The Illegal Immigration Non-Crisis in the USA

[Xzi]

Having the land mass for more people to live on is different from having the resources to support more people. People may argue and try to say that we still have plenty of resources to support an ever enlarging population but to hear the environmentalists talk, we are using our resources up at a rate we cannot sustain.

What resources exactly are we running out of? And if that's the case, why haven't we put a cap on the number of children that each couple is allowed to have? This line of reasoning is simply ridiculous. A bigger workforce provides us with more resources, not fewer. Particularly as we transition away from finite energy sources like coal and oil.

 

[kevin corms]

This implies that the problems at the border we have right now are not real problems. Maybe you meant something else, but with how it was worded, it does imply that.

Nope it doesnt mean that, and people dying is a direct consequence of people ignoring the real problems at the border that they want to call manufactured.

 

[Deleted User]

He won because he ran against one of the worst candidates in history, people basically said you know what... I would rather an orange bafoon in the office before Hillary Clinton.

The election was fucked regardless. It wouldn't matter either way.

 

[Xzi]

They got him elected because they thought that the negative publicity on Trump was going to deter people from voting for him. They made a mistake assuming that they would be able to defeat the Great Donald Trump at a publicity game. You can't out pizza the hut.

You failed to address the fact that much of their coverage was neutral, not negative. Trump's victory was also a victory for the corporate sponsors of CNN and MSNBC, but really they couldn't lose once the race was locked in as Hillary vs Trump. The "great" Donald Trump has done nothing but keep people divided as a distraction while the oligarchs continue to pillage this country.

 

[kevin corms]

The election was fucked regardless. It wouldn't matter either way.

True, but on the bright side Hillary would have had the army attack Iran or Russia by now.

 

[Deleted User]

True, but on the bright side Hillary would have had the army attack Iran or Russia by now.

Meanwhile Trump has pissed off and made us a joke to the whole world.

 

[Xzi]

True, but on the bright side Hillary would have had the army attack Iran or Russia by now.

Nah, Hillary wouldn't have torn up the nuclear inspections agreement we had with Iran, nor would she have hired on warmongers like John Bolton to her administration. She would've been beholden to the oligarchy just as Trump is, but in every other respect she still would've been a better president.

 

[Lacius]

True, but on the bright side Hillary would have had the army attack Iran or Russia by now.

You have no idea what you're talking about. See Xzi's post above.

 

[SG854]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

What an asshole response.


We have no idea what a Hilary Presidency would be like. So you can’t say with confidence what would and wouldn’t have happened.

 

[Hanafuda]

We have no idea what a Hilary Presidency would be like.

Not hard to imagine though.

 

[Lacius]

What an asshole response.


We have no idea what a Hilary Presidency would be like. So you can’t say with confidence what would and wouldn’t have happened.

Hillary's position on the Iran Nuclear Deal was very clear, and they were keeping up their end. My point was that you apparently didn't know this.

 

[Haloman800]

When's the last time you drove down the road & thought "there's not enough cars here", or waited in line at a store and thought "these lines should be longer"

We don't need any immigration, legal or otherwise.

 

[Xzi]

Not hard to imagine though.

God forbid the president take a stance against dictators who slaughter their own citizens by the thousands, right? They're supposed to fall in love with dictators like Trump did with Kim Jong Un. /s

When's the last time you drove down the road & thought "there's not enough cars here", or waited in line at a store and thought "these lines should be longer"

We don't need any immigration, legal or otherwise.

So the entire country is overcrowded because you choose to live in a dense population center? It doesn't quite work that way.

 

[Haloman800]

God forbid the president take a stance against dictators who slaughter their own citizens by the thousands, right? They're supposed to fall in love with dictators like Trump did with Kim Jong Un. /s


So the entire country is overcrowded because you choose to live in a dense population center? It doesn't quite work that way.

Not an argument, also, starting your response with "so" is a tell that you're responding with emotions.

We have enough people in the country, we especially don't need poor, uneducated 3rd worlders, the majority of which go on the public dole.

 

[Xzi]

Not an argument, also, starting your response with "so" is a tell that you're responding with emotions.

If mine isn't an argument then neither is the completely anecdotal evidence that you provided. I have no clue where you got that stupid idea in your head about the word "so," it's just a word like any other.

 

[barronwaffles]

God forbid the president take a stance against dictators who slaughter their own citizens by the thousands, right? They're supposed to fall in love with dictators like Trump did with Kim Jong Un. /s

How about instead of parroting the same horse shit you have peddled in the past on this topic you actually spend some time reading up on reports released after the (largely intentional) cluster fuck that was western intervention in Libya?

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf

Edit - fantastic summary here for anyone else interested :
https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-...ow-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/

 

[Xzi]

How about instead of parroting the same horse shit you have peddled in the past on this topic you actually spend some time reading up on reports released after the (largely intentional) cluster fuck that was western intervention in Libya?

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf

How about realizing that we didn't engage in the practice of nation building in Libya like we did with Afghanistan and Iraq? Their fate was their own to decide after Gaddafi was out of the picture, as it should be. I'm not sure how you can argue that continued civil war would've resulted in anything different.

 

[Haloman800]

If mine isn't an argument then neither is the completely anecdotal evidence that you provided. I have no clue where you got that stupid idea in your head about the word "so," it's just a word like any other.


By that logic, we need to put restrictions on breeding for all the white trash in the South, because the immigrant population are much more dedicated workers.

Objectively false. Native-born Americans are on welfare at a lower rate than immigrants (both legal and illegal).

 

[Xzi]

Objectively false. Native-born Americans are on welfare at a lower rate than immigrants (both legal and illegal).

"Objectively false" he says, providing no evidence or source to back his claim.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codesw...cans-are-opposing-government-welfare-programs

Despite those perceptions, other research has found that white people are the biggest beneficiaries of the government safety net. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, white people made up the the largest share — at 52 percent — of people lifted from poverty by safety-net programs, while black people made up less than a quarter of that share. When it comes to receiving Medicaid, white people make up about 43 percent of recipients, Hispanics about 30 percent, African-Americans 18 percent, with 9 percent identified as other, according to Wetts.

So are all these white people immigrants (who can't apply for government assistance anyway), or are you just full of shit?

 

[barronwaffles]

How about realizing that we didn't engage in the practice of nation building in Libya like we did with Afghanistan and Iraq? Their fate was their own to decide after Gaddafi was out of the picture, as it should be. I'm not sure how you can argue that continued civil war would've resulted in anything different.

From the Salon article -

Before the 2011 NATO bombing, on the other hand, Libya had been the wealthiest nation in Africa, with the highest life expectancy and GDP per capita. In his book "Perilous Interventions," former Indian representative to the U.N. Hardeep Singh Puri notes that, before the war, Libya had less of its population in poverty than the Netherlands. Libyans had access to free health care, education, electricity and interest-free loans, and women had great freedoms that had been applauded by the U.N. Human Rights Council in January 2011, on the eve of the war that destroyed the government.

Take your intervention and 'nation building' and choke on it you fucking tool.