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British Election thread 2019

Who are you rooting for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 11 22.4%
  • Labour

    Votes: 24 49.0%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • Brexit

    Votes: 2 4.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 2 4.1%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greens

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Sinn Fein (or other Irish Republican)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DUP (or other Ulster unionist)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Other / change UK

    Votes: 4 8.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .

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Is Tommy Robinson racist? I don't know that I have seen that qualified. Don't know if I would share a beer with the guy but racism is a charge nobody has ever quite managed in anything like recent times.
Don't know who the other one is. Quick search says random newspaper commentator type.

Also why would people backing them matter? Though if they do then is John Major someone to look up to? His history as far as the party is not great (the labour landslide that ended him was said to follow a rather out of touch series of policies even at the time). Heseltine not backing him is an interesting one though, and not one I would have put money on seeing back when he was rising up.
 

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What? Their end game has certainly not always been no deal. ERG perhaps, but Theresa May very obviously tried for years for a deal.
Considering the Tories voted against every deal she could possibly come up with, it felt like May was brought in solely to obfuscate their true intentions. Johnson was seemingly the man behind the curtain the entire time, and from my perspective it's always been clear his objective was forcing a no-deal Brexit. I'm sure he and several others within the upper echelons of UK's Conservatives stand to profit from that outcome.
 
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Ouch. All that's left now is to wonder if the impending recession spurred on by a no-deal Brexit will be limited to the UK, or if it'll cause a domino effect for other nations too.
Global recession happens about every 10 years

We are due - last one was 2009
 
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Global recession happens about every 10 years
You're right, but that hasn't always been the case. It's a relatively recent trend that has a lot to do with the hundreds of billions of dollars which get sucked out of the economy annually and then just sit stagnant in tax havens. As I said before, there are a lot of people who stand to gain a lot of money from a no-deal Brexit. None of whom are common folk, of course.
 
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You're right, but that hasn't always been the case. It's a relatively recent trend that has a lot to do with the hundreds of billions of dollars which get sucked out of the economy annually and then just sit stagnant in tax havens. As I said before, there are a lot of people who stand to gain a lot of money from a no-deal Brexit. None of whom are common folk, of course.
Right right

Man, imagine the election in 5 years when the UK is England + Wales. At this rate the Tories are set to rule another century.
 

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Right right

Man, imagine the election in 5 years when the UK is England + Wales. At this rate the Tories are set to rule another century.
Maybe, assuming the workers of the world haven't been pushed to the point of violent revolution by then. :P

Things are about to get really rough in the UK, and I'd recommend anyone who is reliant on NHS for survival set up a gofundme page now to get ahead of the curve. American-style healthcare is coming.
 
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At the end Brexit will not exist. Perhaps a simulation of a Brexit but not a Brexit.

People who rules the world don't like Brexit.
It doesn't matter who you will vote.
 
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People who rules the world don't like Brexit.
I really wish that was true. The people who rule the world are narcissistic, sociopathic, greedy, self-important, egomaniacal nationalists. They will stop at nothing to hold on to power and wealth. That means keeping the population poor and uneducated because it is not in their interests for the population to become enlightened. Brexit will happen, and it will be ugly. Our economy will suffer, and our public services will deteriorate. That means poorer health and education across the nation (with the exception of those who are already wealthy enough that they don't need the public services anyway). The elites will retain their power over the population and they will not care even a little bit at the cost to the majority or the disgusting nationalist agenda that they are perpetuating. This degradation will continue until we are so desperate that we will sell our public services to anybody willing to take on such a risky investment. Which means somebody who has enough capital to lose if it falls apart. In other words, america or china. The uk is over. Scotland know it, which is why they are already (before the polls have even closed) talking about a second referendum on independence from the uk. Northern ireland will be next, because they want to remain in the EU. And Wales will jump ship when they realise that england cannot provide for them any more. Like everything, we will fall apart and be sold off piece by piece. Time to emigrate.

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That's exactly democracy
It fucking isn't. Democracy means delegation of power to the people. And if you predicate your manifesto on lies and propaganda then this is giving the illusion of control, which is fundamentally disempowering. It is a perversion of what democracy is supposed to be.

There are different positions. People propagate different policies
Telling the population you will do something and then doing something entirely different is neither a position nor a policy. It is simply deception.

and yes, sometimes deceive
And this should be treated as election fraud. Lying in propagandic electioneering in order to gain power over a population and then reneging on your pledges should be treated just the same as if a member of the public coerces a vote from other members of the public. Did you know that that behaviour is illegal? I cannot walk in to a polling station and tell other people "If you vote for party x, terribly outcome y will happen! You should vote for party z instead!" THIS IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. And so should it be if political bodies do it.

That's what's happening in every democratic vote!
Well obviously it is happening, but that doesn't make it right and sure as fucking shit doesn't make it democracy.

In many cases though, it is not deception but the fact that nobody can tell what the future (or any given policy) will bring.
If you really believe that then you are ignorant. We have already found that a large proportion of the election propaganda put out during this most recent UK election was false. Lies. Propaganda. Manipulation. It was not "oops, we thought we'd have the money for this but we had to spend it on that so now we can't". It was telling people lies to garner their votes.

Wake the fuck up. The conspiracy is real, and we are all the victims. There is no way out now except revolution.
 

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I really wish that was true. The people who rule the world are narcissistic, sociopathic, greedy, self-important, egomaniacal nationalists. They will stop at nothing to hold on to power and wealth. That means keeping the population poor and uneducated because it is not in their interests for the population to become enlightened. Brexit will happen, and it will be ugly. Our economy will suffer, and our public services will deteriorate. That means poorer health and education across the nation (with the exception of those who are already wealthy enough that they don't need the public services anyway). The elites will retain their power over the population and they will not care even a little bit at the cost to the majority or the disgusting nationalist agenda that they are perpetuating. This degradation will continue until we are so desperate that we will sell our public services to anybody willing to take on such a risky investment. Which means somebody who has enough capital to lose if it falls apart. In other words, america or china. The uk is over. Scotland know it, which is why they are already (before the polls have even closed) talking about a second referendum on independence from the uk. Northern ireland will be next, because they want to remain in the EU. And Wales will jump ship when they realise that england cannot provide for them any more. Like everything, we will fall apart and be sold off piece by piece. Time to emigrate.

Sorry for my engrish.
People who rule the world are not nationalist because they want to rule the world. They need structures like UE.
Less independent countries implies less people to buy, etc...
Different peoples, cultures are a wall to their power. Because they need to adapt to them in some way.
Fronteirs and walls make this difficult to them.
 
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Labour deserve the kicking they will get this morning.

they said they would honour the result of the referendum and then tried to BS people with their second referendum of remain or remain deal.

spend, spend and spend, £100 Billion+ and it will take every tax payer and another Tory government to pay the debts off after Labour get kicked out again and leave another note like the one below.

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£68bn for the WASPI women because Labour think morally they should pay them even thou a court went against the women. they've known since 1995 that there would be changes. most of these women could have stayed on in their jobs they didn't have to retire.
 

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