Trump admin looks to fix homeless issues in California

[H1B1Esquire]

This is why we can't be friends.

I guess time will tell in time.

I'm with everyone--I've always been with everyone. There's a thread around that outlines how I was against the building of the border wall, but it also states my alternative, which would have way more benefits without hurting too much of the environment (just saw a video about light pollution, which I already knew, but after seeing the Bahamas filled with rotting corpses, I realize rotting bodies can pose a problem (PlZ, duh, but rotting insects are a problem most humans don't care to realize is a problem), but with my plan, there's a significant amount of alternative pollution and waste--I tried to account for every scenario and pollution is the biggest concern).


You are right--time will tell; remember, the street usually goes both ways.

 

[H1B1Esquire]

OH, that last reply to you was after huffing a can of paint mixed into a gallon of gas after guzzling two bottles of nyquil.

Well, no one told you to boof it, mai du--I know my profile picture mentions "anus pounder", but I am the pounder of the anus, versus, having my anus pounded; you can try again, bud. Plinko!

If you wish to ascend to my level, you'll first need to hop off from Tronald's spongy tip.

Next, you have to go beyond posting threads and actually helping others--once you share pain instead of creating it, you'll have reached a new level.

Finally, you'll need to take vitamins and eat healthy--copying Tronald's diet will end unfavorably for you, as eating McDonalds hamburders all day is a surefire way to die before we can realize your genius.

I'm a forgiving person, learn from me, rather than your failure of a "leader". My benevolence blankets cold, shriveled hearts and returns bags of oily flesh to human beings.


TL;DR
I'm working on it. I've seen the homeless crises in a lot of cities and watched documentaries from all over the world and because of that, I have a plan, but I definitely can't accomplish the goal alone. I'll wait for a worthy candidate...it's not anyone you might choose, for now.

 

[morvoran]

Update for all those members who are so eager to know what Trump's preliminary plans are and so hangry for the details:
This update is also available in the OP.

Update 1:
Trump pushing for major crackdown on homeless camps in California, with aides discussing moving residents to government-backed facilities
Source: The Washington Post via MSN

The planning has intensified in recent weeks. Administration officials have discussed using the federal government to get homeless people off the streets of Los Angeles and other cities and into new government-backed facilities, according to two officials briefed on the planning.

Trump’s directive is part of his broader effort in recent months to shine a light on problems in California and a number of major U.S. cities, including Baltimore and Chicago. He has complained about what he says are years of failed Democratic leadership that have led to sustained poverty and crime.

Top officials representing the White House and the Department of Housing and Urban Development arrived in California this week for a round of meetings. A particular focus has been the skid row section of Los Angeles, officials said. The president is directly involved with the initiative, officials said, and has asked for updates.

Among the ideas under consideration are razing existing tent camps for the homeless, creating new temporary facilities and refurbishing existing government facilities, two other officials said. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the planning hasn’t been publicly revealed. The changes would attempt to give the federal government a larger role in supervising housing and health care for residents.

The talks are fluid and concrete plans had not been reached.

Planning also involves officials from the Department of Health and Human Services. An administration official cited the need to act based on concerns about disease and sewage problems affecting the homeless.

A White House spokesman said Trump signed an executive order in June that pertained to affordable housing regulations, and that the administration is continuing to seek new solutions for homelessness. Trump’s executive order created a new White House council on eliminating “regulatory barriers” that White House officials believe increase the cost of building new housing. Developers have said these restrictions drive up prices on housing and limit the supply.

“Like many Americans, the president has taken notice of the homelessness crisis, particularly in cities and states where the liberal policies are combining to dramatically increase poverty and public health risks,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. “President Trump has directed his team to go further and develop a range of policy options for consideration to deal with this tragedy.”

Housing experts say homelessness in California has risen alongside housing and rental prices. That problem has been exacerbated by cuts to federal support for housing programs.

Trump previously hinted at potential unilateral federal action over homelessness, telling Fox News that he was “very seriously” considering acting on the issue.

“You take a look at what’s going on with San Francisco, it’s terrible. So we’re looking at it very seriously. We may intercede. We may do something to get that whole thing cleaned up. It’s inappropriate,” Trump told Tucker Carlson in July. “Now, we have to take the people and do something. We have to do something.”

Update 2:
Trump officials tour unused FAA facility in California in search for place to relocate homeless people
Source: The Washington Post via MSN

A team of Trump administration officials toured a California facility once used by the Federal Aviation Administration this week as they searched for a potential site to relocate homeless people, according to three government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private tour.

Trump is expected to visit California on Tuesday and Wednesday. One administration official with knowledge of Trump’s visit to California said there were discussions about an announcement related to California’s growing homeless problem next week, but a second official said that any decision could be premature and that it was not on the current schedule for the trip.

Some administration officials expressed skepticism that the federal government wanted to get in the business of operating a large homeless shelter in Los Angeles. There were also questions about the feasibility of turning the FAA facility into a shelter and how it could legally be done.

Senior administration officials said that forcing people into new facilities was not under consideration, with one official telling The Washington Post: “We’re not rounding people up or anything yet. You guys in the media get too ahead of yourselves.”

Well, I hope that satisfies all those complaining that the original OP story didn't cover enough of Trump's great plan to fix this issue the Democrats have been sitting on for year. You're welcome.

 

[Smoker1]

Here's a thought........ How about looking into WHY People are becoming Homeless?????!!!!!!!! I have a few thoughts of the reason why....

1: Vets, Disabled and Elderly - VA and Disability wait times. Also Retirement amount not being enough.
2: Rent Prices going out of control!!!!!!!!!

 

[morvoran]

Next, you have to go beyond posting threads and actually helping others--once you share pain instead of creating it, you'll have reached a new level.

Oh, I do a lot more to help the lower class people than Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsom, and most democrat leaders running cities with high numbers of homeless. Hint: they don't do anything but create more poverty.

I'm working on it. I've seen the homeless crises in a lot of cities and watched documentaries from all over the world and because of that, I have a plan,

I hope that plan involves finding them work, giving them goals and structure in their lives, and teach them how to manage money. You have to fix what's broken with the person, so they can fix themselves before you can help them any other way. Remember, give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

 

[SG854]

That's an assumption that isn't really seen when it's researched properly. I've seen loads of people pay for an over-priced apartment and completely destroy the apartment. Reasons can be varied and vast. Though there is a reason for what you're observing. When we look at affordable housing and other related programs, we find while it keeps people from being homeless, it doesn't really set them up for success.

To quickly cover a complex topic: under our current system, if you work harder to better your condition, which most everyone will want to do naturally as humans, your situation and income actually decline. To get affordable housing or any other assistance, your income generally has to be under a certain amount. And even then, it's pretty difficult to qualify and jump through all the hoops. Making over that amount and you get nothing. If you start making just over that amount, you are not making enough to get the same kind of (or any) place, or getting the same kind of quality of life. So why get a job and work hard at a part-time job when it's just going to make your life worse? Most people just get trapped and find it impossible to get out of the situation.

UBI would remove this problem, partly or completely, as any increase in work would add to your benefits. In other words, our current system traps people in a downward cycle, which can lead to depression, anxiety, apathy, etc. I mean, why try when it's just going to make life worse? Remove that hurdle and you're going to find most people will try harder to make money, contribute more, and have better outlook in life. This is what the research indicates. So it's more about understanding the whole picture rather than just seeing governmental support leading to apathy and assume any governmental support would have the same result. We Just need a better system. UBI may be it.

Not every place has a huge homeless problem. Its mostly areas with affordably housing that has a huge homeless problem. San Francisco is expensive, Palo Alto is a lot of money, the whole Bay Area is not cheap.


UBI is not the solution to the core problem which is unafforable houses. It's just a bandaid on a wound. People say housing is expensive because of greedy capitalism. And their solution to the expensive housing is more money in either higher wages and/or UBI. But why would you reward greedy capitalist land lords with more money? They can raise their rent and make business owners raise wages just to pay up for that greed, and reward bad landlords with more money in their pockets. But the solution is to go after landlords and not reward them with more money right? You don't want to support greedy practices right with more money?




So what makes Housing Affordable some places and not others? Studies you look at will point to land restriction laws creating artificial scarcity by crazy environmentalist nut jobs. Basically supply and demand. A growing population that tries to outbid each other, biding for the small amount of housing that's left over. Basically like bidding on Ebay for a rare item, but this rare item is housing. And its rare because of laws that prevent building more houses and what they call "preserving open space." So artificial scarcity thanks to laws, so item is rare and people trying to outbid each other, "I'll give you this much, no I'll give this much more," which raises prices because of people offering more for it, more for a rare item. And in turn creates a lot more homeless because housing becomes unaffordable. Try to have the government come in to fix a government created problem and create artificial low prices then what would appear in a supply and demand market for the sake of affordable housing, and the beneficiaries becomes wealthy people because it means they can buy a second house since now its cheaper so they snatch it up first.





So the United States so poor right. People in the U.S. poor, struggle, living pay check to pay check, don't have any motivation to work harder, have depression and anxiety. Also has a big gut sticking out. Since majority of obese and fat people are poor, we have a big obesity epidemic. Also with vehicles to drive, majority of people below the poverty line have transportation. They also have TV's, microwaves, and air conditioning. These luxury items even the rich didn't have 100 years ago and they survived with out them. None of which are not usually provided by government entitlement programs. Most Poor Americans also has a cell phone. I can imagine a poor person from a poor country watching on TV, if they are lucky enough to have access one, watching an American and thinking "what the hell is this well fed fatass with a cellphone complaining about being poor."

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Also with vehicles to drive, majority of people below the poverty line have transportation. They also have TV's, microwaves, and air conditioning. These luxury items even the rich didn't have 100 years ago and they survived with out them. None of which are not usually provided by government entitlement programs. Most Poor Americans also has a cell phone.

I can tell you that entire portion is a complete load of nonsense.

 

[yuyuyup]

Wow, and people accuse me of being a troll? How about you wait for my autobiography to come out. That will explain everything.
Maybe, once you move out of your grandma's basement (or attic?), you'll learn how the real world works.

You didn't answer ANY of the questions I asked, it aint ME who's the troll in this thread.

 

[H1B1Esquire]

I hope that plan involves finding them work, giving them goals and structure in their lives, and teach them how to manage money.

It's a multifaceted issue that needs individual attention on a person-to-person basis; people are complex and their problems, more so.

I actually spend a lot of time in random places all over the east coast. I have a lot of friends and some of my friends fall through the cracks and go through bad times--I had a friend who got addicted to opiates and ended up walking across America because he wanted to be killed by a random person.

He didn't get his death wish, but he did grow up and lives a sober life.
I'm not going to make a "Walk across America!" campaign, but it's the point that everyone is different: look at RPGs--not everyone wields a sword to fight demons.

 

[morvoran]

You didn't answer ANY of the questions I asked, it aint ME who's the troll in this thread.

Yes, I did. I told you to wait for my autobiography for the answers or maybe try getting out of your own and paying your own bills, then fall on hard times, get addicted to some substance, either drugs or alcohol, and have people just give you a couple of bucks to get you to move on. Then you will understand what I mean.
I can't give you all the answers as you won't listen, you have to learn the answers on your own. This is true with helping homeless people.

It's a multifaceted issue that needs individual attention on a person-to-person basis; people are complex and their problems, more so.

I don't think I implied or, at least, intended to say this was a cookie cutter solution to fix everybody. Of course, some homeless may have had a car break down, medical bill, etc that caused them to fall on hard times and made them homeless. Some homeless are mentally ill and incapable of taking care of themselves, severely addicted to a substance, or just want to live on the streets.
I was implying that everybody can be helped by giving them shelter, employment, and structure in their life. They need to be given a sense of what's right and wrong to know there will be consequences to their actions if they want to live a better life. A lot of people just blame others for their problems and think that giving them free stuff will fix their problems or that some unseen group of people put them in their position (think of Democrats and democrat policies).

In other words, just throwing money at the problem or moving the homeless around won't fix the problem. You need to help the person on the inside, not just the problems you see on their outside.

 

[J-Machine]

Me: Pastes the results of Canada's UBI test found on a website.
You: What a troll! I will give you my opinion because I live in Canada and act like it's a fact.
Every sensible person alive: Wait... what?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/basic-income-survey-1.4988689

 

[morvoran]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/basic-income-survey-1.4988689

How do the results from a survey of participants before receiving Ubi help your position on it helping people out of poverty?
The only thing I found in there with any relevance to the discussion was a line proving my point - "Premier Doug Ford said the pilot was too expensive, adding the best way out of poverty is "something called a job.""

 

[J-Machine]

How do the results from a survey of participants before receiving Ubi help your position on it helping people out of poverty?
The only thing I found in there with any relevance to the discussion was a line proving my point - "Premier Doug Ford said the pilot was too expensive, adding the best way out of poverty is "something called a job.""

I dunno maybe the point that they were getting out of poverty? that there is an actual court case against the ford government for scrapping this program that was being shown to be less expensive than the current welfair program if implemented province wide? Maybe that it's been shown that all these cuts went towards fancy things like buying fridges for a chain of grocery stores that had the money to afford it in the first place? Live here and maybe you'd understand why the ford government has done nothing but added more to our deficit in less than a year than our previous gov did in 4

 

[morvoran]

I dunno maybe the point that they were getting out of poverty? that there is an actual court case against the ford government for scrapping this program that was being shown to be less expensive than the current welfair program if implemented province wide? Maybe that it's been shown that all these cuts went towards fancy things like buying fridges for a chain of grocery stores that had the money to afford it in the first place? Live here and maybe you'd understand why the ford government has done nothing but added more to our deficit in less than a year than our previous gov did in 4

Um, maybe I wasn't clear on my last reply. The source you provided did not show any results or evidence related to the UBI trial being effective or not. My point still stands, regardless of where I live, as I provided a snippet from a source that was about the results from the trial.
It seems you're just trolling me, so I will not continue this discussion with you.

 

[J-Machine]

i mean you are arguing the opinion of a government being taken to court for several reasons against the "opinion" of the actual data accumulated during the pilot programs period of activity.

but yes. you are the troll. I actually wonder why the mods allow inflammatory responses like yours that are blatently used to get others to be riled up and respond in kind. I gave the data. i spoke from the view of someone who lives in that provence. anything further would be superfluous.

I pray you find love so that you may live a life that is enriching to you in ways that eclipse these baiting quarrells you seem to enjoy right now.

 

[Xzi]

Among the ideas under consideration are razing existing tent camps for the homeless, creating new temporary facilities and refurbishing existing government facilities, two other officials said. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the planning hasn’t been publicly revealed. The changes would attempt to give the federal government a larger role in supervising housing and health care for residents.

A team of Trump administration officials toured a California facility once used by the Federal Aviation Administration this week as they searched for a potential site to relocate homeless people, according to three government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private tour.

So their plan is more temporary homeless shelters. How very original, must have taken them weeks to brainstorm that idea.

Guess I was wrong about them not announcing anything further. I'm definitely going to be proven right about the homeless problem being unchanged in a year, though.

 

[GBADWB]

Among the ideas under consideration are razing existing tent camps for the homeless, creating new temporary facilities

Up to this point, has been done already as I've already mentioned examples of it happening within the past few years in various cities.

and refurbishing existing government facilities, two other officials said. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the planning hasn’t been publicly revealed. The changes would attempt to give the federal government a larger role in supervising housing and health care for residents.

Good that Trump at least wants to make use of a Facility(potentially) to help with the problem. One of the problems at least with the bigger cities have is getting the appropriate sized piece of land to move people over from.

Planning also involves officials from the Department of Health and Human Services. An administration official cited the need to act based on concerns about disease and sewage problems affecting the homeless.

This part is where I think we need to wait and see how this is handled.

Housing experts say homelessness in California has risen alongside housing and rental prices. That problem has been exacerbated by cuts to federal support for housing programs.

Which just shows that this isn't a side problem, as it openly admits cuts to what some would consider a socialist program has increased homelessness.

 

[H1B1Esquire]

In other words, just throwing money at the problem or moving the homeless around won't fix the problem. You need to help the person on the inside, not just the problems you see on their outside.

Yes and no--I should go in-depth, but I would just TL;DR myself and I've got a lot of responsibilities piling up because I've been trying to help my friend with his car most of today

TL;DR
Money can be thrown at people to get a career in therapy, and a few other sectors, while throwing money to _____ and ____*.

The other problem is that, as it is now, rarely do people actually care because they have their own issues--life can really suck sometimes, especially when you have to do a lot for others and it's frustrating to have no help with your own problems.
Look at public school--most of the teachers know it's a paycheck. They don't care if little Jimmy Shitstain gets an education because they already have theirs--a "Fuck you, I've got mine"-scenario. Yeah, some teachers care, but just like crisis aid prevention, there isn't enough to go around to make it to all the people who actually need it.

This is already too long.

*I have to be secretive because I don't want some schmuck stealing my ideas, pioneering those ideas as their own, royally fucking it up, and ruining my chance when I can actually do it with a 0.0000002% error.
Trust me, I do a lot of great things--I actually wrote a few songs that were "stolen" (and you actually know them and most people like them) just because it's the internet and you don't "own" anything until you own it.
I kid you not, someone asked if they could re-post my lyrics; when I asked, "Where?", I got no reply, likely because I didn't specifically say, "No, you callous scumfuck."

 

[morvoran]

So their plan is more temporary homeless shelters. How very original, must have taken them weeks to brainstorm that idea.

It's better than making them live on the streets in their own filth. Too bad the Democrats in charge couldnt think of it. I guess it doesn't matter when you live in a mansion with big fences away from the problem. "Out of sight, out of mind" is one of the democrat's motto.

I'm definitely going to be proven right about the homeless problem being unchanged in a year, though.

. Unfortunately, I have to agree with you as an Obama appointed judge will probably put an injunction on whatever the admin comes up with to block it from happening thus making the problem continue. Maybe, if we can work together to vote out these Democrats, real "change we can believe in" will begin to happen. You with me?

Which just shows that this isn't a side problem, as it openly admits cuts to what some would consider a socialist program has increased homelessness.

You may be needing a "Democrat to Republican" translation for this phrase. I speak Democrat, so I'll assist. "Housing experts claim the Democrats in California were wasting tax dollars and pocketing the rest while people in their state continue to suffer, so the federal government cut them off until proper changes were made to fix the wasteful spending."

 

[GBADWB]

You may be needing a "Democrat to Republican" translation for this phrase. I speak Democrat, so I'll assist. "Housing experts claim the Democrats in California were wasting tax dollars and pocketing the rest while people in their state continue to suffer, so the federal government cut them off until proper changes were made to fix the wasteful spending."

Would like a source on that. How it's worded, if it was what you said, the problem could not have been exacerbated by the cuts because you imply that they never got any of it in the first place.