Suicide of Near, bsnes and higan developer

[Scott-105]

This brought me to tears. I didn’t know him. I hadn’t heard his name until now, but I used bsnes a lot. I struggle with mental health issues and I’ve been “okay” so to speak for a while. But I know what’s it’s like to be bullied and I know what it’s like to feel like death is your only and best solution. It’s just sickening that an online group killed someone. This is just too real. May he rest in piece.

 

[the_randomizer]

Mental health issues are a bitch to deal with, been dealing with anxiety and depression for nearly two years and I've had....some very dark moments and thoughts. It sucks when it's vilified and exploited by assholes who get their rocks off by doxxing and what have you, and I hope every single one of those people at KF burn in hell.

 

[Deleted User]

my condolences to them and their family, no matter the situation suicide is always a tragic thing

I'm sorry but this sounds like Byuu is trying to blackmail that Kiwifarms website into closing because he doesn't like being made fun of. This is just disgusting cancel culture at it's worst. It's very insulting that this Byuu person is using his suicide to manhandle someone and his buddies seem in on it.
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I am on the same line of thinking but I don't believe it to be as malicious, I think they were someone with a lot of problems. They had emailed the owner of that forum trying to extort him to remove their thread (which hadn't been posted in or bumped in for a few months, and it was fairly tame by that side of the internets standards.) You can read their email back and forth here (I've avoided linking to the forum out of respect to the people involved.) I have no connections with the individual or Kiwifarms I'm just someone looking from the outside in. Whatever you may think of Kiwifarms I don't believe this is a case where they are at fault, more so that someone who had a lot of problems sadly never managed to get the help they needed

 

[YukidaruPunch]

I think it's unbelievably easy to address someone as they wish to be addressed as soon as we are aware of it. It's a mere act of showing respect. If pronouns can make some people so angry at a simple matter, if one thing, I hardly believe it's the pronouns' fault.

And now a person who was great and kind is gone. It's tough to just shrug it off as something minor or personal as it is shown, time and time again, how harassment, even online, can have serious ramitifications and consequences.

We're all human. We suffer. It's tough to just say to people to "get over it" when it impacts their feelings and self-esteem. I try not to diminish others' suffering because we never know what they may be going through. We need more kindness in this world.

 

[DKB]

my condolences to them and their family, no matter the situation suicide is always a tragic thing


I am on the same line of thinking but I don't believe it to be as malicious, I think they were someone with a lot of problems. They had emailed the owner of that forum trying to extort him to remove their thread (which hadn't been posted in or bumped in for a few months, and it was fairly tame by that side of the internets standards.) You can read their email back and forth here (I've avoided linking to the forum out of respect to the people involved.) I have no connections with the individual or Kiwifarms I'm just someone looking from the outside in. Whatever you may think of Kiwifarms I don't believe this is a case where they are at fault, more so that someone who had a lot of problems sadly never managed to get the help they needed

Reading those emails just kinda mutilated my feelings on all of this now.

 

[Magicantian]

Stop the hate, support the real, it's that simple. I really don't know how this World came so far apart from everyone thinking clearly and for themselves.

But if you browse these sites and actually participate in feeling a positive note for your own personal gain, I really hope you can change your ways. We're all growing and trying to change the wrong we're born into.

So many people are so quick to speak and think before they even really evaluated any information and factual information.

When are we going back to 1990's? The past 21 years have been no coincidence and if we don't find the right essence of unity, we're gonna keep taking this big red, white and blue dick up the ass.

 

[Pachee]

I heard he was living in japan, i wonder if that made the situation worse? Depression is quite a problem there, and hobbies like ours don't really help you develop a healthy social circle or activities.
Also that was why i wiped all my social media many years ago, i just hate exposure and attention in general, let alone from trolls or scammers.

Lastly, do people really hate online harassment? Because that doxxing of Scott on twitter tells me it is just a matter of where and who did it to be justifiable.

 

[Xzi]

Whatever you may think of Kiwifarms I don't believe this is a case where they are at fault

Yeah the victim is definitely to blame here. /s

Cutting yourself off from the internet entirely is not an option when you're a software developer, nor should that be something that's asked of people who are being constantly harassed online. As I understand it, these guys frequently stalk and harass people offline too, so it wouldn't even do them much good. After being targeted by a group like that, it's not hard to understand why suicide might start looking like the only way out.

 

[YukidaruPunch]

Lastly, do people really hate online harassment? Because that doxxing of Scott on twitter tells me it is just a matter of where and who did it to be justifiable.

You ever seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Remember the witch scene?

Fot better or worse, it seems like judging is pretty much ingrained into people's behaviours. I think the most sane think to do about it specifically to try and see how we should not judge so easily, as (most of the times) it creates an innanely punitive sense of judgement.

I mean, it's at least what I believe in. Living and being around people which did nothing but judge and discriminate made me more self aware about this, but I can say I'm glad that I was a survivor. I, too, suffered loneliness and exclusion to a fault in this life, but I'm glad I trudged though.

Not everybody manages to, however. And I can't say it wasn't hard. At all.

 

[Valwinz]

How did Kiwifarms kill him? what was he been accuse off ?

 

[Magicantian]

Welp, I'm gonna tap out and go back into my hole. Just remember, you made the game personal now. If I stumble upon one on you, it's a wrap fool.

 

[AlexMCS]

my condolences to them and their family, no matter the situation suicide is always a tragic thing


I am on the same line of thinking but I don't believe it to be as malicious, I think they were someone with a lot of problems. They had emailed the owner of that forum trying to extort him to remove their thread (which hadn't been posted in or bumped in for a few months, and it was fairly tame by that side of the internets standards.) You can read their email back and forth here (I've avoided linking to the forum out of respect to the people involved.) I have no connections with the individual or Kiwifarms I'm just someone looking from the outside in. Whatever you may think of Kiwifarms I don't believe this is a case where they are at fault, more so that someone who had a lot of problems sadly never managed to get the help they needed

Thanks for bringing some perspective to the matter.
It seems like the bottom line is that Dave needed a lot of professional help after all, maybe spiritual as well.
Sad to see him go anyway.

 

[spotanjo3]

You USA people think everybody has English as their first language. It's so self-centered it borders on the absurd. Some people here have English as their 4th language. Stop making demands form a global communtiy that has learnt that they is plural form, not singular. People have flasgs in their profile. Check it. Stop being imperialistic and demanding that others be perfect on your language and its social trends.

Precisely. Some people don't understands me because of my English grammar since I am Portuguese born in Portugal and lived in America and in Portugal -- back and forth. Depends. And I am an American Citizen too! I m getting tired of some people mentioned my grammars. As long as they understands me then they shouldn't say anything about my grammar, man. If they don't understand me then they should say.. Please explain again ? I would be happy to try again. Anyway.. See ? Laughing and Bullying is not good. Today, people will treat every nicely then forget about it in a week and treated people badly all over again. They never learned anything. Respect! You said it!

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Also that was why i wiped all my social media many years ago

If everyone dropped social media the world would be a better place.

 

[Xzi]

It seems like the bottom line is that Dave needed a lot of professional help after all, maybe spiritual as well.

They had years worth of documented harassment, what they really needed was help from the FBI. King_leo's link isn't even half the story, and it's coming from the perspective of people who want to assuage their own guilt and/or avoid consequences for their own actions. You can't take that shit at face value.

 

[spotanjo3]

If everyone dropped social media the world would be a better place.

That's true. Facebook exists first then many more following. Those social media are good. You can't blame social media. Blame ? Human being. Being said, people blame gun. What ? Gun can't do anything. Gun don't kill people. People killing people. Same thing. People bullying people in school, cyberbullying like social media because they are human being. Social media doesn't do anything. People did. To be honest, if people don't use Social media then the world would be a better place ? No, schools will always exists for bullying instead. Why ? Human hate exists. Hate is here to stay. You can't erase the hate. Human is the responsibility.

 

[Deleted User]

King_leo's link isn't even half the story, and it's coming from the perspective of people who want to assuage their own guilt and/or avoid consequences for their own actions. You can't take that shit at face value.

You can look up the thread yourself and have a read through all the posts until their tweets, my link is their correspondence with the owner of Kiwifarms. If you read through you'll see that they were all over the place and trying to hold (at the time) a potential suicide over the owners head in order for them to do as they say. Through the emails you can see the owner even offering to meet halfway and asked to see a resume but received ramblings and more threats back. It's always important in these situations to try and piece together everything you can so you make the right decisions (fueling a cycle of hate isn't going to help the situation.) To reiterate what I said before I believe Byuu was just a very troubled person and my condolences still go out to the them and their family.

Yeah the victim is definitely to blame here. /s
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It's not a black and white issue and I find it in bad taste to strawman someone when talking about a situation involving suicide.

 

[Xzi]

You can look up the thread yourself and have a read through all the posts until their tweets, my link is their correspondence with the owner of Kiwifarms. If you read through you'll see that they were all over the place and trying to hold (at the time) a potential suicide over the owners head in order for them to do as they say.

My point is that the owner selectively made information available because it's the information that makes him look the least bad. This harassment was ongoing for years and across who knows how many platforms, meaning there are thousands of DMs, text messages, probably letters and phone calls out there too, all sent by Kiwifarms members. I guarantee you the site owner is withholding far more than he's sharing.

 

[the_randomizer]

Kiwifarms and other sites like it can just burn to the ground for all I care. Places like that are shitholes.

 

[Kioku]

my condolences to them and their family, no matter the situation suicide is always a tragic thing


I am on the same line of thinking but I don't believe it to be as malicious, I think they were someone with a lot of problems. They had emailed the owner of that forum trying to extort him to remove their thread (which hadn't been posted in or bumped in for a few months, and it was fairly tame by that side of the internets standards.) You can read their email back and forth here (I've avoided linking to the forum out of respect to the people involved.) I have no connections with the individual or Kiwifarms I'm just someone looking from the outside in. Whatever you may think of Kiwifarms I don't believe this is a case where they are at fault, more so that someone who had a lot of problems sadly never managed to get the help they needed

Mate. Those Emails don't exonerate those who are irredeemably guilty of harassment, extortion, doxxing and other forms of abuse. Be it verbal or otherwise. I'm not seeing anything in those emails that change my views on that site as a whole. Everything I've seen completely buries those emails. Clearly, Near had issues. Literally nobody here is denying that. However, the shit they received from users on that site and potentially other places DOES NOT HELP THEIR MENTAL STATE. Also, what's your argument on the community targeting people who are associated with Near? You think those emails help that?

What's your argument here? Trying to make light on someone committing suicide and downplaying the severity of the choices of the parties involved?

Oh, but it's okay. That thread hadn't seen activity. So, that CLEARLY MEANS NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED! RIGHT?! FOH

Edit: One last bit of information. You should know better. No shit the owner of that site is attempting to make himself look like a decent person. We've seen similar actions from people who were more than guilty of what they were accused of. If your main counterpoint is this chain of emails? You've already made yourself look absolutely mental.