking videogame forum stfu with your personal issues
To be clear, when we talk about something being rational, we don't just mean someone has thought about it. We mean it's logically sound. For something to be logically sound, the conclusions must logically follow the premises, and the premises must be demonstrably true.Thinking is the act of rationalization. Justifying something is synonymous to rationalizing.
I'd just like to post this thread as my parents and sisters (no, I don't have a brother) are JWs and what they do and what they stand for doesn't make much sense.
Here's a documentary of JW:
Now, what do I mean by "illogical," you may ask?
- "All men are evil" but the ones in charge of JW are men
- "Jehovah will kill all nonbelievers" the "God" they made up isn't very loving (but think he is)
- "Jehovah" they use His name in almost every sentence and think of Him as a "friend" or an imaginary friend
- "Homosexuality is bad" but they still pretend they welcome everyone
- They tend to use insulting terms for non-JW followers which shows they don't respect others if they're not part of JW
- They don't celebrate Christmas despite being a Christian religion
- They don't celebrate Birthdays, but they celebrate New Year (until they ban this too)
- They've said Armageddon was coming in 1914 and 1918, yet here we are
- They see their sect/cult/religion as the "true" one and all others are fake
- If the Armageddon is coming then why do they have billions of dollars?
- If a JW person is in a relationship with a non-JW, then they're "doomed" to this world
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This could go on and on. My point is, I believe there's a God / Superior Being who created the world, but it ain't how the JWs describe it as. Furthermore, no one alive truly knows and the closest "evidence" are Bibles which I wouldn't trust to be the truth.
Religions don't exist in vacuum. The conclusion that religions aren't logically sound isn't logically sound. You pretty much see what you want, and if you think that all religions have a centralized authority that perpetuates an immutable belief, then it could be said that you are "closer to god" than most.There are subforums here for things that aren't about video games, including the one you currently find yourself in. If you don't want to pay attention to it, you don't have to. You can even remove it from your feed.
If we want to talk about things you shouldn't be doing on a forum, we could talk about how your post doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation, or we could talk about your double posting.
To be clear, when we talk about something being rational, we don't just mean someone has thought about it. We mean it's logically sound. For something to be logically sound, the conclusions must logically follow the premises, and the premises must be demonstrably true.
Religious beliefs are irrational, meaning they are not logically sound. If a person cares more about the truthfulness of a claim than the claim itself, then that person cannot believe those arguments if they are not logically sound.
the name "witnesses" is taken from a psalm.I can understand about Jehovah (And/ or YHWH).. it's the "witnesses" part that i don't understand, like what did they "witness" exactly?
Just because you can rationalize something, doesn't make it rational.Thinking is the act of rationalization. Justifying something is synonymous to rationalizing.
Your conclusion isn't logically sound, you've based it on emotion & not logic.The conclusion that religions aren't logically sound isn't logically sound.
Yes, it is. Rejection of a religious claim that isn't supported by evidence is literally the only sound and reasonable position to take.The conclusion that religions aren't logically sound isn't logically sound.
No, my beliefs are based on whether or not there's evidence, not whether or not it's what I "want." If my beliefs were based on what I "what," I'd believe all sorts of untrue things.You pretty much see what you want
I didn't make this claim.if you think that all religions have a centralized authority that perpetuates an immutable belief
A lot of bad things exist in our world. That means that a god either doesn't want to help, or can't. Either one makes the god undeserving of worship if it exists.Why believe in a God or some other almighty being who takes care of you, when it let's things like cancer, ms, dementia exists.... War, hunger, extinction of animals... Yes I know the last ones are men made but as a good father or mother of his/her children and being onmipotent some intervention is expected.
So no: God is a fairy tale created by men who wants to rule and take control over the masses. Luckily I can not get burned anymore.
I am not a JW, but I can play devil´s advocate and defend them. I suspect a colleague of mine is a JW, but I have never asked him.This could go on and on. My point is, I believe there's a God / Superior Being who created the world, but it ain't how the JWs describe it as. Furthermore, no one alive truly knows and the closest "evidence" are Bibles which I wouldn't trust to be the truth.
In the same way that one could denounce all religions based on their atheism I can basically do the same to denounce their system of belief only based on the fact that their truth is no absolute greater than other (older) religions.Why believe in a God or some other almighty being who takes care of you, when it let's things like cancer, ms, dementia exists.... War, hunger, extinction of animals... Yes I know the last ones are men made but as a good father or mother of his/her children and being onmipotent some intervention is expected.
So no: God is a fairy tale created by men who wants to rule and take control over the masses. Luckily I can not get burned anymore.
Most atheists reject religious claims because those claims have not met their burdens of proof. Atheism is not a positive claim, and it isn't a "belief."In the same way that one could denounce all religions based on their atheism I can basically do the same to denounce their system of belief only based on the fact that their truth is no absolute greater than other (older) religions.
Honestly I find atheism to exist on the same coin as most religions. Absence of proof of God or the afterlife is still a belief that you want to preach and argue about. Its the same concept of self satisfactory ego stroking you get regardless of which system of belief you fall into.
The path of clarity has no determinate on truth. Because the ultimate truth is we simply do not know of the existence of these things beyond our limited corporeal state of being. Those who claim to are only acting in their beliefs, in what they find themselves in or are brought into believing. The structure of faith is manipulated, originally meant for a peace of mind that is nigh-obtainable but now is used as a form of transaction between peace and duty in the form of following. The older faiths are harder to despite given their age and formation but the newer faiths of recent can easily be tracked to their origins and be broken down as the falsehood that they pretend to operate as a religion. These newer structures only shine light on how problematic the older faiths have been as these newer faiths take the original concept and take it into cult like directions.
With that said, and dismissing the newer faiths. I personally exist seeing both sides of the coin and coming to the conclusion that there is no whole truth that we will ever reach with absolute fact. Probably never in our lifetimes at least. With that there is a peace in being open minded about interpretations of faith but not letting it control your life or deciding factors for things. After all religion should not have that much personal rule over one's life. It should be about how one lives their best life doing the right things for themselves and for others. Once that deviates into control, or screwing over others because its fine to believe so, then that all falls apart.