What do you honk is the best PAID antivirus? (poll)

[Joom]

i have used eset internet secuirty for many years now and never have had any viruses, and it uses very little cpu power

Just because you have it installed doesn't mean you don't have a virus. Tools called "crypters" are available on the blackmarket which encrypt a malicious binary, allowing it to bypass AV detection. Nobody should ever solely rely on an antivirus as they only catch things with known behavior. A crypter allows a malware author/purveyor to go undetected with ease as they prevent the need to change code as soon as a detection is made. It's a form of pseudo-polymorphism, and some crypting services even offer true polymorphism (at a hefty price of course).

 

[Idontknowwhattoputhere]

None
The best antivirus is called ublock origin and common sense

 

[Joom]

None
The best antivirus is called ublock origin and common sense

Uh, that's horribly incorrect. Anyone that thinks an ad blocker serves as actual mitigation is a fool. The fact of the matter is that everyone is too lazy to monitor deep level diagnostics, so they just think they're safe when nothing apparent is happening. If all you do is drool around social media and YouTube, you're probably fine. Though if you're not a normie, and use things that aren't targeted at normies, you should take your security into higher consideration. This is the folly of the "computer nerd"; their assumed intelligence makes them the perfect avenue for infection because "they're too smart to get infected".

 

[Idontknowwhattoputhere]

Uh, that's horribly incorrect. Anyone that thinks an ad blocker serves as actual mitigation is a fool. The fact of the matter is that everyone is too lazy to monitor deep level diagnostics, so they just think they're safe when nothing apparent is happening. If all you do is drool around social media and YouTube, you're probably fine. Though if you're not a normie, and use things that aren't targeted at normies, you should take your security into higher consideration. This is the folly of the "computer nerd"; their assumed intelligence makes them the perfect avenue for infection because "they're too smart to get infected".

If you know how to use the internet then you should not be getting malware
Anti-virus are useless anyways

 

[leon315]

Where's windows defender? cauz i paid with WIN10 licence

 

[Joom]

If you know how to use the internet then you should not be getting malware
Anti-virus are useless anyways

Until you get leveraged by a 0day, which is happening more often than not. And again, unless you live the normie life in where you download absolutely nothing, knowing "how to use the internet" isn't going to save you. Malicious ad drive-by attacks barely exist now (they have about a 3% rate and only in third-world countries), so being a savvy user with an ad blocker isn't enough.

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Where's windows defender? cauz i paid with WIN10 licence

It's literally right there.

 

[IncredulousP]

Microsoft do a REALLY good job wit their builtin AV since day1 on windows 8

Microsoft's built-in antivirus, in the early days of Windows 8, was found to be among the worst and most ineffective. I don't remember numbers, but it's effectiveness was roughly 50% compared to roughly 90% of paid antiviruses. This was many years ago, though, so I'm not sure how much has changed.

 

[Idontknowwhattoputhere]

Until you get leveraged by a 0day, which is happening more often than not. And again, unless you live the normie life in where you download absolutely nothing, knowing "how to use the internet" isn't going to save you. Malicious ad drive-by attacks barely exist now (they have about a 3% rate and only in third-world countries), so being a savvy user with an ad blocker isn't enough.

I mean sure you have a point
I don't consider a av helpful in any way
Ublock origin and common sense have served me well
Just my opinion.

 

[Joom]

Microsoft's built-in antivirus, in the early days of Windows 8, was found to be among the worst and most ineffective. I don't remember numbers, but it's effectiveness was roughly 50% compared to roughly 90% of paid antiviruses. This was many years ago, though, so I'm not sure how much has changed.

A lot has changed. Windows Defender is now found to be the best available. It's actually been getting good since 7 due to how it manages kernel hooking without interfering with userland operation, but people don't pay attention to that because "HURRR, MUH HEURISTIC RATES".

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I mean sure you have a point
I don't consider a av helpful in any way
Ublock origin and common sense have served me well
Just my opinion.

So start monitoring your system with Process Explorer and other tools that give you a verbose look at what's actually going on. You might have a Bitcoin miner that only works when your computer is idle. You might have a RAT that is just harvesting passwords. These things go unnoticed because we don't care enough to pay attention.

Also, Steam has a privelge escalation 0day that recently went public that Valve refuses to fix

https://amonitoring.ru/article/steamclient-0day/

Getting the access necessary to leverage this is a walk in the park. Point is, an ad blocker, and what you perceive to be common sense, isn't enough. Any target audience could easily be hit. In this case, a title with malicious code could be released on Steam that manipulates this, and boom; millions are infected. Other things with access to the registry, like RATs, can make use of this. Someone dedicated enough could gain access to install rootkits due to this oversight. Anyone with Steam on Windows is in danger.

Edit: Valve tried to fix it, but it still exists.
https://xiaoyinl.github.io/steam_EoP_bypass.html

 

[Deleted User]

A lot has changed. Windows Defender is now found to be the best available. It's actually been getting good since 7 due to how it manages kernel hooking without interfering with userland operation, but people don't pay attention to that because "HURRR, MUH HEURISTIC RATES".

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So start monitoring your system with Process Explorer and other tools that give you a verbose look at what's actually going on. You might have a Bitcoin miner that only works when your computer is idle. You might have a RAT that is just harvesting passwords. These things go unnoticed because we don't care enough to pay attention.

Also, Steam has a privelge escalation 0day that recently went public that Valve refuses to fix

https://amonitoring.ru/article/steamclient-0day/

Getting the access necessary to leverage this is a walk in the park. Point is, an ad blocker, and what you perceive to be common sense, isn't enough. Any target audience could easily be hit. In this case, a title with malicious code could be released on Steam that manipulates this, and boom; millions are infected. Other things with access to the registry, like RATs, can make use of this. Someone dedicated enough could gain access to install rootkits due to this oversight. Anyone with Steam on Windows is in danger.

Edit: Valve tried to fix it, but it still exists.
https://xiaoyinl.github.io/steam_EoP_bypass.html

Hey, thanks for the heads up!

Although Idontknowwhattoputhere has a point, honestly if you're not downloading illegal files, and you stick to open source programs (freeware programs are really dangerous, have to research them before I even download it), then you should be ok.

Now, this thing about Steam is concerning. That's no good!

 

[RandomUser]

Norton Internet Security 2019. Never paid for it, the trial resets everyday so I have practically unlimited trial thus not being paid.
Yes, you can download the Norton Internet Security instead of just Norton Security, but is much harder to find and I think they're maybe the same things, except for one thing, is that NIS gives you a 1 day trial right out the gate instead of having you log in to get your free trial like NS does.

 

[Joom]

Norton Internet Security 2019. Never paid for it, the trial resets everyday so I have practically unlimited trial thus not being paid.
Yes, you can download the Norton Internet Security instead of just Norton Security, but is much harder to find and I think they're maybe the same things, except for one thing, is that NIS gives you a 1 day trial right out the gate instead of having you log in to get your free trial like NS does.

I guarantee I can bypass a detection considering Norton solely relies on read-only states of binaries. It does no memory mapping whatsoever. This said, anti-viruses are snakeoil for the most part. They thrive on scaring customers without offering actual information. The information they do provide is biased and ambiguous, as well. Like I said, don't rely on them. And not to sound like a Windows hater, but if you need an actual work environment without worry of some dipshit throwing a wrench into your operation, UNIX environments are the way to go. They're why Microsoft is trying so hard to be like Linux. I bought a Mac for this exact reason. Windows is a nightmare as a whole.

 

[the_randomizer]

I guarantee I can bypass a detection considering Norton solely relies on read-only states of binaries. It does no memory mapping whatsoever. This said, anti-viruses are snakeoil for the most part. They thrive on scaring customers without offering actual information. The information they do provide is biased and ambiguous, as well. Like I said, don't rely on them. And not to sound like a Windows hater, but if you need an actual work environment without worry of some dipshit throwing a wrench into your operation, UNIX environments are the way to go. They're why Microsoft is trying so hard to be like Linux. I bought a Mac for this exact reason. Windows is a nightmare as a whole.

Then what do you suggest I use for antivirus?

 

[dAVID_]

Uh, that's horribly incorrect. Anyone that thinks an ad blocker serves as actual mitigation is a fool. The fact of the matter is that everyone is too lazy to monitor deep level diagnostics, so they just think they're safe when nothing apparent is happening. If all you do is drool around social media and YouTube, you're probably fine. Though if you're not a normie, and use things that aren't targeted at normies, you should take your security into higher consideration. This is the folly of the "computer nerd"; their assumed intelligence makes them the perfect avenue for infection because "they're too smart to get infected".

Imagine calling people normies unironically.

 

[DKB]

Huh. I thought I was being an idiot by being lazy and not getting a anti virus (for a long, long period of time.). This thread has changed me in that regard.

I used to use BitDefender. This is when I discovered that Anti-Viruses use a dumbfuck amount of resources for a whole lot of nothin'. Shit is like 600MB+ Big. Compared to other ones which do the same thing.

The only thing I liked about BitDefender was this little widget that would appear on your desktop which let you control it faster. I grew out of it though.

Default Anti Virus is *fine for most. I have to often disable my firewall due to server creation though. It's always bitching about it, even if it I give it permissions/etc.

 

[Ericthegreat]

Will not answers because paying a antivirus in 2019 is like a SCAM to me, defender and common sense always made it work for me.

Microsoft do a REALLY good job wit their builtin AV since day1 on windows 8

Some people gotta click that ad where the random girl in the random chat app that opened on the bottom of their browser, is typing and needs sex within 0.4 blocks of their area.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Vote in the poll!

Windows Defender is free though?
I personally would never pay for an AV (currently using Panda Free), but IIRC BitDefender is supposed to be one of the best paid AVs. Also, their free option is good too. There isn't really a single best AV though, as someone else said they all have their pros and cons.

You forgot the biggest dogs. Kaspersky, Bitdefender, and Avira.

Although I will say that no one needs anything more than MSE/Windows Defender. Plenty of independent tests show that Microsoft's built in AV is just as good as any of the other top options.

Last I checked, independent tests said quite the opposite. Have they improved it lately?

 

[DKB]

Honestly, if you want to get one that's paid, Malwarebytes is pretty good. It's easy to obtain for free, and is good at blocking potentially bad webpages.

Totally forgot I do use this, but since it's not very in-your-face unlike most other ones, I totally forgot I even had it installed.

 

[nero99]

personally i think 360Total Security is the best. cleans your reg, wipes out all known virus types, has a built in ad blocker, optimizes your start up time, and best of all, you can share your $10 licence with two other computers.

 

[the_randomizer]

personally i think 360Total Security is the best. cleans your reg, wipes out all known virus types, has a built in ad blocker, optimizes your start up time, and best of all, you can share your $10 licence with two other computers.

I don't like anything that touches or alters the registry, that can't be a good thing, trusting a program to do something people should know more about beforehand.