The Illegal Immigration Non-Crisis in the USA

[Deleted-401606]

More gba subforums, but I'm pretty sure I've posted on the DS and 3DS subforums. That's not a fish, it's a stag beetle, the kuwagata, from Mega Man X.

Edit - And if you're at all interested in it, you can google "kuwagata samurai" to get an idea of where the Kuwanger design came from.

I'm confusing you with a different user I think that had a fish with similar colors to your avi. I think his name was @Carpa or something. I can't find him now though.

Edit: Found him his name was @cearp.

 

[SG854]

I've explained it twice. I'm not going to explain it again.


Then there was no point in criticizing my post.


If a person is going to say something as ridiculous as "Hillary would have started a war with Iran and Russia" without apparently understanding the history behind the Iran Nuclear Deal, then that post is subject to ridicule, by definition. I didn't say he was dumb. I didn't say he should feel bad. I didn't call his character into question. I didn't put him down. I didn't bully him. I said he didn't know what he was talking about, which was correct. If you're going to criticize my response by saying something that applies more to the original post then my response (without addressing the original post), you're a hypocrite. If you're going to waste my time by pearl-clutching in response to my acceptable choice of words, I'm not interested, which is probably why I didn't address your high-horse statement in the first place.


You're the one throwing around terms like "asshole," "calm the F down," pearl-clutching, etc. I'm not the one getting personal. I'm not the one who seems to be on edge.

There's also a chance you're going to get this thread locked.

You didn’t do a good job at all explaining the hypocrisy. Because there was none.


I’ve been getting negative vibes from you in this thread and with the posts you replied to me also. And I’m saying don’t act assholish. That is all. Getting this thread locked just for saying don’t act assholish is ridiculous. And I criticized you acting assholish I didn’t call you an asshole.



And what high horse statement? Just for saying don’t act assholish. You are using some twisted ass logic just to make a non point. And the fact you are saying “you have no idea what you’re talking about” is exactly what i’m getting. That’s you on a high horse statement. That’s you with a cocky statement. I’m telling you to get off your high horse and calm down.


Xzi told me that I was too aggressive in previous threads. So I apologized and I haven’t been calling people names and such. And this thread I wasn’t doing that. And I am not biased like you accused me of because I accepted the comment you made about Obama’s immigration, though I’m might change my opinion again on that. I only say things like idiot and moron when it’s necessary in some circumstances but I avoid it as much as I can. So it’s no way a got ya contradiction. Because of the situation things sometimes deserve it. And people like to manipulate that to get an argumentative advantage, but it’s not.


Mods don’t shut this thread down because of this back and forth between me and Lucius. I’m cool with him and not overly angry, I just felt he came off too arrogant on his comments and commented on that.

And Lacius fine make the comments the way you do. But I’m just saying man, you come off as angry and arrogant. And other people too in this thread, on both sides and these threads sometimes goes down in non sense. Instead of just commenting I disagree and here’s why, you instead say you have no idea what your talking about. We are all just gathering the information the best we can and getting information is pretty hard. And i’m sure you don’t know everything to be making a comment like that. And saying your acting assholish in no way a gotcha hypocritical statement, especially when my intent of saying that is to get people to not be rude to each other and to be nicer.

 

[Lacius]

You didn’t do a good job at all explaining the hypocrisy. Because there was none.


I’ve been getting negative vibes from you in this thread and with the posts you replied to me also. And I’m saying don’t act assholish. That is all. Getting this thread locked just for saying don’t act assholish is ridiculous. And I criticized you acting assholish I didn’t call you an asshole.



And what high horse statement? Just for saying don’t act assholish. You are using some twisted ass logic just to make a non point. And the fact you are saying “you have no idea what you’re talking about” is exactly what i’m getting. That’s you on a high horse statement. That’s you with a cocky statement. I’m telling you to get off your high horse and calm down.


Xzi told me that I was too aggressive in previous threads. So I apologized and I haven’t been calling people names and such. And this thread I wasn’t doing that. And I am not biased like you accused me of because I accepted the comment you made about Obama’s immigration, though I’m might change my opinion again on that. I only say things like idiot and moron when it’s necessary in some circumstances but I avoid it as much as I can. So it’s no way a got ya contradiction. Because of the situation things sometimes deserve it. And people like to manipulate that to get an argumentative advantage, but it’s not.


Mods don’t shut this thread down because of this back and forth between me and Lucius. I’m cool with him and not overly angry, I just felt he came off too arrogant on his comments and commented on that.

And Lacius fine make the comments the way you do. But I’m just saying man, you come off as angry and arrogant. And other people too in this thread, on both sides and these threads sometimes goes down in non sense. Instead of just commenting I disagree and here’s why, you instead say you have no idea what your talking about. We are all just gathering the information the best we can and getting information is pretty hard. And i’m sure you don’t know everything to be making a comment like that. And saying your acting assholish is not way a gotcha hypocritical statement, especially when my intent of saying that is to get people to not be rude to each other and to be nicer.

Long and negative posts about me instead of the topic are what are going to get this thread locked.

 

[SG854]

Long and negative posts about me instead of the topic are what are going to get this thread locked.

Dude I’m trying to be cool with you ok. Try not be be so defensive please. I just felt you came to aggressive.

 

[Lacius]

Dude I’m trying to be cool with you ok. Try not be be so defensive please. I just felt you came to aggressive.

Telling you what is going to get this thread locked isn't me being "defensive," "aggressive," or "uncool." I'd argue those are the things you're doing by not letting it go.

If you can't let things be, use my PM box instead of derailing the thread.

 

[SG854]

Telling you what is going to get this thread locked isn't me being "defensive," "aggressive," or "uncool." I'd argue those are the things you're doing by not letting it go.

If you can't let things be, use my PM box instead of derailing the thread.

Ok, fine. I just think this is whatever now. And like chill now.


I guess mods can remove comments between me and Lucius, since they don’t contribute to this thread. I usually don’t like comments removed but I don’t think anyone cares about the back and forth between us two.

 

[Foxi4]

Sort of a threadjack of sorts, but let's remember that this whole non-crisis crisis started because when it was still a month until the first caravan would reach the southern border, instead of pushing for (1) funding for more judges, (2) resources to provide for asylum seekers, and (3) negotiating with Mexico to provide some sort of south border camp while more judges are spun up and while the almost certainly dragged out asylum cases go through, we had a president hammering on about the need for a wall and an impending invasion--something wall funding wouldn't stop because it'd take way more than a month to build a substantial amount of wall--while condemning the legitimate asylum process and doing nothing to really to fix it except you start jailing everyone to try to instill fear in anyone who crossed, no matter how legally they did it. And when that didn't get funding, instead of using emergency funding to provide for more judges or resources for asylum seekers, money was grabbed to fund said wall. Even now with conditions considered pretty deplorably by the Vice President, who usually goes along with everything Trump says, we're still seeing no emergency funding by anyone.

Honestly, it's all a very bad joke. It's like arguing the disaster of Fukushima would never of happened if we should have just stopped the earthquake. *sigh* At least arguing for a (bigger) wall there would have made some sense.

From where I'm sitting, the U.S. is suffering from a big problem with separation of power. The country is in a situation where the legislative branch cannot properly legislate and the executive cannot execute due to the judiciary blocking just about every attempt at improving the situation. It's a catch 22 situation where everybody harps on Congress and the Oval Office for not addressing the border crisis while simultaneously blocking any and all attempts at reforming the system. There's a lot of talk about the possibility of impeachment regarding the president, I think it's about time a couple of federal judges were impeached. The power of judicial review has morphed into something it was never meant to be, I have a hard time imagining that the founding fathers wanted the judiciary to usurp the power of the legislature and the executive by only enforcing the laws they approve of while blockading everything else. To quote Hamilton:

"The courts must declare the sense of the law; and if they should be disposed to exercise WILL instead of JUDGMENT, the consequence would equally be the substitution of their pleasure to that of the legislative body." - Federalist no.78

The massive overreach on the part of the judiciary is tying the hands of the rest of the government, and until that's addressed, I doubt we'll see any progress. The power of judicial review, although inferred from the Constitution, has been grossly misinterpreted and should be reigned in accordingly.

 

[grind3r4rlz]

The buzz in the news lately has been the overcrowded, but generally better condition that a lot of people who have been crossing the Southern border of illegally have found themselves in. Current policies encourage people to illegally bypass our border checkpoints and cross in dangerous locations because the policies then allow them to get free health insurance (emergency Medicaid), food assistance (SNAP gives them the option to not have to provide or prove they are a legal resident of the USA) and free housing. That's if they successfully sneak into the country otherwise they may die or find themselves in worse conditions than the likely outcome, which is they are apprehended and put into detention facilities (as they are breaking the law).

So the current policies encourage them to risk their own lives along with their children's for a free shot at living large, which puts a burden on the USA economy, brings with it drug smuggling and people who sell children for sex and enables criminals, who are organizing caravans of thousands of migrants to profit. It also gives the certain people that are not only personally profiting financially more votes because in thier districts they allow non-citizens to vote, while both the general public and the immigrants suffer.

Well, I don't see the general condition they find themselves in worse than what most of them came from and they are still being treated better than our own citizens that are homeless, without food or an airconditioned place to sleep. I think we should get rid of the policies encouraging the illegals and anyone in our government that is supporting this lawless act and cut the current detainees daily meals to what you would find in the Arizona Maricopa County Jail and cut off their air conditioning and make them live in tents like our homeless people are having to do because the Illegal immigrants are more of a priority than they are.

With that said I'm wondering what people from other countries, specifically not the USA or any south of our borders what they think about these policies? How does your country handle Illegal immigration and do you think it's wise to have no sort of border system with countries not in your Union or what have you?

After seeing why you left the page in your post in the Discord for this site I thought I should sign up and give my two cents. While I can't speak about the moderators here due to no experience with them I can see how deleting your post because you generalized when this entire thread contains generalizations would be frustrating. Did you know that like @Foxi4 said someone must have reported you? I think it's crap that @DinohScene asked why someone hasn't assassinated the president yet. I think that is something the secret service should be notified about.

My take on this topic is that if you're doing something that's illegal and get caught that you have to deal with the fallout. I have no pity for people that start off by entering our country and the first thing they do is break the law. The conditions in our own jails aren't that great and are pretty comparable to what these criminals are having to deal with. The children are their resposibility, they did this to their own kids. I don't think that a toothbrush and shower are too much to ask, but those aren't human rights and I don't think they had those on the long trip over here as they are claiming their conditions were worse where they were coming from. Two hots and a cot in an air conditioned building is about right. Plus the condition of the children is only a symptom of the problem and we should be focusing on the root issue and not be distracted by people that would use emotional issues for political gain.

I also agree that the Democrats creating policies and ignoring the law are to blame the most and it's good that ICE is rounding up the criminals that had their due process and still refused to leave the country. I pray for our agents safety and if any of these criminals resists arrest with force I hope the ICE agents aim is spot on just like in the gun ranges they practice in. After ICE is done deporting the illegal population they should then focus on the people who supported them and I don't think that when you arrest our own citizens and send them to Prison that their kids get to come along with them. Maybe a bounty on illegals would help solve this problem? Shoot straight and God bless.

 

[Lacius]

After seeing why you left the page in your post in the Discord for this site I thought I should sign up and give my two cents. While I can't speak about the moderators here due to no experience with them I can see how deleting your post because you generalized when this entire thread contains generalizations would be frustrating. Did you know that like @Foxi4 said someone must have reported you? I think it's crap that @DinohScene asked why someone hasn't assassinated the president yet. I think that is something the secret service should be notified about.

My take on this topic is that if you're doing something that's illegal and get caught that you have to deal with the fallout. I have no pity for people that start off by entering our country and the first thing they do is break the law. The conditions in our own jails aren't that great and are pretty comparable to what these criminals are having to deal with. The children are their resposibility, they did this to their own kids. I don't think that a toothbrush and shower are too much to ask, but those aren't human rights and I don't think they had those on the long trip over here as they are claiming their conditions were worse where they were coming from. Two hots and a cot in an air conditioned building is about right. Plus the condition of the children is only a symptom of the problem and we should be focusing on the root issue and not be distracted by people that would use emotional issues for political gain.

I also agree that the Democrats creating policies and ignoring the law are to blame the most and it's good that ICE is rounding up the criminals that had their due process and still refused to leave the country. I pray for our agents safety and if any of these criminals resists arrest with force I hope the ICE agents aim is spot on just like in the gun ranges they practice in. After ICE is done deporting the illegal population they should then focus on the people who supported them and I don't think that when you arrest our own citizens and send them to Prison that their kids get to come along with them. Maybe a bounty on illegals would help solve this problem? Shoot straight and God bless.

Trump is using ICE and the roundups as political tools. Aside from being an illegal immigrant, we also aren't talking about criminals.

Talking about children in detainment, they should not be tortured in the way the Trump administration is torturing children because of anything their parents did. Adults who crossed the border illegally also don't deserve the deplorable conditions they're receiving.

Also talking about the children and adults in detainment, many of them did not break the law. They are legal asylum seekers.

 

[sarkwalvein]

This thread makes me disappointed about humanity: a comedic mix of maliciousness, naivety, ignorance, arrogance.

It's one of those things that makes you feel sad pity. I will have brighter days once I unfollow the thread.

 

[Foxi4]

Trump is using ICE and the roundups as political tools. Aside from being an illegal immigrant, we also aren't talking about criminals.

Talking about children in detainment, they should not be tortured in the way the Trump administration is torturing children because of anything their parents did. Adults who crossed the border illegally also don't deserve the deplorable conditions they're receiving.

Also talking about the children and adults in detainment, many of them did not break the law. They are legal asylum seekers.

I like how in your estimation these detainment facilities popped up like mushrooms, they just appeared overnight and totally didn't exist under previous administrations. Family separation didn't start with Trump and it isn't going to end with Trump either. If we're talking about things being used as political tools, "the children" are a model example of something that gets trotted out whenever it's convenient. ICE is doing the best they can with the limited resources they've got. If you want the situation at the border to improve, you would lobby for a larger border security budget. Of course it's more politically expedient for Democrats to just hold their arms in the air and tell people to "think of the children" while doing absolutely nothing - it serves their ultimate goal of deposing the president, especially in the run up to the 2020 election. As for illegal immigrants, they're de facto criminals - illegal entry is prosecuted as a crime, especially now with the zero tolerance policy in place. The president signed an executive order to halt family separation on June 20th, that's more than Democrats have done in this regard, before or since. Sadly, this order won't apply in every case as, ultimately, border patrol must operate in accordance with pre-existing law, which only underlines the urgency of immigration reform.

 

[SG854]

When native citizens commit a dui crime or some other crime when they are with their child and are sent to jail, they are separated from their kids. Because the kids shouldn’t go to jail for the parents crime.

Entering the country illegally is in violation of 8 United States Code 1325.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

Assylum seekers are entering illegally if they enter anywhere other then the port of entry. To seek asylum legally you must go to the port of entry to do it the legal way.


Majority of Americans do not blame our government for people willingly coming to this country illegally, and violating the laws and putting their kids through this and for separation. They blame the parents.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/394244-americans-blame-law-breaking-parents-not-trump-for-border-separation?amp


Prisons are overcrowded with many illegal migrants.

Separation was recommended to protect kids from sexual assault from being in prisons that are overcrowded.


Rapid DNA testing in Texas shows that a third of migrants faked relationships with children to claim asylum. Tested either all migrants or only those that raise red flag, situation unclear. And there are many kids that come to this country already separated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...-migrants-faked-family-relationship-kids.html



Democrats and Obama administration officials warns that open boarders and decriminalization would be costly.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/452531-democrats-warn-push-for-border-crossing-decriminalization-will-prove-costly?amp

 

[Lacius]

I like how in your estimation these detainment facilities popped up like mushrooms, they just appeared overnight and totally didn't exist under previous administrations. Family separation didn't start with Trump and it isn't going to end with Trump either. If we're talking about things being used as political tools, "the children" are a model example of something that gets trotted out whenever it's convenient. ICE is doing the best they can with the limited resources they've got. If you want the situation at the border to improve, you would lobby for a larger border security budget. Of course it's more politically expedient for Democrats to just hold their arms in the air and tell people to "think of the children" while doing absolutely nothing - it serves their ultimate goal of deposing the president, especially in the run up to the 2020 election. As for illegal immigrants, they're de facto criminals - illegal entry is prosecuted as a crime, especially now with the zero tolerance policy in place. The president signed an executive order to halt family separation on June 20th, that's more than Democrats have done in this regard, before or since. Sadly, this order won't apply in every case as, ultimately, border patrol must operate in accordance with pre-existing law, which only underlines the urgency of immigration reform.

The child separation policy is a Trump policy that didn't exist before Trump. This myth needs to die.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

Please don't spread misinformation.

 

[grind3r4rlz]

Trump is using ICE and the roundups as political tools. Aside from being an illegal immigrant, we also aren't talking about criminals.

Talking about children in detainment, they should not be tortured in the way the Trump administration is torturing children because of anything their parents did. Adults who crossed the border illegally also don't deserve the deplorable conditions they're receiving.

Also talking about the children and adults in detainment, many of them did not break the law. They are legal asylum seekers.

I disagree.

Entering the country illegally is breaking the law and their conditions aren't deplorable nor are the children being tortured. Most of the detainees are not seeking asylum through normal ports of entry and due to this the ones that aren't doing it legally are finding themselves waiting longer. By no means is being detained in overcrowded air conditioned detention facilities with food and water related to torture. Have you ever personally seen the conditions our overcrowded jails and prison are in and what our own legal citizens who broke the law eat? That's not a question I want you to answer, just more of something you might want to look into before claiming that these criminals are having a rough time.

You won't find a drop of pity coming from me on this issue only gratefulness for our ICE agents and people that support our great country. I've read this thread back to front and I see you like to argue based on absolutes and rare occurrences as if they are the de facto standard. Being too narrow minded has it's downsides and if you want to be more relatable, grounded and mature then generalizing is more useful then specializing. That's all I have to say to you. I've read your posts and have no desire to participate in conversation with someone as far left as yourself. Take that however you want to as however you take it won't bother me in any way, shape or form.

I don't mind much if someone finds what I say offensive and in turn their feelings get hurt. People need to grow a pair if they want to live in the real world. I've got no sympathy for people who seek to live in a constant pity party or those who hate our country and won't say otherwise when questioned about it.

MAGA 2020

 

[Lacius]

When native citizens are separated by dui or some crime when they are with their child and are sent to jail, they are separated from their kids. Because the kids shouldn’t go to jail for the parents crime.

Entering the country illegally is in violation of 8 United States Code 1325.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

Assylum seekers are entering illegally if they enter anywhere other then the port of entry. To seek asylum legally you must go to the port of entry to do it the legal way.


Majority of Americans do not blame our government for people willingly coming to this country illegally, and violating the laws and putting their kids through this and for separation. They blame the parents.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/394244-americans-blame-law-breaking-parents-not-trump-for-border-separation?amp


Prisons are overcrowded with many illegal migrants.

Separation was recommended to protect kids from sexual assault from being in prisons that are overcrowded.


Rapid DNA testing in Texas shows that a third of migrants faked relationships with children to claim asylum. Tested either all migrants or only those that raise red flag, situation unclear. And there are many kids that come to this country already separated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...-migrants-faked-family-relationship-kids.html



Democrats and Obama administration officials warns that open boarders and decriminalization would be costly.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/452531-democrats-warn-push-for-border-crossing-decriminalization-will-prove-costly?amp

Asylum seekers have a legal right to seek asylum regardless of how they entered the country. In addition, the Trump administration has made crossing at ports of entry often impossible.

 

[SG854]

Asylum seekers have a legal right to seek asylum regardless of how they entered the country. In addition, the Trump administration has made crossing at ports of entry often impossible.

How so?

 

[Lacius]

I disagree.

Entering the country illegally is breaking the law and their conditions aren't deplorable nor are the children being tortured. Most of the detainees are not seeking asylum through normal ports of entry and due to this the ones that aren't doing it legally are finding themselves waiting longer. By no means is being detained in overcrowded air conditioned detention facilities with food and water related to torture. Have you ever personally seen the conditions our overcrowded jails and prison are in and what our own legal citizens who broke the law eat? That's not a question I want you to answer, just more of something you might want to look into before claiming that these criminals are having a rough time.

You won't find a drop of pity coming from me on this issue only gratefulness for our ICE agents and people that support our great country. I've read this thread back to front and I see you like to argue based on absolutes and rare occurrences as if they are the de facto standard. Being too narrow minded has it's downsides and if you want to be more relatable, grounded and mature then generalizing is more useful then specializing. That's all I have to say to you. I've read your posts and have no desire to participate in conversation with someone as far left as yourself. Take that however you want to as however you take it won't bother me in any way, shape or form.

I don't mind much if someone finds what I say offensive and in turn their feelings get hurt. People need to grow a pair if they want to live in the real world. I've got no sympathy for people who seek to live in a constant pity party or those who hate our country and won't say otherwise when questioned about it.

MAGA 2020

1. The conditions are deplorable.
2. Child separation alone is objectively torture.
3. Children are dying under the "care" of the Trump administration.
4. Many asylum seekers are crossing the border "illegally" because ports of entry have become nearly impossible to use under Trump.
5. Asylum seekers have a legal right to asylum, even if they didn't cross at a port of entry.

 

[Foxi4]

The child separation policy is a Trump policy that didn't exist before Trump. This myth needs to die.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

Absolute nonsense. Under Obama children have been separated from their guardians in very specific circumstances - if the adults accompanying them posed a danger to them or if they had prior criminal convictions which needed to be resolved. The situation was similar under Bush. This policy is long-standing and exists to comply with the Flores settlement which prohibits long-term detention of minors. The separation issue is a direct result of pre-existing legal precedent, and your own source lists it. If anyone is spreading misinformation, it's you. This is a situation where multiple laws created by multiple administrations have a cumulative negative effect, which means they should be streamlined into something more sensible.

 

[grind3r4rlz]

How so?

He's right. You can claim Asylum if you enter the country illegally, but it doesn't change the fact you're breaking the law and should be detained until your hearing. Then if you're denied your claim and ordered to leave the country and do not then ICE is in their legal right to remove you. I think the laws need to be updated to deny anyone the ability to claim Asylum if they don't do it at a legal port of entry.

 

[SG854]

He's right. You can claim Asylum if you enter the country illegally, but it doesn't change the fact you're breaking the law and should be detained until your hearing. Then if you're denied your claim and ordered to leave the country and do not then ICE is in their legal right to remove you. I think the laws need to be updated to deny anyone the ability to claim Asylum if they don't do it at a legal port of entry.

In the video I linked the ice official says it’s not. To do it legally the must go to point of entry to verify.