[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[TheCasualties]

The media and the GOP went on a Crusade against Trump in 2016, even claimed he hired hookers to piss on a bed, yet he overcame it. Why couldn't Bernie?

Idk, maybe because the media kept putting trump on screen. He kept getting eyeballs watching the news, and that's all the media cares about. Whereas they seemingly forgot Bernie existed. They basically said Bernie was a lost cause, as far as I saw. You probably saw more of it than I did. You could probably tell me. The 2 situations don't really seem the same in my eyes.

Also it might be that Trump lives in the mud, while Bernie has a heart and doesn't like slinging mud. He isn't as "sensational" and thus not 'media worthy'?

It seems to me that the rich and the ones in charge of media were scared of Sanders and his ideals, and thus got thrown under the bus. Trump is a totally different beast that makes the media money anytime he shows his orange face.

But again, you probably know this better than I do. I'd like to hear your thoughts about it. Also curious about your thoughts on the USPS being destroyed. Seems to screw everyone, except Trump and "his" election.

 

[Lacius]

The media and the GOP went on a Crusade against Trump in 2016, even claimed he hired hookers to piss on a bed, yet he overcame it. Why couldn't Bernie?

Idk, maybe because the media kept putting trump on screen. He kept getting eyeballs watching the news, and that's all the media cares about. Whereas they seemingly forgot Bernie existed. They basically said Bernie was a lost cause, as far as I saw. You probably saw more of it than I did. You could probably tell me. The 2 situations don't really seem the same in my eyes.

Also it might be that Trump lives in the mud, while Bernie has a heart and doesn't like slinging mud. He isn't as "sensational" and thus not 'media worthy'?

It seems to me that the rich and the ones in charge of media were scared of Sanders and his ideals, and thus got thrown under the bus. Trump is a totally different beast that makes the media money anytime he shows his orange face.

But again, you probably know this better than I do. I'd like to hear your thoughts about it. Also curious about your thoughts on the USPS being destroyed. Seems to screw everyone, except Trump and "his" election.

Bernie Sanders was the frontrunner to win the Democratic Primary throughout the month of February. He lost as a direct result of the exodus of moderate candidates right before Super Tuesday, whose supporters mostly consolidated behind Biden.

Sanders and Biden were both ahead of Trump in head-to-head polls during that time, and they each had a good shot against Trump. However, Biden had a better chance against Trump. Some numbers:

• Trump vs. Biden on February 1, 2020: Biden +5.4%
• Trump vs. Sanders on February 1, 2020: Sanders +3.7%
• Trump vs. Clinton on February 1, 2016: Clinton +3.5%
• Trump vs. Clinton on November 8, 2016: Clinton +2.1% (popular vote)

Today, Biden beats Trump in the polls by +7.7%.

 

[emigre]

As a Brit, I hope Biden wins as I am sick of fuck of hearing Trump's tweets and his general bullshit.

 

[Viri]

Bernie Sanders was the frontrunner to win the Democratic Primary throughout the month of February. He lost as a direct result of the exodus of moderate candidates right before Super Tuesday, whose supporters mostly consolidated behind Biden.

So, you're trying to tell me that voters want a moderate and don't really support all of Bernie's policies? If I paid attention to just Twitter and Reddit, I'd have a way different picture painted.

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As a Brit, I hope Biden wins as I am sick of fuck of hearing Trump's tweets and his general bullshit.

Get used to it, because you have another 4+ years of it.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Notice how the poll has more Trump supporters?

 

[Lacius]

So, you're trying to tell me that voters want a moderate and don't really support all of Bernie's policies? If I paid attention to just Twitter and Reddit, I'd have a way different picture painted.

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Get used to it, because you have another 4+ years of it.

I'm telling you that, according to general election polling, Biden does better against Trump than Sanders, but Sanders also beats Trump in a hypothetical matchup. Democratic Party voters also prefer Biden over Sanders, but that can be due in part to the aforementioned polling that shows Biden does better against Trump among the general electorate. In other words, some Democratic primary voters who are most closely in alignment with Sanders/Warren voted for Biden because they want to maximize the chances of defeating Trump.

 

[Lacius]

Notice how the poll has more Trump supporters?

1. It's actually flip-flopping between Biden and Trump, depending on when you look at the poll results. At some point in the afternoon yesterday, for example, Biden was up +1 vote.
2. This is a GBATemp poll, which is small and isn't exactly reflective of US voters. For example, I could do a poll in Alabama, and those results don't say much about the election as a whole.
3. Based on the 2016 election and 2016 GBATemp poll, members of GBATemp skew about 9.9% in the Republican direction in comparison to US voters (Clinton won the popular vote in the US by +2.1%, and Tempers preferred Trump by +7.8%).
4. Trump currently leads Biden by only +2.8% (3 votes) among GBATemp voters.
5. The current 2020 poll results show a swing of 5% in Biden's direction compared to the 2016 poll.
6. Considering the 5% swing and that GBATemp was skewed about 9.9% in Trump's direction last time in comparison to US voters, anyone who supports Trump should be concerned. That would translate to about +7.1 in favor of Biden amongst US voters (2.8 minus 9.9), which is surprisingly close to the actual polling average right now (Biden +7.7).

 

[emigre]

1. It's actually flip-flopping between Biden and Trump, depending on when you look at the poll results. At some point in the afternoon yesterday, for example, Biden was up +1 vote.
2. This is a GBATemp poll, which is small and isn't exactly reflective of US voters. For example, I could do a poll in Alabama, and those results don't say much about the election as a whole.
3. Based on the 2016 election and 2016 GBATemp poll, members of GBATemp skew about 9.9% in the Republican direction in comparison to US voters (Clinton won the popular vote in the US by +2.1%, and Tempers preferred Trump by +7.8%).
4. Trump currently leads Biden by only +2.8% (3 votes) among GBATemp voters.
5. The currently 2020 poll results show a swing of 5% compared to the 2016 poll.
6. Considering the 5% swing and that GBATemp was skewed about 9.9% in Trump's direction last time in comparison to US voters, anyone who supports Trump should be concerned. That would translate to about +7.1 in favor of Biden amongst US voters (2.8 minus 9.9), which is surprisingly close to the actual polling average right now (Biden +7.7).

I respect your stats game.

Get used to it, because you have another 4+ years of it.

Do me a favour and vote for Biden. I'm a patriot and I only want to hear stupid shit for my own government. Thanks.

 

[ccfman2004]

While I don't always agree on what Trump does (FCC Chairman for ex). The Democrats are doing everything they can to undermine any good Trump is trying to do and the media never talks about any good moves Trump does, they only talk about the bad ones.

In 2016 I didn't want Trump but I sure as hell didn't want Hillary as she wanted to overturn several US amendments that gave US citizens certain rights like the right to bare arms. (Australia tried that and it resulted in a rise in crime)

In 2020 I am genuinely terrified of what a Biden America would be. It's bad enough he picks a corrupt prosecutor who withheld evidence that a death row inmate was innocent and she only produced the evidence because she was forced to and not because she wanted right a wrong.

Before the pandemic America was doing pretty well, unemployment was at a 40 year low, employment was at a 50 year high. He's trying to lower prescription drugs and stick it to Big Pharma (why is my insulin $2500 for a 75 day supply for ex). He's trying to go around congress where Democrats keep trying to add non COVID crap into the bill and give money to illegals and the Republicans are not falling for it. He is trying to convince companies to come back to America and hire Americans. He made it so my Uncle can go to the nearest hospital (8 miles away) as opposed to the nearest VA hospital (2 hours away).

Some Democrats were caught hiring people and paying them around $15 hour to riot just to make Trump look bad.

It's funny, years ago it was the Republican Party that was bad and the Democrats were the good guys. Man times have changed.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

So are we all in agreement to not vote for the white guy?

 

[TehCupcakes]

I don't know who I'll vote for. I side most closely with the Republican party but definitely will not be voting for Trump. In 2016 I voted for Evan McMullin, and I would again if he was running. Although on paper I side with Trump on a lot of issues, I think there is more to being president than your policies. I think integrity, honesty, and general morality should be evaluated much higher in how people vote, but apparently America disagrees with me on that. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised... Successful corporations are driven by corrupt, abusive, and questionable leaders; politics isn't all that different.

 

[Lacius]

While I don't always agree on what Trump does (FCC Chairman for ex). The Democrats are doing everything they can to undermine any good Trump is trying to do and the media never talks about any good moves Trump does, they only talk about the bad ones.

In 2016 I didn't want Trump but I sure as hell didn't want Hillary as she wanted to overturn several US amendments that gave US citizens certain rights like the right to bare arms. (Australia tried that and it resulted in a rise in crime)

In 2020 I am genuinely terrified of what a Biden America would be. It's bad enough he picks a corrupt prosecutor who withheld evidence that a death row inmate was innocent and she only produced the evidence because she was forced to and not because she wanted right a wrong.

Before the pandemic America was doing pretty well, unemployment was at a 40 year low, employment was at a 50 year high. He's trying to lower prescription drugs and stick it to Big Pharma (why is my insulin $2500 for a 75 day supply for ex). He's trying to go around congress where Democrats keep trying to add non COVID crap into the bill and give money to illegals and the Republicans are not falling for it. He is trying to convince companies to come back to America and hire Americans. He made it so my Uncle can go to the nearest hospital (8 miles away) as opposed to the nearest VA hospital (2 hours away).

Some Democrats were caught hiring people and paying them around $15 hour to riot just to make Trump look bad.

It's funny, years ago it was the Republican Party that was bad and the Democrats were the good guys. Man times have changed.

Trump inherited a healthy economy from Obama and did nothing to improve it. In fact, Trump's mishandling of COVID-19 made it worse than it had to be.

 

[Gon Freecss]

Drain the swamp!

 

[WD_GASTER2]

^ your picture has a reference to pizza gate....
that alone tells me the Ben Garrison needs to lay off the cocoa puffs.
also putting goldman sachs people in charge is hardly draining the swamp.

 

[FAST6191]

In 2016 I didn't want Trump but I sure as hell didn't want Hillary as she wanted to overturn several US amendments that gave US citizens certain rights like the right to bare arms.

I always wondered why people thought her unlikeable (seemed like a boring as dirt politician) but now I learn she presumably wanted to ban tshirts, short sleeved shirts and wifebeater vests... what a cunt.

 

[Lacius]

but now I learn she presumably wanted to ban tshirts, short sleeved shirts and wifebeater vests... what a cunt.

This isn't true. The worst thing she ever did was Pokemon Go to the Polls.

Edit: I just got the joke.

 

[omgcat]

Notice how the poll has more Trump supporters?

sampling bias, we exist on a forum that has a high barrier to entry, and is borderline piracy related in the first place.

and by barrier to entry i mean you need to know the forum exists in the first place, and care enough about homebrew and hacking to look it up.

Drain the swamp!

imagine thinking there is some large democrat conspiracy. like get 10 liberals in a room and try to get them to agree on ANYTHING. there are huge numbers of varying coalitions in the democratic party that are all pulling for control at any given time. hell most of the democratic party was on the fence and arguing about legalizing gay marriage less than 15 years ago.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

imagine thinking there is some large democrat conspiracy.

There is.

Notice which one mentions race and which doesn't?
Sure, it's not the theoretical conspiracy that you're talking about, but it's a conspiracy. By the way, the one on the right is Cannon Hinnant.

 

[FAST6191]

imagine thinking there is some large democrat conspiracy. like get 10 liberals in a room and try to get them to agree on ANYTHING. there are huge numbers of varying coalitions in the democratic party that are all pulling for control at any given time. hell most of the democratic party was on the fence and arguing about legalizing gay marriage less than 15 years ago.

Watching some amount of Australian politics I do always find the use of liberals in that way amusing.

Anyway is there particularly likely to be all that much agreement among the "I am very much a Christian but I send money to Israel because I want to see the end of the world in my lifetime", the handful of Reagan was wrong and we need to go earlier, the remaining Reagan was right set, the current Trump loving set, the younger conservative types that wonder what the older types were thinking stopping the gays from being married, and probably the least well served of the left-right dichotomy in the libertarians (usually seen doing personal rights, feds get out of my life, states are good, drugs are a personal choice, personal autonomy and definitely no state prescribed morality, a direct contrast to the "the bible should be a guiding force to the government and laws" types in other sets, never mind the porn discussion for those).

I would say the right wing (again ignoring misgivings with that term) of the US politics probably has a greater dose of pragmatism (how much that matters I don't know -- I don't know how many of the "real communism has never been tried" types will stay at home as a protest vote or whatever given the binary choice, though the centrists/those that do change might not care for the appeasements).
Certainly the scale of beliefs encompassed, often with some amount of popularity (you might find an authoritarian royalist somewhere in the US, would be difficult though, no trouble at all finding a Marxist) for current US left wing stuff does mean I would bet higher on the right wing coming to some form of general consensus but I would not operate under the assumption it is in any way stable.

 

[omgcat]

There is.

Notice which one mentions race and which doesn't?
Sure, it's not the theoretical conspiracy that you're talking about, but it's a conspiracy. By the way, the one on the right is Cannon Hinnant.

"Right-wing media seized on Cannon Hinnant's death to discredit Black Lives Matter and suggest a double standard among mainstream outlets, but his family has said it has "nothing to do with race." "

if the right wing media is outraged about the lack of coverage when this happened, why didn't they cover it themselves? they have full control over what they choose to publish.

The events themselves are different, cannon was killed by a neighbor, not some random woman who chose to attack him. Generally when random attacks happen, you would use descriptor words to talk about the attackers and victims. if a fight or attack between known parties happen, less descriptive terms are used as people know who the attackers are.