What sources back up the anti-vaccine movement?

[Lacius]

I am talking about the autonomy of the patient. Many of us live in countries in which patients can decide to get the genitals cut off if they so desire. A patient should be able to get ivermectine, even if the effect is only a placebo effect.

Patients don't have a right to whatever medicine they want, since many medications would be harmful to the patient and/or society at large if they were freely available. That's why prescriptions exist.

For example, a patient doesn't have unrestricted access to antibiotics when suffering from the flu. Not only would it not do anything and be a waste of resources (since the flu is caused by a virus, not a bacterium), but there can be objective harm to the patient from overusing antibiotics (killing good bacteria, increasing the odds of Clostridioides difficile, etc.), and there can be objective harm to society (increasing the rate at which antibiotic-resistant bacteria develops, etc.).

 

[The Catboy]

I am talking about the autonomy of the patient. Many of us live in countries in which patients can decide to get the genitals cut off if they so desire. A patient should be able to get ivermectine, even if the effect is only a placebo effect.

As a trans person, I am gonna tell you that this isn’t a right that we have. In fact, it’s a serious challenge that requires years of medical interventions, psychology evaluations, fighting with insurance, and countless other hoops that are required to possible get any surgeries done and covered. There’s obviously people who can pay their way past the insurance hoops but they can’t pay their way past the medical requirements (unless they are really wealthy.) Trans healthcare is just as regulated (if not more,) as all other forms of medical care. And just like vaccines, trans health related surgeries have been found to the most effective ways of helping trans people, just like preventive vaccines have been proven to be the most effective means of preventing the spread of disease. Ivermectine has not been proven to be preventive nor proven to be an effective means of treating Covid. The process of proving this has had to go through the same medical hoops as every other practice. A person wanting to take ivermectine is not doing so in their own best interest nor are they treating their illness, unless that illness is round worms, then it is in their best interest. Patients should have autonomy, but when it’s wasting time, resources, and not effective, the doctors should not invest into listening to them and treat them in the appropriate ways.

 

[Dakitten]

A doctor may be serving their own interests & not the patients, they are human after all.

Prescribing something just because "it can't hurt" is a bit random.

BTW The only paper that supported treating covid 19 with ivermectin, was withdrawn as it was very obviously fraudulent.

To be fair, the oath isn't a binding law and many doctors have, in fact, lined their own pockets by prescribing something because they believed it "Couldn't hurt" but still make them some profit... but it doesn't even matter in this particular thread since the vaccine has been tried out all over the world by bushels of docs who all report on the results of the global effort, and if you want to discuss the probability of a conspiracy, counting on every single doctor to betray said oath gets astronomical rather quickly!

 

[djpannda]

Americans Vaccinated Against Coronavirus Have Lower Mortality Rates — Even From Non-Covid Causes​

… hey look.. chances are they have lower mortality not because of the vaccine itself but most likely because people who got the vaccine where people that didn’t believe in stupid Conspiracy theories And do took ACTUAL CARE OF THEMSELVES.

 

[smf]

To be fair, the oath isn't a binding law and many doctors have, in fact, lined their own pockets by prescribing something because they believed it "Couldn't hurt" but still make them some profit... but it doesn't even matter in this particular thread since the vaccine has been tried out all over the world by bushels of docs who all report on the results of the global effort, and if you want to discuss the probability of a conspiracy, counting on every single doctor to betray said oath gets astronomical rather quickly!

I was arguing that doctors prescribing ivermectin, because "it can't hurt" was not necessarily a great idea.

I've been vaccinated, waiting for my booster (I think I qualify next month).

 

[Deleted member 546149]

I guess they just don't want it........
I mean some people are allergic and Nicki Minaj said her cousin had testicle problems or something (don't know if it's true or not)
but I guess people have their own reasons

 

[Lacius]

I guess they just don't want it........
I mean so people are allergic and Nicki Minaj said her cousin had testicle problems or something (don't know if it's true or not)
but I guess people have their own reasons

Sometimes there are legitimate health reasons why a person can't be vaccinated. That makes it all the more important for everybody else around them to get vaccinated.

 

[Deleted member 546149]

Sometimes there are legitimate health reasons why a person can't be vaccinated. That makes it all the more important for everybody else around them to get vaccinated.

Yeah I got both shots a few months ago
Nothing major happened
I felt really tired, my arm hurt, and I had a headache but it was just a day
Some people think the government install microchips inside people but uh, I still hate government, so I doubt it's true and how can they fit it in a shot?

 

[djpannda]

I guess they just don't want it........
I mean some people are allergic and Nicki Minaj said her cousin had testicle problems or something (don't know if it's true or not)
but I guess people have their own reasons

The problem is people “reasons” are the rumors they heard . Its because of misinformation.. as the percentage of people that are allergic is Minuscule and the Trinidad government comfirmed that never happen to anyone..HELL. her Cousin doesn’t even have friends ! So People’s 90% “reasons” aren’t reasons

 

[Lacius]

Yeah I got both shots a few months ago
Nothing major happened
I felt really tired, my arm hurt, and I had a headache but it was just a day
Some people think the government install microchips inside people but uh, I still hate government, so I doubt it's true and how can they fit it in a shot?

Microchips in the COVID-19 vaccines are a baseless conspiracy theory, and the technology for what they're claiming doesn't exist.

 

[Deleted member 546149]

The problem is people “reasons” are the rumors they heard . Its because of misinformation.. as the percentage of people that are allergic is Minuscule and the Trinidad government comfirmed that never happen to anyone..HELL. her Cousin doesn’t even have friends ! So People’s 90% “reasons” aren’t reasons

I don't really pay much attention to anti vaxxers unless I really have nothing else to do

 

[Deleted member 546149]

Microchips in the COVID-19 vaccines are a baseless conspiracy theory, and the technology for what they're claiming doesn't exist.

I think a Sci Fi movie had it or something which is how the rumor started

 

[Deleted member 546149]

never mind I was completely wrong about the sci fi movie its even more baseless

 

[Joe88]

and how can they fit it in a shot?

nanomachines, son

 

[Deleted member 546149]

nanomachines, son

So I've been brainwashed?
Damn, not again...

 

[smf]

I guess they just don't want it........
I mean some people are allergic and Nicki Minaj said her cousin had testicle problems or something (don't know if it's true or not)
but I guess people have their own reasons

It was an unnamed friend of Nicki Minaj's cousin, who lives in a country that uses an entirely different vaccine. So even if he did exist then it's irrelevant anyway.

Do you own research, if you can't prove that Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend exists & that the vaccine caused his testicles to swell then ignore it.

 

[Deleted member 546149]

It was an unnamed friend of Nicki Minaj's cousin, who lives in a country that uses an entirely different vaccine. So even if he did exist then it's irrelevant anyway.

Do you own research, if you can't prove that Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend exists & that the vaccine caused his testicles to swell then ignore it.

But why would you just reveals someone's name like that?
Pretty rude if you ask me
Forcing media attention on someone

 

[YukidaruPunch]

Fake ones.

 

[The Catboy]

I guess they just don't want it........
I mean some people are allergic and Nicki Minaj said her cousin had testicle problems or something (don't know if it's true or not)
but I guess people have their own reasons

The thing is, this thread isn’t about people who have medical reasons to not get vaccinated. I understand their reasons because their reasons are a choice. I am asking for sources to people who continue to be against vaccines in general.

I am stress that this this thread isn’t just limited to the Covid vaccines, it’s about addressing a larger concern about people being against vaccines.

 

[Deleted member 546149]

The thing is, this thread isn’t about people who have medical reasons to not get vaccinated. I understand their reasons because their reasons are a choice. I am asking for sources to people who continue to be against vaccines in general.

I am stress that this this thread isn’t just limited to the Covid vaccines, it’s about addressing a larger concern about people being against vaccines.

I just wanna get this shit over with you know.
This was only supposed to be like 3 weeks and it’s been almost 2 years
If the antivaxxers got vaccinated we could finally live the way we should