Trump Impeachment: Public Hearings Have Begun

[cots]

Will you admit defeat when impeachment passes the House? Didn't think so. How is it any more significant that the Republican-controlled Senate will vote not to remove him from office? It isn't. Your childish obsession with "winning" and "losing" borders on a psychological disorder, and it's that type of simplistic understanding of how the world works which is going to cause the downfall of this country.

There's a reason almost every Republican Congress person brought up the fact impeachment was premeditated and this wasn't the first attempt. They clearly outlined 3 previous attempts. So it's not debatable. It's just fact.

I will accept Trump was impeached in Congress and then if he's cleared in the Senate I'll accept the 3 branches of the Government did their respective jobs and that Trump was cleared and can stay in office. Just like how I accepted when Obama won the election and that was based on the electoral college (same with the two Presidents before him, which I never tried to reject). Where was the outcry when the previous Presidents won via the electoral college? Someone with TDS shouldn't be accusing others of psychological disorders.

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You're fighting an up-hill battle my friend. The politically-ignorant don't concede, nor do they listen to logic. They've got blinders up and just want to "stick it to the libtards". You won't change his mind. He's too held back by his own delusions, bias, and hatred for the other party. He's part of a cult. You can't change somebody who's part of a cult...

What cult is that? I'm not a Republican. The cult of people who stand up against tyranny and injustice by immoral lying sinning thieving racist bigots trying to push socialism on the country? Then I'm guilty as charged.

 

[Josshy0125]

There's a reason almost every Republican Congress person brought up the fact impeachment was premeditated and this wasn't the first attempt. They clearly outlined 3 previous attempts. So it's not debatable. It's just fact.

I will accept Trump was impeached in Congress and then if he's cleared in the Senate I'll accept the 3 branches of the Government did their respective jobs and that Trump was cleared and can stay in office. Just like how I accepted when Obama won and that was based on the electoral college (same with the two Presidents before him, which I never tried to reject). Someone with TDS shouldn't be accusing others of psychological disorders.

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What cult is that? I'm not Republican.

Clearly

 

[Xzi]

You're fighting an up-hill battle my friend. The politically-ignorant don't concede, nor do they listen to logic. They've got blinders up and just want to "stick it to the libtards". You won't change his mind. He's too held back by his own delusions, bias, and hatred for the other party. He's part of a cult. You can't change somebody who's part of a cult...

Yeah I know, it's a waste of my time. Though if the 2020s and 2030s are going to be a repeat of the 1920s and 1930s, with the Axis and Allies reversed, at least I can say I made a fuss about it. For all the potential the internet had in the beginning, it feels like all it ended up doing was making people even more susceptible to propaganda than they were before.

 

[cots]

Yeah I know, it's a waste of my time. Though if the 2020s and 2030s are going to be a repeat of the 1920s and 1930s, with the Axis and Allies reversed, at least I can say I made a fuss about it. For all the potential the internet had in the beginning, it feels like all it ended up doing was making people even more susceptible to propaganda than they were before.

There was no party switch. It's a fallacy. What happened was that a handful of Democrats rejected their party and changed their belief system and became Republicans. It also didn't happen until much later. Back in the 1920s and 1930s and up until the 1960s the Democratic's platform on various racial issues didn't change and up until 2010 they still had a member of the triple letter group in Congress. Sorry bud, but your fallacies are a reason why I rejected your party. Just ask Leon Dunson (he knows his shit - make sure to read the video comments). So I'm wondering. If Trump is cleared in the Sentate will you accept your side lost the impeachment attempt and give up and work with Trump and the Republicans to better society or will you disrespect our 3 branches of Government and continue to try to impeach Trump? Will you admit you lost? How about today's testimony? Did you watch any of it? Can you refute any of the things that the Republican's brought up?

 

[Xzi]

There was no party switch. It's a fallacy.

How full of shit can you possibly be? Republicans still fly the confederate flag for fuck's sake. I've never claimed that the Democratic establishment doesn't have its problems, but continuing to side with the KKK is not one of them. David Duke expressly endorsed Donald Trump.

 

[cots]

How full of shit can you possibly be? Republicans still fly the confederate flag for fuck's sake.

Watch the video. Don't selectively leave out what I typed to you. You're also baiting me to derail the topic, which is against the rules. I addressed your concern now stay on topic and address mine.

I'll ask you again - If Trump is cleared in the Sentate will you accept your side lost the impeachment attempt and give up and work with Trump and the Republicans to better society or will you disrespect our 3 branches of Government and continue to try to impeach Trump? Will you admit you lost? How about today's testimony? Did you watch any of it? Can you refute any of the things that the Republican's brought up?

 

[Xzi]

I'll ask you again - If Trump is cleared in the Sentate will you accept your side lost the impeachment attempt and give up and work with Trump and the Republicans to better society or will you disrespect our 3 branches of Government and continue to try to impeach Trump?

There's not going to be a second resolution to impeach, just as there were no resolutions to impeach put forward before this one. Impeachment will pass with a majority in the House, removal from office will fail to gain a majority in the Senate. That leaves us right back where we started, with a high likelihood that Trump will seek foreign assistance in his 2020 election bid. By and large, Americans will have a hard time trusting election results from here on out, and with good reason.

That's all the more that I can possibly infer at the moment, and all the more that I care to. Democracy seems to be waning the world over, with authoritarianism gaining momentum.

 

[cots]

There's not going to be a second resolution to impeach, just as there were no resolutions to impeach put forward before this one. Impeachment will pass with a majority in the House, removal from office will fail to gain a majority in the Senate. That leaves us right back where we started, with a high likelihood that Trump will seek foreign assistance in his 2020 election bid. By and large, Americans will have a hard time trusting election results from here on out, and with good reason.

That's all the more that I can possibly infer at the moment, and all the more that I care to. Democracy seems to be waning the world over, with authoritarianism gaining momentum.

Seeings as it was Hillary with support from foreign agents and our FBI who helped meddle in the 2016 election I think we're safe from interference from Trump. Unless you still believe after years of service and how great of a leader he's been that he's an actual Russian agent. If that's the case then you're clearly in need of some meds for that TDS. I think Biden's son might have some for you.

 

[notimp]

Did she tell you?



Thats even a little more insane than liberal elites holding fake workshops on how to prevent russian election interference hacking, while at the same time not wanting to do anything about microtargeting, or the entire lack of regulation of social media.

Because that, of course, comes from our good friends the US, which we share our values with.

The russians are comin, the russians are coming...!
Hilary is coming, with her foreign agents, and the FBI..!

As far as I'm concerned, the end of democracy is 30 different pitches - all lies, reaching 30 different targeted demographics on social media.
(See: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50726500 )

Yours is Hillary with them foreign agents and the FBI?
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So if this were trolling I'd say we've reached the stages, where cots is only interfering to destroy all ongoing conversation.

Because no sane individual can assume, that they post highly disturbing imagery - so 'the liberals can see, that theay are killing babies', and then proclaim Hillary and the foreign agents together with the FBI is stealing the vote - and then imagine, that he/she has all eyes on them - now just listening to their gospel.

Go get help. You tick all the boxes. (You are not looking for knowledge here.)

 

[RationalityIsLost101]

Biden's son was a crack head at one point in his life. Not only does crack dependence greatly reduce your cognitive skills for years, but crack addicts will do whatever it takes to get more drugs, including stealing and sex acts. I wonder if daddy bailed him out on a daily basis and bought him his dope so he didn't have to go suck a fat drug dealers dick to get his fix. I understand that this had nothing to do with the impeachment, but it fucking cracked me up.

Its entirely comical that the Floridan representative that brought that up, he himself struggles with alcohol and had his dad use his political influence to bail himself out of multiple dwi's. Whether or not that allegation brought forth today is true or not. No one has asserted Biden's son earned that job on his own merit. It doesn't excuse Trump's behavior. Just a simple distraction from the conversation at hand.

 

[RationalityIsLost101]

A hyper-partisan like @cots (the same one who I presume blocked me due to me pointing out his inconsistencies on this thread and others) insists that democrats exclusively pre-planned impeachment. That narrative was disproven earlier in this thread as multiple republican congressmen pledged to investigate and impeach Clinton if she won in 2016.

I'd argue that if bad actors are ignored then the best point of view is that the majority of either party would not support impeachment without sufficient cause. I pointed evidence of this earlier in this thread by a prior impeachment vote in December 2017 (Regarding Charlottesville). Where only a small minority of democrats even supported the article. But those facts are inconvenient to a hyper-partisan narrative.

He further asserts FBI supported Hillary Clinton while ignoring those that also were pro-trump and pushed to reopen the email investigation right before the election.

I support public transparency so be damned if that was inconvenient to one party or another as long as there was sufficient information to launch an investigation. @cots who appears to only view in a 'us' vs 'them' would be incapable of holding such a rational view.

 

[Hanafuda]

Its entirely comical that the Floridan representative that brought that up, he himself struggles with alcohol and had his dad use his political influence to bail himself out of multiple dwi's. Whether or not that allegation brought forth today is true or not. No one has asserted Biden's son earned that job on his own merit. It doesn't excuse Trump's behavior. Just a simple distraction from the conversation at hand.

Gaetz had ONE arrest for DUI, the case was dismissed. I agree with you that his daddy's influence probably helped make that happen, even if that just means daddy could get sonny the best connected lawyer in town, and even if the article I'm linking below says they couldn't find evidence of it. But the dismissal rate for DUI arrests nationwide is pretty high anyway, there's nothing especially special that Gaetz got popped when he was 25yo, nor that the case was dropped. But anyway, just saying it was one arrest, ever. Not "multiple."

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-po...-says-matt-gaetz-has-numerous-duis-its-wrong/

 

[Glyptofane]

How full of shit can you possibly be? Republicans still fly the confederate flag for fuck's sake.

I don't fly it, but do have one. I collect certain flags and have some other cool ones, Hezbollah being my personal favorite.

 

[RationalityIsLost101]

Gaetz had ONE arrest for DUI, the case was dismissed. I agree with you that his daddy's influence probably helped make that happen, even if that just means daddy could get sonny the best connected lawyer in town, and even if the article I'm linking below says they couldn't find evidence of it. But the dismissal rate for DUI arrests nationwide is pretty high anyway, there's nothing especially special that Gaetz got popped when he was 25yo, nor that the case was dropped. But anyway, just saying it was one arrest, ever. Not "multiple."

Noted, I remember reading about a juvenile dui as well that his dad helped seal but that may have been taken out of context, this was a while ago during his campaign for office. If I can produce it I will, otherwise I'll agree it was the one. As far as pushing influence. DUI's are often disputed and if someone is knowledgeable of the law enough to abstain from any cooperation can be difficult to prove.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook...-says-rep-matt-gaetz-has-numerous-duis-wrong/
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When Gaetz was 26, he was driving back from a nightclub on Okaloosa Island in a BMW registered to his father, then-Florida Sen. Don Gaetz. Okaloosa County Deputy Chris Anglin clocked Gaetz traveling 48 mph in a 35 mph.

Anglin reported that Gaetz’s eyes were watery and bloodshot, and he swayed and staggered when he got out of the car and smelled of alcohol.

Gaetz, a lawyer, admitted he had consumed two beers but declined field sobriety tests. He was arrested and refused the breath test.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz#cite_note-tampaarrest-95
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...ot-raises-questions-about-dui-arrest/2166023/
Another source says the following:
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Police recorded Gaetz driving 13 mph over that area's speed limit.[94] Police noted that Gaetz had shown physical signs of intoxication, initially denied that he had drunk alcohol, but later admitted to drinking two beers. Gaetz failed an eye test twice, then declined field sobriety tests. After Gaetz was arrested, he refused to take a breathalyzer test.
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Its clear on the presentation of evidence from the arresting officer that Gaetz has been drinking, its not clear if it was over the legal limit since he denied to cooperate with officers of any further sobriety tests after he failed the eye test twice, but enough evidence was presented to indict him for it because of the arresting officer's evidence.

I'm familiar with politics of law enforcement enough to stand behind what I stated. The original prosecutor who presided over the case before it went to court was known by the defendant. It wasn't until later that it was given to another county.

Something that was peculiar in this dui case was the following, this is why people presume his dad's connections influenced the case:

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An officer for the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles declared there was no evidence that Gaetz refused a breathalyzer test, despite the arresting police officer having documented it in an affidavit and Gaetz's arrest report, and Gaetz's own attorney also documenting it.
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[RationalityIsLost101]

Final note of potential Daddy's influence for Gaetz and ill stop derailing:
https://miamiherald.typepad.com/nak...k-about-his-mug-shot-but-not-his-arrest-.html
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He didn't have his license suspended for a year when he refused the breath test — as Florida law dictates. And he didn't have that refusal used against him in a criminal proceeding. Charges against Gaetz were dismissed after events that included, among other things, the forced resignation of the arresting officer.
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[tinkle]

I'm looking forward for the impeachment to follow through into charges of treason - for both Trump, and his supporters. The influx of racist, homophobic, transphobic, radicals into our prison system might actually see it get some of the funding it needs.

 

[tinkle]

Are you going to come with the police when they come to my house to arrest me because your fascist Liberal ass can't handle shit?

Based on your post history, I'll get to gleefully see the news reports about the psycho who tried to start a shootout with law enforcement and got gunned down by the police he so vehemently defended as not being corrupt at all as per the republican narrative.

 

[Sicklyboy]

I leave for 5 goddamn minutes...

 

[Hanafuda]

SCOTUS just granted cert to Trump's challenge of the House's subpoenas to produce his financial records. Whether SCOTUS eventually rules for or against him, just that they granted certiorari means the President is entitled to judicial review of his opposition of Congressional committee subpoenas.

The 2nd article of impeachment alleges the President "obstructed Congress" by refusing to immediately comply with House subpoenas for certain persons to testify and instead put it to the Supreme Court whether he had to comply (nevermind that Obama also refused to allow certain persons to testify, and never even sought to make sure he was in the right). But that's dead in the water now. SCOTUS says the President can validly dispute Congressional subpoenas. Trump might lose, Trump might win ... but the point is there's nothing wrong with the President referring the matter for resolution to the Courts.


This is what Turley was talking about here:

 

[Xzi]

SCOTUS says this is a valid dispute.

SCOTUS is wrong. There is no debate about what the word "shall" means. This is an attempt to subvert and re-write the Constitution by obviously partisan justices, for obviously partisan purposes. There's a lot at stake here, and if they're successful, it will be the clearest signal yet that America is losing its place as a world power, and losing its strength as a democratic republic.