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Poll: did Trump really win the 2020 election?

Do you believe Trump's claims that he's the one who actually won the 2020 election?

  • I'm NOT a Trump supporter - I accept the general consensus that Biden won the 2020 election fairly

    Votes: 194 67.1%
  • I am a Trump supporter - I *refuse* Biden's presidency claim, Trump actually WON

    Votes: 29 10.0%
  • I am a Trump supporter - I acknowledge that Biden won, but *THE LEFT CHEATED* so it's illegitimate

    Votes: 14 4.8%
  • I'm a Trump supporter but I believe in the general consensus that Biden won the 2020 election fairly

    Votes: 14 4.8%
  • Other (don't care / don't waste my time with stupid polls)

    Votes: 38 13.1%

  • Total voters
    289

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Of course she wanted rid of the unions, because in the 1970's the unions had destroyed the UK. We were selling substandard goods which the workers wanted to be paid over the odds for.

You haven't proved there was a long term plan to close all 174 mines.

Are you talking about the miners who closed the mines or the governments plans to close the mines?

The government coped with the miners who closed the mines as they had other opportunities available, albeit at a higher cost.

If they had been able to close the unprofitable mines without the strikes then the pace would be dictated by the ability to increase production at other mines and develop new ones.

Tell the people who continued working that the strikers were peaceably assembling.
I will as soon as I get past the militarised police blocking the way. :lol:

Honestly, have fun in the Tory fantasy. I understand that a blemish on the Iron Lady's legacy is hard for you to handle, but this is first-grade cope. The Ridley Plan grouped British industries by likelyhood of a winning strike specifically because of Heath's government getting the boot after a coal strike. British conservatives knew what was going to happen and acted in self-preservation, nothing more, nothing less.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridley_Plan
 

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I will as soon as I get past the militarised police blocking the way. :lol:

The police weren't blocking the way, the protesters were fully able to block access to the mines and attack people trying to go to work.

I understand that a blemish on the Iron Lady's legacy is hard for you to handle, but this is first-grade cope.

I don't agree with everything she did, but it doesn't do me any good to perceive someone as an enemy and then distort my own views to always be the opposite. The other way round is not helpful either. I prefer to make up my own mind.

I assume that you don't like her, but you like Trump?

British conservatives knew what was going to happen and acted in self-preservation, nothing more, nothing less.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridley_Plan

Planning for eventualities is what you do in power, rather than just tweet that someone looks funny and hope that they back down. Is it bad to be prepared for the worst? "It's unfair, they cheated by being ready!"
 
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The police weren't blocking the way, the protesters were fully able to block access to the mines and attack people trying to go to work.

I don't agree with everything she did, but it doesn't do me any good to perceive someone as an enemy and then distort my own views to always be the opposite. The other way round is not helpful either. I prefer to make up my own mind.

I assume that you don't like her, but you like Trump?

Planning for eventualities is what you do in power, rather than just tweet that someone looks funny and hope that they back down. Is it bad to be prepared for the worst? "It's unfair, they cheated by being ready!"
They were most definitely preparing for something - more specifically, preparing to dismantle British heavy industry, which is what they did, and did so poorly that there was nothing left after they were done. I was simply pointing out that it was systemic, which it was.
 

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preparing to dismantle British heavy industry, which is what they did, and did so poorly that there was nothing left after they were done. I was simply pointing out that it was systemic, which it was.

Surely if there is nothing left then they did a great job dismantling it??? You seem so conflicted you can't even keep your views straight within one sentence.

None of your evidence shows that they wanted to dismantle industry, systematically or not.

They wanted to improve heavy industry so it could survive long term, but the unions got in the way. I'm not sure that a better outcome was possible. Conservatives never cope well with state owned and government run companies because they are ideologically opposed to it. Republicans share the same view.

I'm much more open to it. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/06/29/what-the-right-gets-wrong-about-socialism/

I do accept that the Conservatives hated the unions and their ideology dictated how they responded. The unions equally hated the Conservatives and their ideology dictated how they responded.

The Conservatives were however democratically elected. The strikes in Ted Heaths government had reduced the working week to three days due to power cuts, inflation was rampant and the miners kept pushing for more money while everyone else had to suffer with losing 2/5ths of their wages. The James Callaghan government faired little better. The will of the people probably was to end the trade unions stranglehold of the country.
 
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If the ballot manipulation is prolific enough to affect the election results.

Well that would be my interpretation, but where is the proof of that?

How can it be the truth without any evidence?
You can claim there is fraud and people might believe it, but that doesn't make it the truth.

I'm sure there are irregularities on both sides, i.e. a Trump supporter who wants to "level the playing field" because they are convinced there will be wide spread fraud and so apply for a mail in ballot for a recently deceased relative etc. I don't think there is enough of that to make a difference.

If there is wide scale fraud and it hasn't come to light by now then it's likely so well hidden that you'll never find it anyway and that could be for Biden or Trump.
 
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Well that would be my interpretation, but where is the proof of that?

How can it be the truth without any evidence?
You can claim there is fraud and people might believe it, but that doesn't make it the truth.

I'm sure there are irregularities on both sides, i.e. a Trump supporter who wants to "level the playing field" because they are convinced there will be wide spread fraud and so apply for a mail in ballot for a recently deceased relative etc. I don't think there is enough of that to make a difference.

If there is wide scale fraud and it hasn't come to light by now then it's likely so well hidden that you'll never find it anyway and that could be for Biden or Trump.

If there is no voter fraud, investigations will only confirm it.
If it's too hidden to be found, an investigation won't hurt.
 

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If there is no voter fraud, investigations will only confirm it.

No, you can't ever prove a negative & Trump will continue to claim there is fraud despite what the investigations come back with.

If it's too hidden to be found, an investigation won't hurt.

Trump calling fraud before the election took place without evidence has already hurt.

I do agree that all the legitimate votes should be counted no matter whether they were Trump or Biden, but shouldn't they have already been doing that?

It would be much easier to achieve that without Trump tweeting his deranged ideas.
 
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I'm NOT a Trump supporter - I accept the general consensus that Biden won the 2020 election fairly

The poll should have also had: I'm NOT a Trump supporter although it's possible he won.

Just do everything legal, verify it and get done with it. The media doesn't get to decide who wins.
 

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I'm NOT a Trump supporter - I accept the general consensus that Biden won the 2020 election fairly

The poll should have also had: I'm NOT a Trump supporter although it's possible he won.

Just do everything legal, verify it and get done with it. The media doesn't get to decide who wins.
Yeah, NYT made that faux pas recently (in a twitter post).. ;) Media gets the tabulated results first and announces. :)

The issue with 'let it go through the legal system' is 'several instances'. So if they'd get 4 cases not thrown out, and not dismissed from being able to retry to make their case at a higher court level - you might not have a president when its time to call it.

At that point, US law says heads of states have the option to simply pick electoral college votes themselves, based on whose face they like.

Which is an option to steal the election. Of course it would ruin democracy while we are at it - and of course Trump aids have begun easing him into the possibility to 'resign' by now but hey, who knows...

Letting the fate of democracy ultimately rest on the shoulders of four random judges in four different states... What gives. Worth a try, ey?

Or here is a better option, just file your best claims five days before the end of the deadline. Then blame courts for sadly having ruined democracy, because they havent been fast enough. Also a great option. (Trump Team is still filing new legal suits.)
 
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Holy mandril, mother of god, this is convoluted.... (I'll better post it in here, rather than the Venezuela thread.. ;) )

Sidney Powell: (38:02)
Thank you Rudy. What we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China in the interference with our elections here in the United States. The Dominion voting systems, the Smartmatic technology software and the software that goes in other computerized voting systems here in as well, not just Dominion, were created in Venezuela at the direction of Hugo Chavez to make sure he never lost an election after one constitutional referendum came out the way he did not want it to come out. We have one very strong witness who has explained how it all works. His affidavit is attached to the pleadings of Lin Wood in the lawsuit he filed in Georgia. It is a stunning, detailed affidavit because he was with Hugo Chavez while … He was being briefed on how it worked, he was with Hugo Chavez when he saw it operate to make sure the election came out his way. That was the express purpose for creating this software. He has seen it operate and as soon as he saw the multiple states shut down the voting on the night of the election, he knew the same thing was happening here, that that was what had gone on.
Sidney Powell: (39:40)
Now the software itself was created with so many variables and so many back doors that can be hooked up to the internet or a thumbdrive stuck in it or whatever, but one of its most characteristic features is its ability to flip votes. It can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from President Trump and flip them to President Biden which we might never have uncovered had the votes for President Trump not been so overwhelming in so many of these states that it broke the algorithm that had been plugged into the system and that’s what caused them to have to shut down in the states they shut down in. That’s when they came in the backdoor with all the mail-in ballots, many of which they had actually fabricated, some were on pristine paper with identically matching perfect circle dots for Mr. Biden. Others were shoved in in batches, they’re always put in in a certain number of batches and people would rerun the same batch. This corresponds to our statistical evidence that shows incredible spikes in the vote counts at particular times and that corresponds to eyewitness testimony of numerous people who have come forward and said they saw the ballots come in the backdoor at that time.
Sidney Powell: (41:06)
Notably the Dominion executives are nowhere to be found now. They are moving their offices overnight to different places. Their office in Toronto was shared with one of the Soros entities, one of the leaders of the Dominion Project overall is Lord Malloch-Brown, Mr. Soros’ number two person in the U.K., and part of his organization. There are ties of the Dominion leadership to the Clinton Foundation and to other known politicians in this country. Just to give you a brief description of how this worked, I’m going to quote from a letter that was written and I will read that to make sure I get the quotes right. This person was objecting to the United States acquisition of Sequoia Voting Systems by Smartmatic, a foreign-owned company. I believe this transaction raises exactly the sort of foreign ownership issues that [Siphius 00:42:10] is best positioned to examine for national security purposes. It’s undisputed that Smartmatic is foreign-owned and it has acquired Sequoia, they keep changing the names as they go along. Different times when a problem comes up, they just create another corporation and call it a different name, but it was a voting machine company doing business in the United States.
Sidney Powell: (42:30)
Sequoia voting machines were used to record over 125,000,000 votes during the 2004 presidential election in the United States. Smartmatic now acknowledges that Antonio Mugica, a Venezuelan businessman, has controlling interest in Smartmatic but the company has not revealed who all the Smartmatic owners are. According to the press, Smartmatic’s owners are hidden through a web of offshore private entities and that is in fact true. Smartmatic has been associated with the Venezuelan government led by Hugo Chavez which is openly hostile to the United States and of course as we all communistic and really brutalizing its own people. The system has been continued there by Mr. Maduro and ensured his election. Smartmatic’s possible connection to the Venezuelan government poses a potential national security concern in the context of its acquisition of Sequoia because electronic voting machines are susceptible to tampering and insiders are in the best position to engage in such tampering. This letter expresses concerns of the Chicago 2006 primary election and it ends by saying the products and services that are of Venezuelan origin and evaluate Smartmatic’s ownership to determine who could have influence and control over these and other Sequoia products and services are important to the national security of the United States.
Entire transcript:
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcript...-transcript-november-19-election-fraud-claims

Trump administration just found out that electronic voting is problematic (thats why you have manual spot count checks - that, if they vary significantly from the electronically counted result, trigger a manual recount). They just found out that businesses are sometimes owned by shell companies. They just found out, that you count votes, when they come in.

(What an over night backdoor vote influx has to do with voting mashine manipulation - i havent got the slightest idea. Criminals must be criminally stupid to stack the vote at 4am in the morning, when they can manipulate the algo.

Or - as is alleged, they must be criminally stupid, because they cant tell the algo to stop in case more people than expected vote for one side. At which point, it is alleged, that people had to 'manually' shut down voting (in selected states), and then trigger an operation where you refeed 'certain badges of votes' into the vote counters, to fake the outcome, which then could be clearly seen by spikes in the amounts of votes counted at that time. (Alleged ballot stuffing.) But not only that, parts of those ballots were forged, because they had perfect dots/cycles on the name Biden!)

All this 'found out' by people looking at (vote counting rate) data! Wow!

NYT: Counterstance:
https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...11/19/technology/sidney-powell-venezuela.html

Also - this part is just grand:
Now the software itself was created with so many variables and so many back doors that can be hooked up to the internet or a thumbdrive stuck in it or whatever, but one of its most characteristic features is its ability to flip votes. It can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from President Trump and flip them to President Biden which we might never have uncovered had the votes for President Trump not been so overwhelming in so many of these states that it broke the algorithm that had been plugged into the system and that’s what caused them to have to shut down in the states they shut down in.
My firewall had a backdoor with variables, for thumbdrives, that ran an algorithm that probably ran all over the country, and that broke, because so many people voted Trump, so they had to shut down voting.

Why isnt the FBI getting into this? (Quote: Rudolph Giuliani)

(Also, as usual, please dont ban me for double posting. This is a separate news item. Thats current. And deserves a separate post.)
 
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I am a trump supporter. The simple fact is that with the ongoing lawsuits, claiming that biden won is simply wrong. I recognize that currently Trump winning does not seem likely, but it's also not impossible. Trump has not conceded, the electoral college vote has not happened, news about vote impropriety keep coming out, some of them might not be legitimate. I'm not gonna make claims before the actual results of everything are out.
 

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I am a trump supporter. The simple fact is that with the ongoing lawsuits, claiming that biden won is simply wrong. I recognize that currently Trump winning does not seem likely, but it's also not impossible.
Please dont ignore this posting, two postings above yours.
The issue with 'let it go through the legal system' is 'several instances'. So if they'd get 4 cases not thrown out, and not dismissed from being able to retry to make their case at a higher court level - you might not have a president when its time to call it.

At that point, US law says heads of states have the option to simply pick electoral college votes themselves, based on whose face they like.

Which is an option to steal the election. Of course it would ruin democracy while we are at it - and of course Trump aids have begun easing him into the possibility to 'resign' by now but hey, who knows...

Letting the fate of democracy ultimately rest on the shoulders of four random judges in four different states... What gives. Worth a try, ey?

Or here is a better option, just file your best claims five days before the end of the deadline. Then blame courts for sadly having ruined democracy, because they havent been fast enough. Also a great option. (Trump Team is still filing new legal suits.)
The concerned citizen gambit gets really old, really fast - if people can point out, that you cant read.
 
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the electoral college vote has not happened

Right, Kanye is still in with a chance when the electoral college meets.
All the counts are done though, so apart from Trumps shenanigans then Biden will likely be inaugurated.

https://www.waynedupree.com/2020/11/alan-dershowitz-scotus-trump-election/

For those of you that don't think Trump has a strategy, or that he's just flinging stuff at the wall in hopes it'll stick, you're in for a big surprise.

Well I'm not surprised, we know he has a strategy. What we don't know is if he's going to get away with stealing the election.

For a country with a proclivity to remove presidents with a bullet, it would be unwise to overstay his welcome.
Although his other option is going to jail for his crimes and he might not like that either. It's a high stakes game for Mr Trump.
 
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Also, news source used for first hit for 'transcript' for that press conference on google?

rev.com featuring the Breitbart broadcast

Original video embedded on rev.com:
https://cf-www.rev.com/docs2/b5e5e0...mHpIt7wqVA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAITKMBCX3DV5275WQ

Just in case the other media networks cut transmission again, probably.. ;)


edit: First clear misrepresentation in the Giuliani video: "We were warned by president Jimmy Carter, that mail ballots are especially susceptible to voter fraud, about a dozen years ago."

1. We - in that case probably is "the american people" not the Trump administration.
2. The way mail ballots are especially susceptible to voter fraud is - that you cant guarantee that they have been 'anonymously' cast. So you cant guarantee, that a husband isnt looking over his wifes shoulder, when she is voting. This theoretically allows for 'work place voter fraud' schemes, where your employer demands to see how you voted, because - they can. This becomes a problem once voting culture 'changes' (voting anonymously isnt the norm anymore).

3. None of those issues, are then used to make the case for voter fraud in the cases subsequently layed out by Team Rudy. If you've got alleged ballot stuffing going on - it doesnt really matter, if those votes came in per mail or not. If you then allege, that some of those votes where 'printed' with 'perfect circles next to Biden', it REALLY doesnt matter if those votes came in per mail or not.

So why the heck do you open your press conference, with the deep concern, that you are fearful of that going on?

edit: Also, it is alleged, that those ballots were basically 'one batch' that was repeatedly fed into vote scanners to be counted multiple times (vote counting rate spikes). If thats the case, why do you then also forge mail ballots with printed 'perfect' circles next to the name Biden? Do you dont have an intern that can make 1000 dots per hand? Cant you forge ballots with variations before print? Cant you separate a 'heavily democrats favoring bunch of real votes' to then repeatedly feed to document scanners? Which would be the case if they really came in through the back door from other precincts at 4 am in the morning - as also was alleged by rumors the press conference is referring to.

So lets get this straight. You forged voting ballots. With perfect circles next to Biden. That then where wheeled in at 4am in the night at certain locals (and not stored there prior), which you then repeatedly fed to vote scanners, to multiply their numbers by several times, which then showed up in vote counting reporting spikes -- and this was only possible because of 'vote per mail' being very susceptible to voter fraud.

Not because Jim had a batch of freshly printed votes standing by - and the backdoor unlocked.

And that was the backup, for the case, that your vote manipulation algorithm failed, because it couldnt deal with 'that many Trump votes' so voting centers had to be shut down manually (for statistical manipulation checks not to trigger). You caught that at the night of the vote - just in time. And had the ballots ready that Jim printed, but werent able to tell the algo, to just stop after a set amount of votes, when you programmed it?

Because for that you actually had to manually shut down those specific voting places?

Hell of a story, HELL of a story.
 
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So why the heck do you open your press conference, with the deep concern, that you are fearful of that going on?

Manipulating people. Everything he says is about manipulating people. If I was a Trump supporter I would gladly be manipulated by him as it would fit my narrative.

His claim of a 200% over vote on the wayne county election doesn't seem to tie up with the figures available online. But I guess lying on TV isn't illegal. The woman seems to be scared about communism.

We need to take a stand, My Cousin Vinny is ours.
 
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Second clear misrepresentation is around minute 25, when Giuliani talks about "we have 100 affidavits - that show 'just that' (tripple counting votes that came in at 4 am in the night, when all republican vote checkers but two had gone) - in four other states -- or that they were forced to not check ballots integrity, or that were forced to not ceck signatures, or that were instructed to count votes, without the inner envelope - or....

This is a manipulation method called 'grouping'. You dont have 100 affidavits that report on the most heinous of crimes, the one including the "Dominion" voting machine company (writing a cheating algorithm). So you group them with other affidavits you've got, and make them sound like they all support the same ("we've got 100 affidavits supporting this -- and other alleged schemes (at the end of the third nested sentence following the original statement)".
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Short summery about half into the press conference.

All instances, where Giuliani alleges schemes, where voting inspectors were prevented from checking mail in ballots at the time of separating them from the outer envelopes, or told that they would not have to be present at that time, all cases where voting inspectors were instructed to not check signatures, or backdate, or not invalidate invalid votes -- are reasons for a repeat election in that precinct.

If you can make that case - good. But none of that is necessarily structural. As with all instances of 'stupid people' in the process.

And please, let me emphasize on 'stupid people', because if you are a vote inspector, and you are instructed to not follow the voting process - this means, that you have no idea of the voting process, and could potentially be hoodwinked into doing something fraudulent by an authority figure as unimportant as your supervisor.

If thats the case - close down all democracies. Now. Or just the one in the US specifically, because people there are premo stupid. And this INCLUDES getting talked out of being present at the time, when outer mail in envelopes are signature checked and opened.


All cases where voter participation has reached 150-200+% of registered voters - are immediately suspect and have to be suspect to an investigation as well.
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That said

- the claim that 'voting inspectors were not allowed in certain states' is manipulative. What is meant is independent (trigger word - foreign) voting inspectors from the UN. Why the US does that - I have no clue, but that didnt start with Trump. That also doesnt mean, that _no_ vote inspectors were allowed to look at procedures. A democratic vote without inspectors from both sides - doesnt work.

- all structural voting fraud claims (where one scheme would have been used to turn the election in several places at once) - are completely stupid - the way they are explained by Rudy (and Sidney Powell) they follow no inherent process logic, and seem to be cobbled together with a bunch of different claims, not making any sense if you add them up. This means, that argument - likely - is constructed.

Also - if you really litigate every precinct after every election in every county (not just the 'close' ones, but also ones which largely favored dems over reps in counties of every state you want the vote to flip in), and you only do this for 'possible statistical anomalies' favoring one party, but not the other one - you end up with a biased outcome as well. And months of time spent on legal litigation after every election. Doing this basically disables democracy - and lets a winner be decided by heads of states, while the cases are stranded in the courts.

Its very important - for democracy to work - that people counting the votes, and inspecting the count - KNOW that they cant forge them, or 'not only follow some rules', or be molded in their action to the point they become illegal - by 'their supervisors'.

If that happens in any democracy - democracy is over, and americans have to be pronounced 'too stupid, to be allowed to have it'.

If thats the problem (most probable accusations Giuliani made), good luck, and good night.
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I mean, it really happens in two ways. There’s an algorithm that runs that automatically flips all the votes, and then each operator has the ability to go in override settings. They can ignore a signature, they could ignore the top line of the ballot. They can go down ballot and select who they want to change the results for. The gentleman who founded Smartmatic, there’s video of him on the internet, explaining that, yes, in at least one occasion, he admits, they changed a million votes with no problem. Many of the jurisdictions that have had this problem might not have known of the issues, but many did. I think a full-scale criminal investigation needs to be undertaken immediately by the Department of Justice and by every state’s equivalent, Attorney General’s Office or State Investigatory Unit, because there’s evidence of different benefits being provided to the people who spent 100 million dollars of taxpayer money at the last minute for their state to get the Dominion voting systems put in, in time for this election in different ways.

Isnt it wonderful - when a 60 year old women discovers how computers work for the first time in front of national TV cameras?

(Because this is an inherent problem with all voting software/computers. One that cant be designed away.)

They found that out, by finding and reading the manual of those machines online on google - btw. Now. Just so you know.

While these issues have been discussed in the senate as early as 2006. Then nobody did anything about it, because fixing it cost money. And acknowledging, that this is an inherent problem with voting machines, and that paper was better (because the process is transparent and not subject to be only understood by the high priest that wrote the 'hardware security module' - i.e. the guy/gal that doesnt need a 'drag and drop interface'.)

So what do you say? Lets end democracy, because of them - why dont we? I mean - as long as there is a possibility still not debunked, that could have impacted outcome...
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Sorry: But this really needs to be put in a separate thread, otherwise its confusing.

New angle:

CISA is making factually wrong claims. Thats fun.

Every state has voting system safeguards to ensure each ballot cast in the election can be correctly counted. State procedures often include testing and certification of voting systems, required auditable logs, and software checks, such as logic and accuracy tests, to ensure ballots are properly counted before election results are made official. With these security measures, election officials can check to determine that devices are running the certified software and functioning properly.
src: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol

State procedures often include testing and certification of voting systems.
They usually dont mandate software to be provided as open source. They cant really test. And 'certifying' machines makes them inherently unsafe and hackable - because you dont allow for security updates to be administered. You basically seal them 'as is', without knowing what 'as is' means. (No source code audits.)

Then you dont protect them from many attack vectors. (No security updates.)

In fact the ecosystems of those companies are layed out to cobble together the cheapest Win 95 machines, and then not caring about anything (no patches), other than 'system brake down within the warranty period'.

required auditable logs, and software checks
Logs can be forged, software checks can be overrun. Hey, if you are admin, you are admin.

such as logic and accuracy tests, to ensure ballots are properly counted before election results are made official.
Spot checks and statistical sanity checks are done - but again, if you know them, you could work around them (Stay within a certain parameter of probability).

With these security measures, election officials can check to determine that devices are running the certified software and functioning properly.
Absolutely not. What they can say is. 'Computer says no' and thats about all of it.

The actual response to those claims is - "we have not found any indication of those attack vectors being widely used, ever". And thats all.

Some of it you can mitigate, by a certain update regime (signature checks, only allow one 'certified' person to roll out updates), but some of those mitigations are null and void by the fact that those machines are 'certified' (as is) and therefore never updated. Of course NEVER connect an unpatched machine to the internet, especially not for updates, stuff like that.

But the explaination that 'all is good, because of logs, and statistical spot checks' is absolutely false.

Fun.
 
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All cases where voter participation has reached 150-200+% of registered voters - are immediately suspect and have to be suspect to an investigation as well.

I tried to find a news article and all I could find was around 200 suspect ballots which led to an over count of 40.

It's like a bait and switch.
 
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