Austria first country to make Covid vaccine mandatory

[Foxi4]

But you don't know this is exactly wrong decision. I don't protect the officials!!! But I'm just scared so many ppl die because of the virus, not because of the vax!

I know it’s the wrong decision because it violates basic human rights. Your fear of the virus does not empower you or the government to make healthcare decisions on behalf of other people.

 

[zellko]

Ok, but you aren't Dr of Medical Sciences to know what's better for your health. I understand that a person need to have a choice. But what to do if there are so many ppl who are against it and who don't understand this could possibly save their life?

 

[Foxi4]

Ok, but you aren't Dr of Medical Sciences to know what's better for your health. I understand that a person need to have a choice. But what to do if there are so many ppl who are against it and who don't understand this could possibly save their life?

Nothing. It’s not your life to save. You get the jab - you should, it’s good. I don’t need to be a doctor of any kind of sciences to know that you can’t give someone medicine they don’t want.

 

[zellko]

Nothing. It’s not your life to save. You get the jab - you should, it’s good. I don’t need to be a doctor of any kind of sciences to know that you can’t give someone medicine they don’t want.

Yeah, you're right. I don't dispute with you. It shouldn't be mandatory. I just say it's a sane recommendation and don't get why ppl don't want to follow it. But again, it's only my worries

 

[JaapDaniels]

My opinion it's good there's somepush to get the vaccin since:

• It helps lowering the costs of hospitals.
• Helps lower the number of unneceserry deaths (older people a special), so yes i blame those who don't vaccinate partly for the high death rates of grandmothers and grandfathers and already ill people.
• It helps you tou have less chance of getting sick.
• It helps you for the chances of a (total) lockdown get get lowered.
• It helps you for your bills will drop if everything is open, if healthcare is closer to the normal bill, if your covernment doesn't have to help those who are in financial need.

Why it shouldn't be mandatory:

• You don't know if someone has an allready weakened health.
• Each person has the right to choose what's gonna happen to its body.
• You might have an extreme fear for either the vaccin or the needle.
• Religion might tell you it's wrong.

But, having a right doesn't have to mean it's without consequences:

• By this i mean i think it's the right to the mass that if someone is a threat to thier health (and unvaccinated people are a threat to thier surrounding people) that they should get protection from those who are creating this risk.
• I think it's only right to streicten laws to lower the risks by saying on crouded places you should at least split those unvaccinated from those vaccinated.
• I think it's quite normal to say for big party's you have to proof you're vaccinated.

By now it's proven that vaccin works better than being cured, your body holds its gaurd longer.
By now it's proven that the vaccin helps big time in keeping you out of the hospital (but yes you might still get sick).
By now it's proven that getting vaccinated lowers the spreading of the virus, but it doesn't stop it (just as you heal faster you being a spreader for a shorter term).

 

[obs123194]

Sounds like a great start. Hope the U.S.A. is next. My favorite part is that the unvaccinated morons can't participate in public events. Their tears are delicious.

yeah that's not gonna happen buddy

 

[Jayro]

yeah that's not gonna happen buddy

Most of us wouldn't have a problem with it, just the dumb anti-vaxxers. And fuck their shitty opinions, lol.

 

[tabzer]

Yeah yeah, you think everything and everyone is inherently corrupt and corruptible to the exact same extent. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that, Mr. Nihilist.

Didn't say that either. When are you gonna get it right?

 

[tabzer]

Most of us wouldn't have a problem with it, just the dumb anti-vaxxers. And fuck their shitty opinions, lol.

I think a lot more than %30 of Americans would have a problem with enforced medical assault. I do believe they still educate people about the Holocaust in schools. People in wishing others medical assault are, hopefully, fewer. I don't understand why they are allowed to be so loud on this board, but my relatively tame jabs are not.

 

[Xzi]

The way you go about mandated vaccines properly is to just make them a requirement to attend public school as we've done for decades. Parents can make empty threats about sending their kids to private schools all they want, as most of those require a certain baseline of vaccinations as well. Knowing that students will be packed together tightly in an enclosed space for years and years of their lives, it's just common sense. Eventually new generations replace the old, COVID goes extinct, and the opposition to a mandated vaccine looks as stupid in hindsight as opposition to MMR and polio vaccines does to us now.

 

[Jayro]

I think a lot more than %30 of Americans would have a problem with enforced medical assault. I do believe they still educate people about the Holocaust in schools. People in wishing others medical assault are, hopefully, fewer. I don't understand why they are allowed to be so loud on this board, but my relatively tame jabs are not.

I'm sorry, but I'm still laughing at "enforced medical assault".

The way you go about mandated vaccines properly is to just make them a requirement to attend public school as we've done for decades. Parents can make empty threats about sending their kids to private schools all they want, as most of those require a certain baseline of vaccinations as well. Knowing that students will be packed together tightly in an enclosed space for years and years of their lives, it's just common sense. Eventually new generations replace the old, COVID goes extinct, and the opposition to a mandated vaccine looks as stupid in hindsight as opposition to MMR and polio vaccines does to us now.

You sir, nailed it.

 

[AlexMCS]

I don't understand why ppl are so hostile. Why it's better to die now from a virus, rather than take a risk of a shot? This is not a passer-by who tells you a vaccination can save your life, but authorities who know a lot about medicine, health care, etc...

Some CoViD-19 facts¹:
-It currently has a less than 2% lethality rate (peaked at ~7% in April, 2020, only got lower from there) and a small but significant (< 0.1%) mortality rate. Cancer has a 0.158% mortality rate, for comparison.
-Age and comorbidities are the main risk factors.
-Most cases (70%+) are asymptomatic or mild.
-Even the numbers on it, at least over here, are severely overblown: in most cases, if you die (even more so in hospitals) and get a positive CoViD-19 test after death, you died from CoViD-19, no questions asked.

Stop treating it like a death sentence.
It is a serious disease but it's not worse than cancer.

The whole issue with CoViD-19 is detection and spread. It spreads far too easily and is hard to detect.
There should be a lot more research on detection, instead of prevention or treatment alone.

Take the necessary precautions - masks, social distancing, alcohol etc. (vaccine included, if you are so inclined) and move on.

People were much more willing on risking experimental drug treatment with current medicines because those have known side effects. And other than abusing most of those drugs, there are no long term effects associated with them.

Most vaccines have unknown long term side effects.

All vaccines, even those "proven safe", are in an "experimental" emergency use authorization state by most health ministries in the world. They have not been proven safe at all on the long term. Even more so for the "novel" mRNA ones.

No vaccine has been deemed 100% safe by their manufacturers. That's the deal breaker for most people.

At the very least, CoronaVac, or similar alternatives, should be the #1 option due to the safety of its design.

The most alarming thing of all is that mRNA vaccines do seem to work as advertised.
The possibilities of using such tech for evil are tremendous.
And if they don't who knows what might happen.

[1] Data sources for the figures:
-https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
-https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
-https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics

 

[Immortallix]

Nobody's under the illusion that big pharmaceutical companies create vaccines out of the goodness of their hearts. If they weren't motivated by profit, they'd distribute said vaccines for free, rather than charging the governments of the world billions for them. No brand loyalty is required to get the vaccine, and ironically it's mostly anti-vaxxers which happen to be against taxing big pharma corporations more anyway.

When you say no one, are you excluding many in the big ol covid thread that seem to treat which vaccine they got as a personality trait?

 

[Xzi]

When you say no one, are you excluding many in the big ol covid thread that seem to treat which vaccine they got as a personality trait?

No. Stating which vaccine you got and the reasons why you chose that particular one does not have any connection to a person's demeanor toward big pharma as a whole industry.

 

[tabzer]

The way you go about mandated vaccines properly is to just make them a requirement to attend public school as we've done for decades. Parents can make empty threats about sending their kids to private schools all they want, as most of those require a certain baseline of vaccinations as well. Knowing that students will be packed together tightly in an enclosed space for years and years of their lives, it's just common sense. Eventually new generations replace the old, COVID goes extinct, and the opposition to a mandated vaccine looks as stupid in hindsight as opposition to MMR and polio vaccines does to us now.

Ever consider that the reason diseases tend to disappear may be mostly influenced by increased standards of living and cleanliness? Just because there is a "vaccine" doesn't mean that it is the reason why diseases disappeared. After all, correlation does not imply causation. (Hope that didn't trigger autism). On top of that, we have multiple strains of humanity that have persisted despite not being vaccinated. Maybe natural selection is on their side and not yours.

Just a couple thoughts. Wouldn't want to gaslight you into thinking that you are definitely going to die because you are not biologically equipped to handle living without government assistance.

 

[stanna]

Having had covid me my missus and six kids, it's just a fucking COLD, 4 days and back to NORMAL, get a grip people.

 

[wartutor]

I like how all these so called smart people want to go around blaming the unvaccinated for people getting sick and dying. Can you still get covid if you are vaccinated? Can you still spread it? Then logic dictates the people vaccinated and thinking they are better than everyone else and go around to this event and that event are the ones fuxing spreading it. Vaccinated or not if you think its ok to goto a party or sporting event you are spreading it and part of the problem. (If you think its a problem. I myself think its a cold on steroids.) Its been politicalized and used for this cause or that when in truth the origins should of been investigated immediatly (too damn late now.) Anyway use your brain instead of relying on people to tell you how to think. Quit blaming the unvaccinated when you and your kids go to school and this event or that event spreading it just as much (if not more). And just because i can #fjb

 

[NyaakoXD]

Now that's just disingenuous and ignoring so many things others have been saying. It's not solely the unvaccinated's fault, but many of them are still part of the problem.

• You can still get COVID-19 even if you're vaccinated, yes. However, the chances of you getting infected and suffering from heavier diseases that accompany COVID-19 is significantly lower, thus have a higher chance of survival.
• You can still spread it while vaccinated, yes. However, vaccinated people can spread it less since the body actively fights and eliminates as much of the virus in the body, so there's less to spread overall compared to the unvaccinated. All the more reason to get the vaccine especially around people who are immunocompromised and can't take the vaccine.
• If you go to events with huge amounts of people, of course it'll spread like crazy since lots of people are so near each other at close proximity that it's a lot easier to spread it around, vaccinated or not. All the more reason to get vaccinated anyways because it does help increase the odds of survival and getting milder effects.
• It shouldn't have to be political. It's just like every other vaccine out there. It's to help protect others, not be some dividing political bullshit.
• Did you know many schools require children to take certain vaccines before going to school? Obviously to protect the children and to lessen the spread of any potential virus/disease since children and teachers are grouped together in closed spaces, like classrooms.

It's not hard to see the issue when a huge majority of COVID-19 deaths are from the unvaccinated. Calling it a "cold on steroids" shows how ignorant you are and downplaying the threat of COVID-19 when it has infected and killed millions of lives within the past 2 years.

 

[Lucaserf]

Now that's just disingenuous and ignoring so many things others have been saying. It's not solely the unvaccinated's fault, but many of them are still part of the problem.

• You can still get COVID-19 even if you're vaccinated, yes. However, the chances of you getting infected and suffering from heavier diseases that accompany COVID-19 is significantly lower, thus have a higher chance of survival.
• You can still spread it while vaccinated, yes. However, vaccinated people can spread it less since the body actively fights and eliminates as much of the virus in the body, so there's less to spread overall compared to the unvaccinated. All the more reason to get the vaccine especially around people who are immunocompromised and can't take the vaccine.
• If you go to events with huge people, of course it'll spread like crazy since lots of people are so near each other at close proximity that it's a lot easier to spread it around, vaccinated or not. All the more reason to get vaccinated anyways because it does help increase the odds of survival and getting milder effects.
• It shouldn't have to be political. It's just like every other vaccine out there. It's to help protect others, not be some dividing political bullshit.
• Did you know many schools require children to take certain vaccines before going to school? Obviously to protect the children and to lessen the spread of any potential virus/disease since children and teachers are grouped together in closed spaces, like classrooms.

It's not hard to see the issue when a huge majority of COVID-19 deaths are from the unvaccinated. Calling it a "cold on steroids" shows how ignorant you are and downplaying the threat of COVID-19 when it has infected and killed millions of lives within the past 2 years.

5 million dead and people still call it "only a cold" smh

 

[subcon959]

It's to help protect others

It shouldn't be. Everyone who wants to protect themselves should get it, and everyone who doesn't want it should be able to not get it. It seems really weird to mandate a medical procedure so you help other people. I don't think it's a good idea for that sort of precedent to be set.