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The Trump administration has not offered any viable way to curb homelessness in California or anywhere else. I saw your thread. It wasn't worth responding to too much.
Hes a troll. I wouldnt even respond to him. Anyone with even an ounce of brain knows that Trump is a corrupt idiot, and anyone who supports him is literally a dumbass. I mean that as a literal statement, not as an insult.
 
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Hes a troll. I wouldnt even respond to him. Anyone with even an ounce of brain knows that Trump is a corrupt idiot, and anyone who supports him is literally a dumbass. I mean that as a literal statement, not as an insult.
You can make a point without insulting people based on their opinions.
 
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You can make a point without insulting people based on their opinions.
I thoroughly believe there's a point in which one can make statements, which sound as though they could be insults, when something is just so ridiculous. I have stated, however, that it is NOT an insult which I have written, it is a factual statement. So don't confuse the two, I was saying what I had as fact, not insult. And it was justified, given the topic at hand. There comes a time in which it becomes "obvious" that one is right, and if one believes it's an "equal opinion vs equal opinion", then they're really not smart. That's a fact. This is one of those cases. So what I said was fine.
 

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We can't expect business owners to invest into their business to hire more employees and give them raises when they are being taxed to death by the dems.
"The problem is that we're only LICKING the boot. If we'd just try DEEP-THROATING the boot, things would be different!"

Corporations will only ever hire the bare minimum number of people they need to keep things running smoothly. And they'll only ever pay the bare minimum that the market/law requires. They aren't benevolent entities which will solve problems that they aren't obligated to. They couldn't possibly care less even if their own employees are homeless or living out of their cars.
 
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I thoroughly believe there's a point in which one can make statements, which sound as though they could be insults, when something is just so ridiculous. I have stated, however, that it is NOT an insult which I have written, it is a factual statement. So don't confuse the two, I was saying what I had as fact, not insult. And it was justified, given the topic at hand. There comes a time in which it becomes "obvious" that one is right, and if one believes it's an "equal opinion vs equal opinion", then they're really not smart. That's a fact. This is one of those cases. So what I said was fine.
What you said is not factual at all. Sorry.
I don't have much of an opinion on Trump but just because someone supports him doesn't mean they are a dumbass. It's immature to even say such a thing.
 

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What you said is not factual at all. Sorry.
I don't have much of an opinion on Trump but just because someone supports him doesn't mean they are a dumbass. It's immature to even say such a thing.
Oh, it 100% means that if one supports him, they're not smart. They are ignoring facts for bias, and that's a PROVEN FACT. It's the same as saying that "mountains are made of hot chocolate and unicorn blood". If you believe this, you're not smart, and you're ignoring facts. It's the exact same thing as this. It's not based on opinion, it's literal fact. And if you believe in what that orange muffin is saying, then you're not very smart. There's literally no way around that. Sorry, but you're wrong. What I said was not an "insult", it was a justified fact.
 

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Oh, it 100% means that if one supports him, they're not smart. They are ignoring facts for bias, and that's a PROVEN FACT. It's the same as saying that "mountains are made of hot chocolate and unicorn blood". If you believe this, you're not smart, and you're ignoring facts. It's the exact same thing as this. It's not based on opinion, it's literal fact. And if you believe in what that orange muffin is saying, then you're not very smart. There's literally no way around that. Sorry, but you're wrong. What I said was not an "insult", it was a justified fact.
Incorrect.
You can say whatever you want to make yourself feel better. As I have stated before you have said nothing factual and have shown no statistical data to prove your point. Stop.
 
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Incorrect.
You can say whatever you want to make yourself feel better. As I have stated before you have said nothing factual and have shown no statistical data to prove your point. Stop.
So you're saying you have belief in what the orange man says? If you think he's being honest, then you're not smart. That's the point I'm making. It's not an insult, it's a FACT. If you're trying to justify your trust in him, then your trust is misplaced, and your'e not very smart to put trust in that guy. Sorry, but that just means you're not the brightest bulb in the shed. Again. Not an insult, it's a fact. Any rational person who's of average intelligence knows that he's an idiot and lies all the time, and is an untrustworhty con artist and manipulative criminal. And if you think otherwise, your'e not smart. Sorry.
 

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So you're saying you have belief in what the orange man says? If you think he's being honest, then you're not smart. That's the point I'm making. It's not an insult, it's a FACT. If you're trying to justify your trust in him, then your trust is misplaced, and your'e not very smart to put trust in that guy. Sorry, but that just means you're not the brightest bulb in the shed. Again. Not an insult, it's a fact. Any rational person who's of average intelligence knows that he's an idiot and lies all the time, and is an untrustworhty con artist and manipulative criminal. And if you think otherwise, your'e not smart. Sorry.
I never said that I have trust for him at all and you shouldn't make such broad assumptions. All I am saying is that just because someone may support him doesn't mean they are a dumbass.
We can agree to disagree.
 
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I never said that I have trust for him at all and you shouldn't make such broad assumptions. All I am saying is that just because someone may support him doesn't mean they are a dumbass.
We can agree to disagree.
Actually, it does. There's a DIRECT correlation between having a low intellect and being a Trump supporter.
 
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you have to do away the liberal establishment. duh!
we all need to wear suits and and become christians because we are not degenerates. Then we all root for good ole fashioned deregulation. I as a minority need to learn my place while de-regulation and little oversight does away with any chance i may have at a better future. oh well atleast, we all have bald eagles perched on our shoulders. :D
it will solve everything. Those who question otherwise are entitled crybabies.

By the way seriously talking though the bitter pill to swallow:
Housing market needs to devalue to solve this issue. Everyone likes their houses to be worth "theoretically hundreds of thousands of dollars" but then cry when markets bust and they go to what they should probably cost. good times.
Build more Homes. That's a way to devalue Housing prices. Which means deregulation so that people can be allowed to build more homes.
Rich people are using land restriction laws to their advantage to create artificial scarcity. They buy homes for cheap then put in place land restriction laws to raise the price of their homes. This creates an all exclusive community where only wealthy people can live there and it keeps minorities that can't afford them out, then when its time to sell they can sell it a much higher value then when they bought it.

So people have a choice, preserve land which then raises housing prices, or be allowed to build more houses on that land and prices will come down. Most of what people are paying is basically the land that their houses are on. Population is getting bigger and we need to build more homes, not preserve land for environmentalism and have people fight over limited homes trying to outbid each other.
 
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Population is getting bigger and we need to build more homes, not preserve land for environmentalism and have people fight over limited homes trying to outbid each other.
This is not an issue of environmentalism, there's plenty of flat land with nothing but dead grass/weeds across much of the Midwest. It's not like we need to pave over national parks land to house the homeless, we just need to be willing to invest the required federal funding.
 

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This is not an issue of environmentalism, there's plenty of flat land with nothing but dead grass/weeds across much of the Midwest. It's not like we need to pave over national parks land to house the homeless, we just need to be willing to invest the required federal funding.
Then they should be allowed to build on that. Land restriction is the reason housing prices go up. The solution is to be allowed to build more homes.
 
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First, if you're asking about "proof" for such an obvious statement, then again, your'e not very bright. Again, not an insult, just logic and common knowledge. It's not something you can "quanitfy", but if you actually take your time and research, you'd find the direct correlation.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=correlation+between+low+intellect+and+trump+supporter

Go ahead and see what you can find. If you believe it's the opposite, then it's clear you're not very intelligent.

For example, you look at many northern states (Where people tend to be more educated - again, more schooling, more industrialized environment in the north, where there's far more importance on schooling, which is a FACT), those states tend to hold a much higher priority on education, whereas, in the south, in America, less people study at university, less people go to university, less people are educated. Again, this isn't an "opinion", it's an actual fact, backed by studies, that northern states and the people from northern states, have a far higher affinity for knowledge and education - and those states tend to vote more-so, against Donald Trump. That alone should show the inclination of those educated, voting more against Trump, whereas, you find more southern states are dominated by republicans (many of which are gun nuts who use their bias, and lack of intellect to justify their support for Trump - again, not all, but there's certainly a trend).

I'd like you to actually do some research into the subject, so that you can actually understand from an intelligent and factual point of view, as opposed to a, "this is my bias, herp, so I'm closing my ears, shouting 'la la la'" stand-point. Thanks.
 

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Build more Homes. That's a way to devalue Housing prices. Which means deregulation so that people can be allowed to build more homes.
Rich people are using land restriction laws to their advantage to create artificial scarcity. They buy homes for cheap then put in place land restriction laws to raise the price of their homes. This creates an all exclusive community where only wealthy people can live there and it keeps minorities that can't afford them out, then when its time to sell they can sell it a much higher value then when they bought it.

So people have a choice, preserve land which then raises housing prices, or be allowed to build more houses on that land and prices will come down. Most of what people are paying is basically the land that their houses are on. Population is getting bigger and we need to build more homes, not preserve land for environmentalism and have people fight over limited homes trying to outbid each other.
The best way to reduce homelessness is to give them homes, and where it has been done, house values don't go down. Give the homeless apartments, help them to get jobs to keep the apartments, and homelessness goes down approximately 90%. At least, that's what happened when it was done.
 
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First, if you're asking about "proof" for such an obvious statement, then again, your'e not very bright. Again, not an insult, just logic and common knowledge. It's not something you can "quanitfy", but if you actually take your time and research, you'd find the direct correlation.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=correlation+between+low+intellect+and+trump+supporter

Go ahead and see what you can find. If you believe it's the opposite, then it's clear you're not very intelligent.

For example, you look at many northern states (Where people tend to be more educated - again, more schooling, more industrialized environment in the north, where there's far more importance on schooling, which is a FACT), those states tend to hold a much higher priority on education, whereas, in the south, in America, less people study at university, less people go to university, less people are educated. Again, this isn't an "opinion", it's an actual fact, backed by studies, that northern states and the people from northern states, have a far higher affinity for knowledge and education - and those states tend to vote more-so, against Donald Trump. That alone should show the inclination of those educated, voting more against Trump, whereas, you find more southern states are dominated by republicans (many of which are gun nuts who use their bias, and lack of intellect to justify their support for Trump - again, not all, but there's certainly a trend).

I'd like you to actually do some research into the subject, so that you can actually understand from an intelligent and factual point of view, as opposed to a, "this is my bias, herp, so I'm closing my ears, shouting 'la la la'" stand-point. Thanks.
Thanks for proving nothing again. I appreciate it.
You're still incorrect.
 

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The best way to reduce homelessness is to give them homes, and where it has been done, house values don't go down. Give the homeless apartments, help them to get jobs to keep the apartments, and homelessness goes down approximately 90%. At least, that's what happened when it was done.
And giving them homes will be expensive on the government which means expensive on us the tax payers if those house prices don't go down.
 
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Then they should be allowed to build on that. Land restriction is the reason housing prices go up. The solution is to be allowed to build more homes.
Crony capitalism and foreign investment is the reason housing prices go up. There are already more empty houses owned by banks than there are homeless people in this country. The issue isn't solely one of needing more homes, but needing AFFORDABLE homes and homes for people who can't work at all.

Crony capitalism caused this problem, so it's the people who profited most from that system of exploitation and corruption who should pay for the solution. That's exactly what Bernie Sanders has proposed.
 
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