Oof...for a lot of Trump supporters I'd think that giving money to Latinos in LA would be as much of a sin as giving money to a Mexican company. Not that most care about the "authenticity" of their MAGA merch anyway, especially if they can find a cheaper alternative.
No evidence or basis in fact - I'll add that to the growing pile of Fake News. People can spend their money however they please - Trump is spending it supporting a small company that employs minority workers and makes excellent merch, far superior to the Chinese knock-offs which you can spot from a mile away.
It's absolutely a fact that you can readily find MAGA merch which has 'made in China' or 'made in Mexico' tags attached, and it's absolutely a fact that Wal-Mart saw little to no decline in business despite the implementation of tariffs on Chinese goods. Conservatives being cheapskates to an extreme degree is more of an anecdotal observation, though it's not exactly a stretch considering how their views on taxation have caused infrastructure and public facilities in states that consistently vote Republican to fall into utter disrepair.
I guess I must've hit a nerve. It's not as if there was no basis for my statement however, morvoran must have created at least three or four separate threads by now about his disdain for San Fransisco/Los Angeles on this same subforum. I certainly didn't see you or other conservatives here pushing back against that line of thought, either.
your statement is factual. However....
If that's the case, I appreciate your attempts at objectivity. At the same time, however, if your flag is accurate, I wouldn't expect you to have your finger on the pulse of American conservative sentiment. Morvoran's opinions are not far removed from the mainstream unfortunately. California as a whole is absolutely despised by right-wingers for a myriad of reasons. Granted, most of those reasons are nonsensical, but good luck convincing them of that.
You can find just about any merch with a Made in China label attached to it, the country has always been involved in exporting counterfeit goods, I don't see the problem. All that fuss because I pointed out a factual inaccuracy in a poor attempt at a joke - sound like you're mildly upset, "triggered", if you will.
I'm not implying anything at all, I'm simply pointing out that Trump does have Latino supporters and other conservatives are well-aware of them since they're very visible at rallies. The same can be said about black Trump supporters, LGBT Trump supporters and supporters from other marginalised groups commonly associated with the Democrats. The suggestion was made that if Trump supporters knew their hats were made by Latinos, they would have a problem with that - they don't, saying otherwise is just projecting.
To be fair a poll would need to be done of his voting base to see how many are aware of this fact. However, unlike other folks i dont generalize large groups of people. Data is king though. numbers would be interesting even if for educational purposes.
Rather you countered my anecdotal observations with some of your own, neither of us can provide exact figures on how much 'made in the USA' MAGA merch has been sold versus how much of it made elsewhere has been sold.
The company that makes them made over $270,000 in just one quarter of 2015, just from the hats alone, it's a fairly good fact-based indication that they sell well. It's also worth noting that a lot of supporters own multiple hats - some originals to support the campaign and some counterfeit ones to wear. This trend came to be due to the ridiculous problem of hat-stealing and hat-destroying they're faced with - some hats are for keeps, others are disposable. The free market provides either way.
I don't think it's a particularly interesting subject, you will find bigotry in any large subset of people, that's not indicative of the campaign's goals or the candidate's platform.
perhaps, however I was merely pointing out what would be needed to prove (or disprove) your assertion.
To the contrary, I don't have to prove anything at all - I can make an educated assumption based on known facts. Known fact number one is that Trump supporters go to rallies, fact number two is that they have eyeballs. If you're going to tell me that they can't see that they're surrounded by people of varied racial backgrounds and creeds, you're going to have a tough time convincing me, or anybody else. Even assuming that they don't ever show up to a rally or event, they at least watch the rallies, or read about them, or hear about them on the news or from third-hand sources - they do not live in an isolated lab environment. The idea that you have to prove facts that are demonstrably true and easily observable is fallacious. I don't have to prove that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west - it is a fact provable by casual observation. If you want to prove that to be false, the burden of proof lays upon you to support your theory.perhaps, however I was merely pointing out what would be needed to prove (or disprove) your assertion.
anything other than that is Anecdotal at best. After all, Data is king
an educated guess is a hypothesis. hardly a fact. In sciene data is used to see if the hypothesis holds up. I really dont care to convince you either. I have never seen you soften your position on any topic of discussion in the politics section. That tells me that perhaps its just merely easier to take a look at your method of taking in information and dissecting it from there. Like i said present data, otherwise you are just wielding around an opinion in a rather ineffective manner.
Once again, you are requesting data in order to prove a demonstrably true statement - Trump supporters are well-aware of the fact that the President has Hispanic supporters because they can see them. Claiming otherwise is absurd and a textbook logical fallacy - you are dismissing what can be plainly observed in favour of self-reported surveys. Since your contention is, as I've mentioned, absurd, I cannot find data on "what percentage of Trump supporters are self-proclaimed racists", but on the bright side, I also couldn't find data on how many beat their wives, so there's that too.
I didn't make an assertion, I made an observation. I said that Latino supporters are visible at rallies and provided a photo to demonstrate that fact, and it is a fact - they are undeniably visible. The level of awareness within the base as expressed by a percentage doesn't concern me or interest me - I can only assume that this percentage is high since most people are not legally blind.
We're mixing up two different issues here, are we talking about the rally picture or are we talking about the hats? I very much doubt that they would have a problem with it considering the fact that they use products Made in China every single day, just like everybody else, and don't seem to have a problem with that either. However, if you meant the latter and not the former then that's my bad.
why are you assuming that i am calling them racists. Lazy and dismissive towards me, no?
Thats interesting and for the sake of education i will read it. Thanks!
There is a general consensus among the opposition that Trump supporters want to build a big wall and throw everyone who's non-white over it, which is of course a caricature. I'm not saying that you necessarily subscribe to this belief, I'm merely stating that it exists and is prevalent. I was responding in reference to the rally photo, I wasn't sure if we were still talking about the hats at all, or just the general acceptance of Latino people among the base, which was the actual broader stroke of the conversation brought up by @Xzi earlier. Frankly, I don't really care if they know how the sausage is made, I find it unimportant in the grand scheme of things, the theme of the discussion was race. I hope that clears up the confusion, on both ends.
I seem to have lost you at some point during our exchange, so I'll explain the train of thought just so that we're clear.
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