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[Deleted member 568587]

Hillary Clinton Calls For A New ‘War on Terror’… Targeting Trump Supporters — ‘They Are Threatening Our Democracy’

9/10/21
Hillary Clinton has called on Democratic lawmakers and the Biden administration to undertake a new ‘War on Terror’., but this time, however, she wants to target… Trump supporters.

Clinton expressed worries about homegrown Trump terrorists causing more harm to America than the Taliban in an unsettling interview with CBS News last Friday.
When asked about terrorism threats due to the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Clinton rejected the idea that Islamic terrorism was a threat, instead asserting that the ‘real threat to America and American democracy’ is Trump supporters ‘like the ones we saw on Jan 6’.

I'm sure some on this site are insane enough to agree with Hillary and hope for the eradication of Trump supporters. Be careful what you wish for, you might regret it one day when Taliban are your next door neighbors and you wake up like "WTF did i do?" It's moot anyway there won't be a U.S. without Republicans. Who do you think joins your Military and fights for you?

If you wish for our deaths you're no better than the Nazis in Germany, but lucky for you modern history is written by lies and you will never be criticized like they were.

January 6th was a total force I had two cousins there guards were letting people in the capitol then turning around and calling it a terrorist act.

All of the leaders said the same thing on 9/11 including George W. Bush who is a fake Republican. He tried to make it vague where some people would think he was talking about ANTIFA or BLM but he wasn't he like the rest were talking about Trump supporters. He is on your side, congrats you can have him.

"Domestic terrorists are just as dangerous as foreign terrorists"

 

[PityOnU]

I used to get angry at these threads, but anymore I can't help but just chuckle and shake my head. If it wasn't so funny, I would actually pity the OP, because the world they live in seems terrifying and exhausting, what with everyone (the other! the enemy!) eternally, actively scheming to "get them" at all times. Although I suppose it must be somewhat reassuring to think that everything that happens is, in some sense, planned and controlled by some specific person(s), and not just pure random chaos. It must also be somewhat comforting to believe that people on the other side of the planet actually care so much about what *you* personally think that they hatch these crazy conspiracy schemes.

In the reality I live in, nobody gives a shit whether I'm alive or dead, and most people are simply trying their best to get by most of the time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good luck, OP. I hope you win against the bad guys and feel better!

 

[Deleted member 568587]

I used to get angry at these threads, but anymore I can't help but just chuckle and shake my head. If it wasn't so funny, I would actually pity the OP, because the world they live in seems terrifying and exhausting, what with everyone (the other! the enemy!) eternally, actively scheming to "get them" at all times. Although I suppose it must be somewhat reassuring to think that everything that happens is, in some sense, planned and controlled by some specific person(s), and not just pure random chaos. It must also be somewhat comforting to believe that people on the other side of the planet actually care so much about what *you* personally think that they hatch these crazy conspiracy schemes.

In the reality I live in, nobody gives a shit whether I'm alive or dead, and most people are simply trying their best to get by most of the time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good luck, OP. I hope you win against the bad guys and feel better!

Hillary, Obama, Bush and others called Trump supporters terrorists on 9/11/21. That happened regardless if you want to live with your head in the toilet or not. Denying reality does not stop it from existing.

I'm sure you applaud it though because you blindly follow your Democrat Overlords and "Hate Trump and his supporters" just like they tell you to. Was every Trump supporter there on January 6th? It was fake anyway.

 

[Viri]

As a Chinese, I can tell you that China is no longer a communist country. The gap between the rich and the poor in various regions is widening, and the welfare of workers is decreasing. If you have read Lenin or Mao Zedong’s books, you can know that the current one belongs to one kind. Authoritative semi-capitalism，Or revisionism
Why are you still afraid of communism? To discredit the Soviet Union? Because the capitalist countries in Europe and America are afraid of the ghost, a communist ghost full of powerful military power, loved by the people, promoting the status of workers and equality for all, because it can destroy the lies made by capitalism for money

I personally cannot stand Commies, or the CCP. But I do find it amusing that this so called "Communist" country, also has the most billionaires in the world.

 

[sailr]

@sailr:


https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/files/54597902/FULL_TEXT.PDF

Liberal society, of mixed race people, different religions -- what do you do to unify? Patriotism (Country). And common enemy.

Who is Leo Strauss? Basically the guy that "made up" the neoconservative ideology.

Adam Curtis picked it up in Power of nightmares, but you can also get the jist, by reading this:
https://austinkleon.com/2006/11/16/the-power-of-gunsmoke-and-perry-mason/

China on the other hand very much isnt a capitalist society. Main difference should be, that political elites control the resource flow, and pitch different cities against each other in an effort to do better. If the local politicians 'fail' - they get replaced.

So that way you have fixed top level ruling structure, thats in internal competition at the city/region level (creates healthy competition), and on the innovation/production level, structures are usually market capitalist (best allocation of resources) - the point being that resources get to companies via payback arrangements (what we would call corruption), meaning, both private sector and political elites profit, but the control of base resources always remains with the CCP.

Paraphrased that guy:


Currently you see the CCP cracking down on the tech sector, because china is pivoting to a "century of the self" (wants to drum up domestic trade, because the US is limiting its economic growth through limiting its access to key resources), and in that process (tokenized, but also all other) assets that can be made up out of thin air (think crypto currencies, or CS skins) could become dangerous (a way to circumvent money politics at the national level). Also the CCP had no control over production (scaling up and down production) in the digital sector - so now they are moving in with "law enforcement" to get back a tighter control on that particular sector.

Background. Economic growth in china is expected to slow down, but china basically is in the process of trying to distribute gains more evenly to strengthen internal stabilization, before the demographic curve hits (one child policy > many old people in their societies by now.). While also keeping up international trade, as best as they can. But focus isnt solely on production for export anymore.


What I'm trying to illustrate is, that its not "the enemy" thats the cause of how a country perceives its enemy, but more often internal pressures that require stories for people to act under some form of unity, if needed.

And communism especially in the way the west perceives it, is almost exclusively filtered through cold war and Mccarthyism stories. Still. To this day.

Still plenty of horrific stories to be had under Lenin or Stalin, or the CCP for that matter (Uyghurs), but thats usually not why Americans use the term with such vigor and wrath, that might have more to do with Leo Strauss, and the view of the world the neocons promoted.


Also, another 'blind spot' of capitalism is "demand making" - usually done by infrastructure spending. Unregulated capitalism tends to produce boom and bust cycles. If you need to intervene to increase economic growth, thats usually done through infrastructure spending. When state does that, privat capital sees it, gets more of a "growth expectation" and starts to invest as well. If state doesnt do it >> Africa. (Programs the IMF said they should run, failed more often than not.) US can do it whenever, because it has the world reserve currency (for now.. ), so State can just print the necessary funds. China has accumulated huge state reserves, but cant do it to the level they'd like to, because US (and circumstance) are limiting key elements to raise productivity even further - so now they try to move to a model, where more growth will be domestic growth. Africa always was told, that you could finance that via credit, and developed fewer measures to foster demand. So when the first crisis hit... Thats also a rough cut on capitalism actually depending on structural investments by a state actor to be stable over the long term. Most people in the US never get that. ("But national debt is bad!" Thing is, you never are supposed to pay back national debt, you deflate it to zero over time (or never even have to do that - if you own the world reserve currency, which always will be in demand - regardless how much you print - because certain goods (most prominently oil ) and services are only available in world reserve currency), and the entire setup tends to be stable - if growth remains stable.) But the state investments need to create/foster private investments for them to act as an economic boost. Because thats what creates more economic activity, innovation, ... (and then it becomes more than just an artificially inflated bubble).

You should live in the bottom cities of China for a few days.

 

[Viri]

Hillary Clinton Calls For A New ‘War on Terror’… Targeting Trump Supporters — ‘They Are Threatening Our Democracy’

9/10/21
Hillary Clinton has called on Democratic lawmakers and the Biden administration to undertake a new ‘War on Terror’., but this time, however, she wants to target… Trump supporters.

Clinton expressed worries about homegrown Trump terrorists causing more harm to America than the Taliban in an unsettling interview with CBS News last Friday.
When asked about terrorism threats due to the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Clinton rejected the idea that Islamic terrorism was a threat, instead asserting that the ‘real threat to America and American democracy’ is Trump supporters ‘like the ones we saw on Jan 6’.

I'm sure some on this site are insane enough to agree with Hillary and hope for the eradication of Trump supporters. Be careful what you wish for, you might regret it one day when Taliban are your next door neighbors and you wake up like "WTF did i do?" It's moot anyway there won't be a U.S. without Republicans. Who do you think joins your Military and fights for you?

If you wish for our deaths you're no better than the Nazis in Germany, but lucky for you modern history is written by lies and you will never be criticized like they were.

January 6th was a total force I had two cousins there guards were letting people in the capitol then turning around and calling it a terrorist act.

All of the leaders said the same thing on 9/11 including George W. Bush who is a fake Republican. He tried to make it vague where some people would think he was talking about ANTIFA or BLM but he wasn't he like the rest were talking about Trump supporters. He is on your side, congrats you can have him.

"Domestic terrorists are just as dangerous as foreign terrorists"

Shit, I guess I'm going to get deported to a FEMA camp

 

[The Catboy]

There any sources that aren't just weird conspiracy YouTube videos?

Hillary, Obama, Bush and others called Trump supporters terrorists on 9/11/21. That happened regardless if you want to live with your head in the toilet or not. Denying reality does not stop it from existing.

I'm sure you applaud it though because you blindly follow your Democrat Overlords and "Hate Trump and his supporters" just like they tell you to. Was every Trump supporter there on January 6th? It was fake anyway.

Hillary Clinton Calls For A New ‘War on Terror’… Targeting Trump Supporters — ‘They Are Threatening Our Democracy’

9/10/21
Hillary Clinton has called on Democratic lawmakers and the Biden administration to undertake a new ‘War on Terror’., but this time, however, she wants to target… Trump supporters.

Clinton expressed worries about homegrown Trump terrorists causing more harm to America than the Taliban in an unsettling interview with CBS News last Friday.
When asked about terrorism threats due to the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Clinton rejected the idea that Islamic terrorism was a threat, instead asserting that the ‘real threat to America and American democracy’ is Trump supporters ‘like the ones we saw on Jan 6’.

I'm sure some on this site are insane enough to agree with Hillary and hope for the eradication of Trump supporters. Be careful what you wish for, you might regret it one day when Taliban are your next door neighbors and you wake up like "WTF did i do?" It's moot anyway there won't be a U.S. without Republicans. Who do you think joins your Military and fights for you?

If you wish for our deaths you're no better than the Nazis in Germany, but lucky for you modern history is written by lies and you will never be criticized like they were.

January 6th was a total force I had two cousins there guards were letting people in the capitol then turning around and calling it a terrorist act.

All of the leaders said the same thing on 9/11 including George W. Bush who is a fake Republican. He tried to make it vague where some people would think he was talking about ANTIFA or BLM but he wasn't he like the rest were talking about Trump supporters. He is on your side, congrats you can have him.

"Domestic terrorists are just as dangerous as foreign terrorists"

Citation needed

 

[notimp]

You should live in the bottom cities of China for a few days.

Explain it a bit further. Because the contrast poor/rich is that stark? Because people without a residents permit have to live in cellar apartments, where they are basically exploited for rent, and then dont get any social services, without an official fixed place of residence in the city?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=china+living+poor+residency
(The documentary I actually saw on it is not in the first few search results, but the south china morning post video should suffice.)

I know about that. But the worker population that moved from rural regions to cities has declined by afair about 20% in recent years.

And CCP is currently acting against the unrest potential of the stark contrast between the rich and the poor. Probably not in mega cities, as they wont do anything for undocumented workers.
But they should try and foster small and medium businesses in the coming years, to drum up an internal (domestic) economy - thats less focused on export. (Should raise wealth more equally.)

Its not said, that they will do so successfully btw. But from what I've heard, thats mostly (at least in planning) an issue with china being very "segmented" where some provinces basically are isolated from the economic centers. (Has to do with topography - few rivers, that would serve as connecting elements, motorways _still_ in a building stage... So economic development is very centralized in certain regions. And then capitalism on top of it.)


Also saw Kali Blues (2015) for example (talking about contemporary movies, now you can call me an arthouse snob.. ) and found that very impressive. (You can watch Office (2015) (with Chow Yun-fat) to get a bit of the other side of that coin, also - in its own right, very impressive. And then there is the huge universities china has spun up, that produce a number of engineers, everyone else in the world is jelly (envious) about. (The numbers.. )).


If I'm missing certain aspects fill me in.

I didnt mean to say, that normal folks arent "feeling the pressures of (unrestrained btw.) capitalism" - just that the political structure still is way different, than what western folks would describe as "free market capitalism", or democratic (another emotionally loaded term).

Also, if you disagree on certain aspects, please go into some more detail, otherwise I might be missing, what you were trying to express.

 

[notimp]

Clinton expressed worries about homegrown Trump terrorists causing more harm to America than the Taliban in an unsettling interview with CBS News last Friday.
When asked about terrorism threats due to the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Clinton rejected the idea that Islamic terrorism was a threat, instead asserting that the ‘real threat to America and American democracy’ is Trump supporters ‘like the ones we saw on Jan 6’.

While I dont condone the use of the word domestic terror to add more wood into the fire of driving left and right in the US apart to a point, where they only see each other as mortal enemies - she has a point, doesnt she?

Currently Facebook is cracking down on far right support groups, that are doing esentially what people in this thread are doing. Posting highly divisive, largely unfounded PR aimed at gaining momentum, rallying the troups, convincing people of the "danger of Hillary", or anything that fits the purpose, really ... Because its destabilizing society. And because they can.

see: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/16/...hentic-inauthentic-behavior-moderation-policy

Note, that I am the person that said that this (what Facebook is doing) is a bigger problem than the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, when that was played up, and then censored. But also that it might be needed.

There are a bunch of pretty radical troups within certain circles, that basically live for trashing the other political camp, and saying hail to the chief. And they are doing that - usually by spreading rumors, hearsay and FUD.

So they are now being curbed. By Facebook. And the general sentiment is turned against them, because they are seen as producing harm. Already almost toppling a democratic election (That was "rigged, rigged!" but that was never proven to a reasonable degree (talking as a european)).

I dont like, that they are being called domestic terrorists by anyone - but, then again can I see your source of Hillary saying that? Just to be sure..

(Capitol Police already called them terrorists (they were the first ones), so its not unthinkable, that Hillary might have as well. Again, I dont condone that.)

 

[Xzi]

Must be a full time job making excuses for every Democrat that does evil shit all day long. Hope you're getting paid, is it $3.50 per post?

Ooh that'd be nice, getting paid just to express my own opinions. Unfortunately no, I hadn't even heard this woman's name or seen her face before this thread. If we're breaking this down into a simplistic "good versus evil" paradigm though, there's no question that the people expressing anti-vaxx sentiment just for the clicks/views are on the side of evil. And those who choose to be anti-vaxx just for the sake of contrarianism are on the side of stupidity.

 

[Foxi4]

Thread’s a bit much, even for our Temp standards. Quick reminder that threads conspiratorial in nature that cannot be supported by any legitimate source are prohibited in the Politics section. If you can’t provide citations, it’s getting locked.