Donald Trump impeachment investigation over Ukranian phone call...

[Ev1l0rd]

Now the question is, was the pollster incompetent in over-representing Democrats in the sample, or knowingly pushing fake news?

I mean, if you look at their response, they say that they got 48% in responses from Democrats. There's no mention about how many independents or Republicans.

Usually as long as the sample size is big enough, you can still draw conclusions.

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Also where did that article get it's representation statistics from?

 

[Hanafuda]

I ignored fox polls for years for being too conservative based .

Me too @Taleweaver. I’m somewhat conservative politically, but I’m not blind. I’ve never been a foxnews fan, for the same reason I don’t swallow cnn’s or msnbc’s “truth” either.

Also where did that article get it's representation statistics from?

Gallup.

 

[Hanafuda]

So to make it even more interesting, the "Braun" in Braun Research, the firm that conducted the poll for Fox, is Amanda Danielle Braun, who was regional organizing director in Reading, PA, for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign. She is also the training director and deputy organizing director for the "For Our Future" super PAC which supports progressive issues and candidates.

 

[SG854]

Still not following the News on this so still have no Idea whats going on.

Interesting questions. Here are some more :

Since fox published these polls, won't that make them the ones pushing fake news and /or being incompetent?

Fox News - both

People take these news sites too seriously. Oh no our way of life is over. Look at the evils they are doing oh my god. Facts Science Science Facts. Look at this poll. Its science bitches. Polls say this Polls say that blah blah blah. That's not real science, that is real science, do you know how to History bro. Always something skewed someone messing with something, taking numbers in a way that'll fit their agenda with these news station. Always the always.


Looks Like my I met a Liberal Thread got removed for being inflammatory, lol. It was suppose to make fun of Conservatives Caricature of Liberals. Its all the caricatures combined in one post to show the ridiculousness of it. I even praised Fox News in it, lol. "Fox News was right, all my suspicions of Liberals was true" "Liberals don't poop in toilets like normal people, just look at California" "I am a simply conservative man cleaning Liberal Poo and drinking liberal tears" A nod to a certain user here. All I did was copy and paste certain users and threads here, it would sound like it came straight from them.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

Looks Like my I met a Liberal Thread got removed for being inflammatory, lol. It was suppose to make fun of Conservatives Caricature of Liberals. Its all the caricatures combined in one post to show the ridiculousness of it. I even praised Fox News in it, lol. "Fox News was right, all my suspicions of Liberals was true" "Liberals don't poop in toilets like normal people, just look at California" "I am a simply conservative man cleaning Liberal Poo and drinking liberal tears" A nod to a certain user here. All I did was copy and paste certain users and threads here, it would sound like it came straight from them.

Sounds like it belonged more on the EoF lmao.

 

[Taleweaver]

@Hanafuda : hmm... It's certainly interesting, but I'm not sure. I tried googling a bit, and only found blog posts like this one telling this story. Did fox even bother to react to what some see as a controversy. I mean, Christ...51% is actually pretty low, given that Trump now openly boasts about his crimes. Wanna bet that within a week he'll try to convince the world this whole thing is Giuliani's idea?

People take these news sites too seriously.

Did you read the part where both @Hanafuda and me stated we took (fox) polls with a grain of salt? If you want to mock someone, you might want to exaggerate what they say, not invent things and attribute that to someone else.

 

[chrisrlink]

i'm just waiting for either 2020 (if he loses) or 2024 (he cant get a 3rd term anyways unless the republicans are so damn corrupt they admend our constitution lifting the 2 year limit) and then him getting carted off to fed pen that fat fuck need to be in prison this is why i sorta disagree on impeachment cause the dems just showed their hand they should've waited til after 2020 elections because they won't have any ammo to persecute trump when he's out

 

[seany1990]

i'm just waiting for either 2020 (if he loses) or 2024 (he cant get a 3rd term anyways unless the republicans are so damn corrupt they admend our constitution lifting the 2 year limit) and then him getting carted off to fed pen that fat fuck need to be in prison this is why i sorta disagree on impeachment cause the dems just showed their hand they should've waited til after 2020 elections because they won't have any ammo to persecute trump when he's out

The ceiling for convincing Trump supporters that the sky is orange is actually quite low but if you opened up an impeachment inquiry after the election, you actually can make a convincing argument (that more than just his sub 50 iq base can possibly believe) that there is a witch hunt against him.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

but if you opened up an impeachment inquiry after the election

iirc there were two inquiries shortly after the election but they had no backing so weren't followed through on.

 

[billapong]

So how's the impeachment vote going? What's that? No vote yet? Well, yeah, it's the 2019 Congress, so actually doing something would be required and we all know how good they are at doing anything. I guess if the Democrats hadn't of based their attempt on what someone heard someone else talking about that was related to something the second party overheard ... ROFL.

Edit: I guess Pelosi has decided not to take up the vote (news as of 10/15/2019 around 6pm MST). Surprisingly, she discovered she shouldn't build her house on sand.

 

[chrisrlink]

you and morivan are probably

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the low percent that support trump anymore oh btw are you gonna join civil war 2 billapong whoeveors stupid enough to rebel deserve death better it be by an armed gi then the needle i'm personally waiting for you trump supporters to get the darwin award for being stupid to rebel

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as i said kid gloves are off now so your going to REALLY KNOW what i think

 

[billapong]

you and morivan are probably

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the low percent that support trump anymore oh btw are you gonna join civil war 2 billapong whoeveors stupid enough to rebel deserve death better it be by an armed gi then the needle i'm personally waiting for you trump supporters to get the darwin award for being stupid to rebel

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as i said kid gloves are off now so your going to REALLY KNOW what i think

I'd gladly join a civil war, but there wouldn't be much of a chance for the minority Liberal cities against the rest of the States, especially considering Liberals are against owning firearms. If it comes down to it I'll take up arms and defend the USA and its Constitution. I'm not scared to die, are you? (Not that I want an answer, your trolling attempts have landed you on ignore).

 

[Taleweaver]

as i said kid gloves are off now so your going to REALLY KNOW what i think

Yeah... And thus far its not exactly helping. Granted, those guys aren't debating fair (which is the reason I'm ignoring them, BTW), but you're not exactly behaving better.

This is a legal struggle. Leave the 'fighting' to the lawyers and politicians (and to a degree to the media). Either side can protest, but making threats against the other isn't going to solve anything (hint : no matter the outcome, there still will be both democrats and Republicans in the USA).
... I'm fairly sure it's against forum rules as well, so if for no other reason than that, you might want to keep it civil.

 

[Xzi]

Edit: I guess Pelosi has decided not to take up the vote (news as of 10/15/2019 around 6pm MST). Surprisingly, she discovered she shouldn't build her house on sand.

No vote is required by the constitution to begin (or continue) an official impeachment investigation/inquiry. Pelosi and the other Dems aren't stupid enough to get caught up in Trump's little games. Momentum is in their favor, and it's essentially a foregone conclusion that Trump will continue to find new ways to fuck things up every day that he remains president.

I do wish that Democrats would push harder to highlight Trump's recent foreign policy failures as a primary reason why impeachment is a necessity, but I'm sure it'll be among the hundreds of articles drafted once the House is ready to move on a comprehensive vote.

 

[billapong]

No vote is required by the constitution to begin (or continue) an official impeachment investigation/inquiry. Pelosi and the other Dems aren't stupid enough to get caught up in Trump's little games. Momentum is in their favor, and it's essentially a foregone conclusion that Trump will continue to find new ways to fuck things up every day that he remains president.

I do wish that Democrats would push harder to highlight Trump's recent foreign policy failures as a primary reason why impeachment is a necessity, but I'm sure it'll be among the hundreds of articles drafted once the House is ready to move on a comprehensive vote.

No, but to actually impeach there's a vote required. Seeings as Pelosi isn't going to call for a vote I think the impeachment effort has ended.

 

[Xzi]

No, but to actually impeach there's a vote required. Seeings as Pelosi isn't going to call for a vote I think the impeachment effort has ended.

There's no question at this point that the House is going to impeach. Only one or two Democratic congress members are against the idea. Equally, there's no question that that the Senate will not vote to convict, as the turtle man is just as much in Russia's pocket as Trump (if not more so). Thus the reason there's no hurry to hand it over to the Senate, they might as well make the case as airtight as possible first to put a stain on the voting record of those purple state Republicans who refuse to grow a spine.

 

[gamefan5]

Wait wait wait...
So the impeachment process has actually started? I thought it was merely words from tbe media being thrown around as usual.

(I don't live in the USA, so I do not know the details.)

 

[RationalityIsLost101]

No, but to actually impeach there's a vote required. Seeings as Pelosi isn't going to call for a vote I think the impeachment effort has ended.

I believe it's painfully obvious that a vote is being held until there is enough information for more republicans in the house to defect so that the house can present impeachment as bipartisan and isn't a movement split on party lines. The pressure to vote weeks ago that is still ongoing is because of republicans that want to cast their vote before additional information comes out of the Trump administration so that they can feign ignorance to if it came to light if anyone ever tried to hold them accountable for their vote in the 2020 or 2022 elections. Same goes for the desire to pressure the senators to best ensure chance of conviction.

This is a political decision. If public support continues to grow more republicans will look and respond accordingly. If it drops then they will continue supporting the administration. Anyone who seeks to use this situation in isolation to determine whether or not they agree/disagree with the validity of the impeachment inquiry is intellectually dishonest.

There has been enough information released to warrant a continuation of inquiry as there are many unanswered questions in regards to alleged abuse of power and potential extortion of a foreign ally.

My personal prediction: Trump will be impeached. There will be 20-40 house republicans that will support (I firmly believe the number will not exceed 70 under any circumstance). I also expect Trump to not be convicted by a close margin of 1-3 senators who will present the same manner of reasoning as Edmund G. Ross. Publicly being the refusal to tarnish our nation by suffering a presidential conviction and removal. Privately being the promise of favors from those who wish to retain the status quo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson for those who aren't familiar with our nation's first impeachment.

EDIT: Grammatical Errors

 

[Xzi]

Wait wait wait...
So the impeachment process has actually started? I thought it was merely words from tbe media being thrown around as usual.

(I don't live in the USA, so I do not know the details.)

Yes, technically all it was waiting on was Pelosi's go-ahead since she carries with her all the necessary votes. She gave that in response to the Ukraine whistleblower, around the time this thread was started. The House will hold a vote by the end of the year which is near guaranteed to pass, then it gets sent to the Senate where McConnell will delay the trial itself for who knows how long.

 

[chrisrlink]

considering election is next month I'm sure pelosi is waiting for janurary 11th to come in hope people will wake the hell up and vote blue to impeach this motherfucker