[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[omgcat]

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1320167022718783489?s=20

I did not think it was legal to campaign near a polling place.

I am guessing it varies by state.

Funny though it could back fire on her, most in line did not clap or acknowledge her with glee when she was ending that.

it's not near a polling station if the line is 1/2mi long

 

[crimpshrine]

it's not near a polling station if the line is 1/2mi long

It does not work that way, at least in Ohio, I found the law after I posted that, it does not matter how long the line is. Just that you are 10 feet from anyone in line.



(1) Loiter, congregate, or engage in any kind of election campaigning within the area between the polling place and the small flags of the United States placed on the thoroughfares and walkways leading to the polling place, and if the line of electors waiting to vote extends beyond those small flags, within ten feet of any elector in that line;

 

[omgcat]

It does not work that way, at least in Ohio, I found the law after I posted that, it does not matter how long the line is. Just that you are 10 feet from anyone in line.



(1) Loiter, congregate, or engage in any kind of election campaigning within the area between the polling place and the small flags of the United States placed on the thoroughfares and walkways leading to the polling place, and if the line of electors waiting to vote extends beyond those small flags, within ten feet of any elector in that line;

well she is clearly 10ft away from the line and not telling people who to vote for, so according to the laws she's all clear.

 

[Deleted User]

That's where the information is dropping from my understanding and I believe being hosted at the moment. That's all I know. .

okay... so far so good

I don't see anywhere me making the argument about anything related to where this info is being published.

Not sure what you are going on about..

I am actually more interested in the information, because from everything I have seen so far it looks legitimate.
You can but this, but that all you want. Does not matter to me, it was not my point.

WAT
hold on. I just need to state again
What the actual fuck?

I don't see anywhere me making the argument about anything related to where this info is being published.

the jump in logic is so massive, I can barely fathom.

for starters you stated

that's where the information is dropping from my understanding and I believe being hosted at the moment. That's all I know

I pointed out that the site you stated to look up, where this info is dropping from, is super sketch. And you took that as me talking about publishers? WAT?
How did we get to publishers? Do you even understand what I said?
moving on to my next point

I am actually more interested in the information, because from everything I have seen so far it looks legitimate."

Again, this comes back to my point that the site looks non-legit. It doesn't matter if it LOOKS legit. Because it means jack squat if you can't CONFIRM that it's legit. Something as sketchy as this, has a very low chance of actually being true. Yeah 4chan can have something real, but 99% of the time, if someone states they are going to leak something, or xx thing. it never happens. Unless your rolling on that 1%
And with what I just stated, with it being owned by a company in the US, that's trying to pass off as something in China, given the Chinese text, by the fact it has no reputation/ no one has heard of the website, AND the fact that you can't even check who MADE THE ARTICLE or who owns the site. That's a massive red flag. You should always be able to know those things. If they claim they are news, and you don't get that, there is some massive issues ongoing.
I must ask what makes you believe the articles on that site, and also the site in general is reputable?
what is your standard of evidence?

 

[wartutor]

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1320167022718783489?s=20

I did not think it was legal to campaign near a polling place.

I am guessing it varies by state.

Funny though it could back fire on her, most in line did not clap or acknowledge her with glee when she was ending that.

Links already dead. Maybe next time post a pic of the tweet as they like to delete things to sensor now.

 

[crimpshrine]

well she is clearly 10ft away from the line and not telling people who to vote for, so according to the laws she's all clear.

Yeah I never said I knew it was wrong.

I do know that you pulling things out of your butt and saying it's OK because of X, is not right. Like you started out by doing.

Here is the complete law, having the actual candidate for VP speaking near the electors could be considered election campaigning. And I don't believe it is 100% of what she said.

3501.35 No loitering or congregating near polling places.


(A) During an election and the counting of the ballots, no person shall do any of the following:

(1) Loiter, congregate, or engage in any kind of election campaigning within the area between the polling place and the small flags of the United States placed on the thoroughfares and walkways leading to the polling place, and if the line of electors waiting to vote extends beyond those small flags, within ten feet of any elector in that line;

(2) In any manner hinder or delay an elector in reaching or leaving the place fixed for casting the elector's ballot;

(3) Give, tender, or exhibit any ballot or ticket to any person other than the elector's own ballot to the precinct election officials within the area between the polling place and the small flags of the United States placed on the thoroughfares and walkways leading to the polling place, and if the line of electors waiting to vote extends beyond those small flags, within ten feet of any elector in that line;

(4) Exhibit any ticket or ballot which the elector intends to cast;

(5) Solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any elector in casting the elector's vote.

(B)

(1) Except as otherwise provided in division (B)(2) of this section and division (C) of section 3503.23 of the Revised Code, no person who is not an election official, employee, observer, or police officer shall be allowed to enter the polling place during the election, except for the purpose of voting or assisting another person to vote as provided in section 3505.24 of the Revised Code.

(2) Notwithstanding any provision of this section to the contrary, a journalist shall be allowed reasonable access to a polling place during an election. As used in this division, "journalist" has the same meaning as in division (B)(2) of section 2923.129 of the Revised Code.

(C) No more electors shall be allowed to approach the voting shelves at any time than there are voting shelves provided.

(D) The precinct election officials and the police officer shall strictly enforce the observance of this section.

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Links already dead. Maybe next time post a pic of the tweet as they like to delete things to sensor now.

It's still working for me.

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okay... so far so good


WAT
hold on. I just need to state again
What the actual fuck?

the jump in logic is so massive, I can barely fathom.

for starters you stated


I pointed out that the site you stated to look up, where this info is dropping from, is super sketch. And you took that as me talking about publishers? WAT?
How did we get to publishers? Do you even understand what I said?
moving on to my next point

Again, this comes back to my point that the site looks non-legit. It doesn't matter if it LOOKS legit. Because it means jack squat if you can't CONFIRM that it's legit. Something as sketchy as this, has a very low chance of actually being true. Yeah 4chan can have something real, but 99% of the time, if someone states they are going to leak something, or xx thing. it never happens. Unless your rolling on that 1%
And with what I just stated, with it being owned by a company in the US, that's trying to pass off as something in China, given the Chinese text, by the fact it has no reputation/ no one has heard of the website, AND the fact that you can't even check who MADE THE ARTICLE or who owns the site. That's a massive red flag. You should always be able to know those things. If they claim they are news, and you don't get that, there is some massive issues ongoing.
I must ask what makes you believe the articles on that site, and also the site in general is reputable?
what is your standard of evidence?

Debating with some of you is a fools errand.

In my opinion instead of tackling the point, you look for some other thing you can talk about to diminish the evidence.

There has been even more dropped as of now, coupled with everything on the drive, there is a clear pattern with Hunter.

As I said to someone else:

But in this case it is pretty cut and dry. And a pattern with Hunter was started a long time ago, this all fits in line and as I said previously contents of the drive (email) have already been confirmed to be real by 3rd parties.

There have been multiple parties that have seen the hard drive that have said there is bad stuff on it. Both in relationship to Joe and Hunter and their family in regards to some of what is shown in the pictures.

Trying to debate with me about where the information is being hosted, is stupid. It does not change anything about the media that has dropped so far.

So lets get back to what I started which I have yet to see you actually comment on.

Are you suggesting NONE of this is real? That all of this data that has been released on Hunter are "deep fakes"??

There have been multiple photos and at least 1 video dropped so far.

 

[Deleted User]

Debating with some of you is a fools errand.

Yeah a fools errand because you rather spew your bs without question, regardless of accuracy or being factual, while hiding under the guise of someone who cares about fact, but then links to 4chan or other websites who are more than likely not factual. And I (I don't know entirely about my peers here) pop your bubble so severely, that you throw in the towel, and try moving to the next conversation.
You dislike or even hate us because we keep correcting your bullshit, we question your sources, we question your points, we provide counter points, and then often or not, just like now, you threw in the towel, and claimed it's a fools errand, you go and leave to the next talking point, since you can't make up a proper rebuttable.
My point still stands,
the site, for where the information is supposedly coming from,
doesn't state who owns it
doesn't let you see the author(s)
is somewhere located in the US, despite supposedly being Chinese.
That is sketchy, no matter how you look at it.
You've yet to rebut this issue. Because of these issue if I need to spell it out,
makes that site non-creditable. And so therefore whatever is put on it, is put into question.

 

[crimpshrine]

Yeah a fools errand because you rather spew your bs without question, regardless of accuracy or being factual, while hiding under the guise of someone who cares about fact, but then links to 4chan or other websites who are more than likely not factual. And I (I don't know entirely about my peers here) pop your bubble so severely, that you throw in the towel, and try moving to the next conversation.
You dislike or even hate us because we keep correcting your bullshit, we question your sources, we question your points, we provide counter points, and then often or not, just like now, you threw in the towel, and claimed it's a fools errand, you go and leave to the next talking point, since you can't make up a proper rebuttable.
My point still stands,
the site, for where the information is supposedly coming from,
doesn't state who owns it
doesn't let you see the author(s)
is somewhere located in the US, despite supposedly being Chinese.
That is sketchy, no matter how you look at it.
You've yet to rebut this issue. Because of these issue if I need to spell it out,
makes that site non-creditable. And so therefore whatever is put on it, is put into question.

I have yet to see you even talk about the original point of my message.

You just attempt to redirect to avoid the point.

You won't say they are invalid or fake. You just want to say where they are being hosted you have problems with and debate that.

It's like the typical response 2 or 3 of you do here.

Evidence A is displayed.

Oh that came from some "fill in the blank" website, so it means nothing.

But dude, what about the evidence? nahh I don't want to talk about that, I will just keep pointing out where it came from as an argument. And keep bringing that up.

 

[gregory-samba]

It's true that the websites you cite as sources usually bite the big one, but I would never use that as a cop out. In fact, I already addressed the flaws in your article two posts ago, here:

You chose not to respond.

You've failed to establish why a one poll "study" serves as proof that Ipsos is unfairly biased. A one poll micro-sample is quite literally the smallest sample size in the history of the universe and that's what you're hanging your hat on? The study I cited included 66 polls from Ipsos that measured it's polling bias as well as from hundreds of other pollsters. And finally, you've failed to establish why your micro-sample supersedes a 66 poll study from fivethirtyeight that concludes Ipsos isn't unfairly biased at all.

Look, I was just pointing out there's like 20+ pages features articles about how ipsos has a Liberal bias regarding the 2016 election polls they did. Whether it's true or not is beyond my ability to prove one way or the other, but I was just pointing it out.

 

[crimpshrine]

Reminder:

CURRENT DNI John Ratcliffe confirmed the hunter biden laptop is NOT connected to Russian disinformation effort. That there is no intelligence to support any claims of that nature. No matter what arm chair intelligence officers claim.

Signatures have been compared from the form at the computer place. And they match enough to suggest/indicate it was Hunter who signed.

Hunter Biden's Attorney has attempted to retrieve the hard drive from the computer store owner.

People on the email chains have confirmed they received the same message as in the evidence of his drive.

Secret service has confirmed that travel plans match places and times traveled listed in the emails.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10-20 CEG RHJ to Secret Service (Hunter Biden Travel Records Follow-Up) .pdf

Neither Joe, Hunter, or his campaign have said the data is invalid. Or that it is NOT his data/laptop.​

Various people have stated they have seen the pictures/texts on this hard drive. And outside of the emails that confirm Joe lied, there are pictures and texts to suggest Hunter was doing things with children on this laptop that were inappropriate and that even Joe Biden knew about his sons problems with not just drugs but things that included minors based on text messages and Joe's responses in this evidence.

OAN has seen the pictures and commented on video about them and Rudy Giuliani has seen the pictures and commented on them on video, and has said they were turned over to the Delaware State Police. OAN confirmed there are multiple minors in these pictures, they were only able to identify one of them, a Biden relative.

The NY Post who also has a copy of the hard drive reported originally that the laptop had a vast trove of sexual videos and images too.

Some Chinese group in the last 24 hours has started dropping videos and pictures of Hunter Biden saying that the Chinese government has this and much more on the Biden family.

There is obviously a pattern here and it started long before the last few weeks ago. Some of you can ignore reality and choose to say, but what about where the data is being hosted or even worse who is reporting it. LOL.

 

[gregory-samba]

Reminder:

CURRENT DNI John Ratcliffe confirmed the hunter biden laptop is NOT connected to Russian disinformation effort. That there is no intelligence to support any claims of that nature. No matter what arm chair intelligence officers claim.

Signatures have been compared from the form at the computer place. And they match enough to suggest/indicate it was Hunter who signed.

Hunter Biden's Attorney has attempted to retrieve the hard drive from the computer store owner.

People on the email chains have confirmed they received the same message as in the evidence of his drive.

Secret service has confirmed that travel plans match places and times traveled listed in the emails.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10-20 CEG RHJ to Secret Service (Hunter Biden Travel Records Follow-Up) .pdf

Neither Joe, Hunter, or his campaign have said the data is invalid. Or that it is NOT his data/laptop.​

Various people have stated they have seen the pictures/texts on this hard drive. And outside of the emails that confirm Joe lied, there are pictures and texts to suggest Hunter was doing things with children on this laptop that were inappropriate and that even Joe Biden knew about his sons problems with not just drugs but things that included minors based on text messages and Joe's responses in this evidence.

OAN has seen the pictures and commented on video about them and Rudy Giuliani has seen the pictures and commented on them on video, and has said they were turned over to the Delaware State Police. OAN confirmed there are multiple minors in these pictures, they were only able to identify one of them, a Biden relative.

The NY Post who also has a copy of the hard drive reported originally that the laptop had a vast trove of sexual videos and images too.

Some Chinese group in the last 24 hours has started dropping videos and pictures of Hunter Biden saying that the Chinese government has this and much more on the Biden family.

There is obviously a pattern here and it started long before the last few weeks ago. Some of you can ignore reality and choose to say, but what about where the data is being hosted or even worse who is reporting it. LOL.

Heh, I wonder how the Ukrainians would have reacted if they knew Hunter Biden was a crackhead when Joe Biden forced quid pro quo on them to get him a job. I wonder how bad he fucked it up too.

 

[Deleted User]

I have yet to see you even talk about the original point of my message.

Original point you made:

Did you guys see the sex tapes/pic/videos dropped by some Chinese group saying they will be continuing to release stuff every hour? So far they have released 3 things today from what I can see.
I won't post any links but I could find it by googling "gnews org hunter"

my post:

Not going to even bother with the website or article. it's clearly trash.
Tl;Dr
no about me page (it redirects to a policy page)
there isn't a single author of the article, or articles.doesn't list who made it, just the editors
No sources, or sources that link to themselves
No reputation since this is the first I've ever heard of them, and many haven't either
the company who owns it, is based in the USA, even though they definitely try to paint the image as if it is from china, given the Chinese text. I also can't figure out the founder since it's going under a possible alias. Which only makes it more sketchy.
Oh and said company is for profit. so...
I'll take your statement with a extreme grain of salt. burden of proof is on you to actually give me something worth my time.
If your going to state it's true. tell me why I shouldn't take it super sketch. Don't pull circular reasoning either.
I rather not have to go through a constant circle of arguments with you.

tl;dr
My point boils down to:
gnews.org is not trustworthy.
your response

That's where the information is dropping from my understanding and I believe being hosted at the moment. That's all I know. I don't see anywhere me making the argument about anything related to where this info is being published.

Not sure what you are going on about..

I am actually more interested in the information, because from everything I have seen so far it looks legitimate.

You can but this, but that all you want. Does not matter to me, it was not my point.

In bold is the part that I take issue with. Since I already stated/made the point the site is not trustworthy. I then ask for you to prove that it is. You fail to provide proof. ad nauseam
So again, your ignoring my counter point. Because you cannot refute it.
That being:
the website is sketchy, therefore the information on it is not factual given that I cannot see the author of the article, and/or know who owns the website. Therefore the whole sex tape thing is questionable/ in question of being real/Skeptical of it being real
also, there is no images of it, or videos included. Rather just talked about again.

 

[crimpshrine]

Heh, I wonder how the Ukrainians would have reacted if they knew Hunter Biden was a crackhead when Joe Biden forced quid pro quo on them to get him a job. I wonder how bad he fucked it up too.

Yeah I can only imagine what he did. To be fair he was just a figurehead to collect a paycheck for himself and his dad. If you ran a big business and were forced to pay someone to be on the books. And they are supposed to do the accounting (with 0 experience) for your business, you probably would tell them to do anything but actually work on your books.

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Original point you made:



my post:



tl;dr
My point boils down to:
gnews.org is not trustworthy.
your response

In bold is the part that I take issue with. Since I already stated the site is not trustworthy. I then ask for you to prove that it is. You fail to provide proof.
So again, your ignoring my counter point. Because you cannot refute it.
That being:
the website is sketchy, therefore the information on it is not factual given that I cannot see the author of the article, or know who owns the website. Therefore the whole sex tape thing is questionable/ in question of being real. also, there is no images of it, or videos included. Rather just talked about again.

"everything I have seen so far it looks legitimate."

Means the media. That is what the Chinese started dropping less than 24 hours ago.

So this is what the 4th time of me making my point? I keep pointing out my original post is about what the Chinese government has on the Biden's.

And again you are back to who is hosting the data.

The data seems to line up in pattern with what we already know from the laptop that has been confirmed to be legitimate.

So do you also believe the laptop data is invalid even with all the corroboration that has occurred at this point, related to it?

 

[Chrisssj2]

Look at these humans vote for their slave overlords... Sigh.. Are we doomed?

 

[Deleted User]

"everything I have seen so far it looks legitimate."

Means the media. That is what the Chinese started dropping less than 24 hours ago.

Let me go use your own quote against you. Since you just contradicted yourself
"that's where the information is dropping from my understanding and I believe being hosted at the moment"
referring to gnews.
Not referring to Chinese.(gnews is hosted in the USA. you would of found that out if you payed attention to my earlier post)
It's like me saying that the German government has started investigated (some thing x). In a random website.
Does not mean it's true. If this is the only source stating it, then again, I question, it.

 

[crimpshrine]

Let me go use your own quote against you. Since you just contradicted yourself
"that's where the information is dropping from my understanding and I believe being hosted at the moment"
referring to gnews.
Not referring to Chinese.(gnews is hosted in the USA. you would of found that out if you payed attention to my earlier post)
It's like me saying that the German government has started investigated (some thing x). In a random website.
Does not mean it's true. If this is the only source stating it, then again, I question, it.

Don't follow at all, I was saying it looked to me like it is only being hosted on that website. (available for download, similar to youtube for example)

And again you seem to want to debate the semantics rather that what I keep telling you over and over again.

The video's and pictures. They fit the pattern and the makeup of the Biden family that has been established based on other corroborated proof from the laptop.

For you to try to counter the newest released information (videos + pics) by the Chinese as invalid because of where it was hosted is just crazy in my opinion.

That is fine to question it, I question things too. I get that. But whoever is hosting the data and delivering it, is no different then youtube in this situation and all I see you doing is questioning the party hosting the data. I don't believe I have seen you actually question the information they released. Like anything was photoshopped, fake video, etc..

And AGAIN, this data that was released all fits within the pattern based on the corroborated proof the laptop data is real. This is not out of left field.

 

[gregory-samba]

Don't follow at all, I was saying it looked to me like it is only being hosted on that website. (available for download, similar to youtube for example)

And again you seem to want to debate the semantics rather that what I keep telling you over and over again.

The video's and pictures. They fit the pattern and the makeup of the Biden family that has been established based on other corroborated proof from the laptop.

For you to try to counter the newest released information (videos + pics) by the Chinese as invalid because of where it was hosted is just crazy in my opinion.

That is fine to question it, I question things too. I get that. But whoever is hosting the data and delivering it, is no different then youtube in this situation and all I see you doing is questioning the party hosting the data.

And AGAIN, this data that was released all fits within the pattern based on the corroborated proof the laptop data is real. This is not out of left field.

I'm not going anywhere near videos with kids in them, but it is really close to election and deep fakes do exist. I wouldn't trust some random group of hackers especially considering the Chinese would not benefit if Trump wins again. If any of these things on his laptop are real and in the hands of the authorities then eventually down the road there will be some sort of action taken. For now I'd advise to stay far away from anything being leaked or what have you.

 

[crimpshrine]

I'm not going anywhere near videos with kids in them, but it is really close to election and deep fakes do exist. I wouldn't trust some random group of hackers especially considering the Chinese would not benefit if Trump wins again. If any of these things on his laptop are real and in the hands of the authorities then eventually down the road there will be some sort of action taken. For now I'd advise to stay far away from anything being leaked or what have you.

None of the videos (or pictures) released in the last 24 hours from the Chinese have kids in them GS. Any reference I have made to Hunter and kids has been from the data on the laptop that has been confirmed by a few people so far, and was turned over to the authorities.

 

[Foxi4]

Saw the videos out of curiosity, I wish I hadn't. They're real, it's just Hunter Biden doing crack and weird sex stuff with (most likely) prostitutes. They're not "deep fakes" - if they are, they're remarkably good, but I doubt that very much. "I don't trust the source, therefore the evidence is fake" line of rebuttal isn't great when the veracity of the claims can be verified with your own eyeballs, you just choose not to do so.

All of the sex stuff is irrelevant and a distraction from the real meat of the leaked information. People should focus more on the suspicious dealings within the Biden family and not on the sex life of a crackhead whom we know was a crackhead all along. Hunter Biden rubs off some of his bad smell on Joe, but is by far not the most important part of the leaks, rather he's tabloid fodder.

 

[Deleted User]

Saw the videos out of curiosity, I wish I hadn't. They're not fake, it's just Hunter Biden doing crack and weird sex stuff with (most likely) prostitutes. They're not deep fakes - if they are, they're remarkably good, but I doubt that very much. "I don't trust the source, therefore the evidence is fake" line of rebuttal isn't great when the veracity of the claims can be verified with your own eyeballs, you just choose not to do so.

All of the sex stuff is irrelevant and a distraction from the real meat of the leaked information. People should focus more on the suspicious dealings within the Biden family and not on the sex life of a crackhead whom we know was a crackhead all along. Hunter Biden rubs off some of his bad smell on Joe, but is by far not the most important part of the leaks, rather he's tabloid fodder.

Actually, I do still question it. originally when I made my post, the video was not out, when I went to the site.
But I do have an issue with it now that I seen it.
if this is supposedly from that laptop
Why is the quality so low?

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If in the new york post it as a macobook pro (which they stated it was) that webcam is abnormally low quality. Even if it was the 2014-2017 model. It's quality would not be that low. Nor would it be 4:3