This has already been discussed. Please refer to my previous post that I quote below for your convenience. If you want to debate from there we can but I'm at a loss how this needs further explanation.
You can discuss it ten ways to Sunday, it doesn't change the fact that Biden isn't running against Trump right now for anything. If he is the winner of the Democratic primaries then he will be Trump's opponent in the 2020 Presidential Elections. As of his now he's not Trump's opponent so the allegations that Trump was going to use any evidence he uncovered against a political opponent wouldn't apply in this situation.
Hell, the call never implies that Trump was going to use any information found against Biden in an election. So even if Biden was Trump's opponent it wouldn't apply. Furthermore, both Trump and the Ukrainian President are saying there was no pressure and that there was no aid being held due to Biden. I'll take the word over two Presidents than someone that overheard some people talking about the situation. So you have the 3rd party interpretation of the 2nd party who has their own interpretation about the events when the actual people involved have their own views and those two people are the only two that matter.
So it's a crock of shit. Plus, Biden wasn't even Trump's main target. His administration has been investigating the corrupt people who accused him of collusion. The motivation behind the call was that investigation. Throwing one of their own to the wolves is pretty common for Liberals to do so it makes sense that they would use Biden and taint their own election and interfere themselves to try to shift the public's attention away from the fact that Trump's legal team is getting close to nailing the sons of bitches to the wall that tried to tie him to any collusion.
Right now Biden is just someone that did something.
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Yeah, I've tried to explain to
@Xzi that polls are never correct, but he just doesn't get it(like most liberals). Liberals use every little bit of info they can to prove their points even if the data is incomplete or just wrong. Maybe you can get through, but I know I never could. He'll still use polls to back up nonsense points.
Seems Xzi is never wrong and if you bring up direct evidence to the contrary he ignores it and mentions something complete unrelated to what you said. We all know Liberals are dishonest. They don't deny it. Hey, as long as they're really nice to you and don't hurt your feelings it's totally okay to kill babies or take your money and give it to criminals while your own fellow citizens starve to death, are being raped, drugged and murdered.
I mean, they're so nice. Why would anyone actually do anything against such kind and gentle beings. Meh, you can't trust liars, especially when they don't even try to hide the fact that they're dishonest. Anyway, it's in It seems to be in Xzi's nature to never admit he's wrong. It's all good to be intolerant and hate on Trump, but the sames rules don't apply to us.
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Wasn't it the verifiable fact that they tried to hide it, the most damning part?
Nothing says guilt more than someone who behaves like they are guilty.
What hiding? Do you mean keeping transcripts of conversations between the world leaders on a secure server? Okay, well, if that's the case what's your email password? What's your password on this forum? Clearly, we don't need any sort of security in our lives. What's your bank account PIN code? Keeping information protected, especially from people in your own office that would spy on you is sorta fucking common sense. He should be keeping stuff that's need to know between the people that only need to know. At least he didn't run Bleachbit on the private server before he physically destroyed it (hmmm, I wonder who did that). He handed over the transcript and the transcript shows jack shit.
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This is about Trump not Clinton. Or are we in agreement that Trump was seeking assistance from a foreign national involving an aspiring political rival in an upcoming election?.
No, we're not in agreement. However, it would be appropriate to point out that precedent has been set by not prosecuting people in your own party who have committed similar or worse crimes, when Trump didn't even commit any. If he did, according to your own house rules, then it wouldn't be appropriate to proceed.
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Seems Trump has run out of ideas on how to defend against the allegations being thrown his way, so he's circled back around to doubling down by
publicly calling for China and Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. Apparently he thinks it's impossible to commit a crime in plain sight. I also find it amusing that, in the midst of a trade war, he thinks China would grant a request from him. I don't think
this tweet was quite enough on its own to put him back in their good graces.
Biden isn't Trumps political opponent so he's not committing any crimes. I think I should turn that into a bedtime song so tonight when your mommy tugs you in tight it might resonate.
"Trade War" aka Liberals let's hate on Trump spin on simple trade renegotiation.