Trump to issue Executive Order to Lower Drug Prices

[cots]

If that's all you want or need, no matter how terrible things are, that's obviously your business. It's rather absurd to pretend, though, that people don't take mediocre and convince themselves what they vote for is moderate when what they constantly vote for stability at all costs. Stability at all costs is terrible.

Well, you stated the mid-term defeats. If you were referring to Republican's vs Democrat's then there were some areas that Democrats did win more positions, but like I said, they were moderates who are supportive of most the current policies, not extreme radicals who want to destroy everything our country stands for, so I don't see that as a major loss, but I don't vote for just one party (I vote for people with policies that would be generally productive regardless if they are red or blue), so being impartial and non-bias in this situation is sort of in my nature.

If stuff does get unstable due to radicals pushing their agendas and we sees riots or another civil war then I'm ready to protect myself and my property. I'm not too worried about being able to defend myself, but I'm not looking for a fight, so I'll leave that to the "far left or far right" to start and keep voting for stability and hope for the best. I don't want conflict, but I won't back down from it.

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The question from me however is is this action likely to be a long term solution (or be the thing that kicks off on/covers people until it is there) in addition to the questions of use of power for it. The reason it might cost 75% less is because they are negotiating in bulk (even the biggest insurance providers seem to be a fraction of what smaller countries bring to the table), able to put down contracts (predictable income), maybe have a bit less red tape (don't know if the insurance providers have their own regs here, though they do limit usage of a lot of things. FDA regs are usually in line with the rest of the world) and that is far easier. If arbitrarily capping a market (for a nation so fond of "freedom" a rather strong act) then is that likely to do much good in the long term or all those other things mentioned in the first sentence?
I have wondered at times if the US paying so much also means other companies are more likely to negotiate outside the US as the US provides the bulk and everything else is just gravy on top of it all.

Good questions, much better than speculating that everything is going to end up bad and we're all doomed. I'm not sure what the future will bring, but hopefully it involves lower prices across the board and that people get the medication they need to stay healthy and alive at reasonable prices they can afford.

 

[kuwanger]

Well, you stated the mid-term defeats.

Uh, never really brought up the mid-terms. I was speaking of moderates and conservatives that fear change, even change for the better.

like I said, they were moderates who are supportive of most the current policies, not extreme radicals who want to destroy everything our country stands for,

What does our country stand for? Three branches of government? Democracy? Mostly free market capitalism? Nothing about universal healthcare is radical or against that. No more than national regulations on pollution, medicare/medicaid, social security, etc. Honestly, I so rarely know what people mean with "[what] our country stands for"? Perhaps imperialist interference in other countries, since we've being done that since day one. Subsidized products to manipulate or control other economies? General efforts to have dominion over the whole world? Really, if we just go by actions, the US stands for generally maniacal things; freedom and justice are so far down the list it's a joke if it doesn't involve people within American borders, and even then we tend to try oppress large minorities of the population (or even the majority that is women for quite a while). Oh, and let's not forget all the money fueled corruption. Maybe throw in some slavery and racism for the kicks, although we mostly replaced that with just racism.

Radicals that strive to destroy the US? They're an irrelevant minority. Radicals that could, by accident, destroy the US? Always a risk, as much as stability for stability sake can destroy a nation. Change is an inherent part of existence that if fought against blindly merely leads to self-destruction. Real moderation doesn't mean leaning towards a meaning that argues to do nothing any more than real skepticism means listening to the majority of people while ignoring all evidence. If each situation were being considered on its own merit there wouldn't be political blocks voting on social issues. People would vote for those actually following the moderate line they profess.

 

[DinohScene]

How is that man not assasinated yet?
Poor Lincoln, poor JFK.

Really hate that guy. As an outsider, I am still in shock that this child is president. Waste of garbage human being. Should be in jail.

Goes to show that everybody can become a president in the US.
Even clowns like Donald Fart.

 

[jurai]

He wants a pat on the back for 100 drugs getting cheaper last year, ignoring that over 3000 hiked prices.

Meanwhile, just yesterday, they once again tried to cut people with preexisting conditions out of Healthcare.


This order will just be another nothing burger.

Looks like they backed out of this plan? Even with insurance my current medications got extremely expensive for my existing condition, was on a plan that actually covered them and was paying about $20 for 3 to be filled, company switched providers and they were all denied so now it's about $350 for me to fill all 3 of them, feelsbadman

 

[cots]

Uh, never really brought up the mid-terms. I was speaking of moderates and conservatives that fear change, even change for the better.

What does our country stand for? Three branches of government? Democracy? Mostly free market capitalism? Nothing about universal healthcare is radical or against that. No more than national regulations on pollution, medicare/medicaid, social security, etc. Honestly, I so rarely know what people mean with "[what] our country stands for"? Perhaps imperialist interference in other countries, since we've being done that since day one. Subsidized products to manipulate or control other economies? General efforts to have dominion over the whole world? Really, if we just go by actions, the US stands for generally maniacal things; freedom and justice are so far down the list it's a joke if it doesn't involve people within American borders, and even then we tend to try oppress large minorities of the population (or even the majority that is women for quite a while). Oh, and let's not forget all the money fueled corruption. Maybe throw in some slavery and racism for the kicks, although we mostly replaced that with just racism.

Radicals that strive to destroy the US? They're an irrelevant minority. Radicals that could, by accident, destroy the US? Always a risk, as much as stability for stability sake can destroy a nation. Change is an inherent part of existence that if fought against blindly merely leads to self-destruction. Real moderation doesn't mean leaning towards a meaning that argues to do nothing any more than real skepticism means listening to the majority of people while ignoring all evidence. If each situation were being considered on its own merit there wouldn't be political blocks voting on social issues. People would vote for those actually following the moderate line they profess.

Yeah, you didn't bring up the mid-terms, that was another member, sorry. I'm all for universal health care, I don't think heath care is a human right, no more than that everyone needs to own a cell phone or needs an Internet connection, but I support it none the less. Saying it's a human right means that you're wrong for not supporting it, which isn't the case. I don't see people that don't want to pay for others health care as wrong, it's their money, they earned it, but personally, I'm willing to have my taxes spent on it and since I require medical care, more than some others, I can take advantage of it, therefor, it's a worthy investment.

Things change, but not always for the better. The radicals on the left and the right mainly want the implement policies that would harm our way of life, so I generally don't support most of what they stand for. I question the legality, moral standing and any sort of interference polices may have with the Constitution before considering them. I also tend to vote for things that would personally effect me or my quality of life (as opposed to stuff that a certain party pushes that would never effect me).

Selfish? Maybe, but most of the people that are bickering about policies that never effect them, in all reality, are just bickering and would not lift more than a finger to type on a keyboard to actually address the issue personally, because it doesn't personally effect them. It's just "cool" to bitch, for whatever current popular reason, but I don't really care much for what's "popular" and "cool", as I've been both of those and they never really last or work out in the long term so it's not something I'm looking for. I rather be myself and not fake and if you don't like that than I don't really care (that's sort of the point).

 

[SG854]

Pharmaceutical industry is one of the most corrupt areas i've ever seen, aynthing done against those shitheads is a good thing.
And the fact that they threaten to pull new drugs (and the fact they raise prices to insane degrees) shows that it's all about money, there's next to no humanity in that industry.

They say they will pull the introduction of new drugs which they blame expensive prices on R&D, and the U.S. pays the lions share of those costs so other countries won’t have to.


They say they pull them because they can’t afford R&D and creation of new drugs if they lower prices. And since some of these drugs are created in the U.S. this will also affect other countries also, no new drugs for them either. That’s the argument big pharma is presenting. Which you can believe them or not.

 

[seany1990]

You'd also imagine if the only people benefiting from the current administrations policies were the ruling class and the 1% that the other 99% wouldn't be voting for more moderate candidates that will keep the current system going just about the way it's currently going. I'd imagine if the rest of us were actually suffering that this would be reflected in the way we're voting, but as this isn't the case I'd say people are simply claiming the "sky is falling", when it's not.

Republicans represent the elite only, they get votes because they suppress education in southern states, pretend to care about christian values and created a culture of punching down so the real people screwing them (corporations (including big pharma obviously) and bankers) get to live their rich privileged lives in peace knowing they have an entire army of useful idiots in Alabama and Texas ready to march against their own interests when election day comes.

If you ignore how disgusting that is, it's actually quite impressive with what they've done.

 

[Doran754]

Republicans represent the elite only, they get votes because they suppress education in southern states, pretend to care about christian values and created a culture of punching down so the real people screwing them (corporations (including big pharma obviously) and bankers) get to live their rich privileged lives in peace knowing they have an entire army of useful idiots in Alabama and Texas ready to march against their own interests when election day comes.

If you ignore how disgusting that is, it's actually quite impressive with what they've done.

Something tells me you voted remain, you have this aura of "I know better than you, I'm smarter and you're a dumbass" here's a pointer, telling people they're stupid, they dont know what they voted for or generally calling them idiots who vote against their own interests won't make them change their minds.

 

[Josshy0125]

Something tells me you voted remain, you have this aura of "I know better than you, I'm smarter and you're a dumbass" here's a pointer, telling people they're stupid, they dont know what they voted for or generally calling them idiots who vote against their own interests won't make them change their minds.

While I agree with you, I'm going to be quite honest. If you voted for Trump, you're probably a dumbass, in the literal sense. At the VERY least, it's a 100% given that you voted for him with ignorance. Had one known who he was, or even anything about his election, or hell, if they had even watched one speech, or even a single quote of his, they would learn real quickly that hes a horrible human being who's not fit to even be a burger flipper.

So yes, in many ways, I believe fully that if you voted for Trump, you're not smart. If you continue to support him, you're not only not smart, but you're an asshole and an actual moron, mentally. At the VERY VERY least, its a given that if you voted for him, you know nothing about him nor politics. At the VERY least you're politically-challenged and voted for him to soothe some form of racism, bias, or just flat-out ignorance. So yeah. If you voted for trump, you're already in the "you're not very smart, are you?" Category. And that's not wrong of me to say. I feel that's an understandable assumption to make.

 

[Doran754]

While I agree with you, I'm going to be quite honest. If you voted for Trump, you're probably a dumbass, in the literal sense. At the VERY least, it's a 100% given that you voted for him with ignorance. Had one known who he was, or even anything about his election, or hell, if they had even watched one speech, or even a single quote of his, they would learn real quickly that hes a horrible human being who's not fit to even be a burger flipper.

So yes, in many ways, I believe fully that if you voted for Trump, you're not smart. If you continue to support him, you're not only not smart, but you're an asshole and an actual moron, mentally. At the VERY VERY least, its a given that if you voted for him, you know nothing about him nor politics. At the VERY least you're politically-challenged and voted for him to soothe some form of racism, bias, or just flat-out ignorance. So yeah. If you voted for trump, you're already in the "you're not very smart, are you?" Category. And that's not wrong of me to say. I feel that's an understandable assumption to make.

The fact that the UK flag is by my name and with it also saying I'm in Manchester I thought might have been a clue as to the fact that I clearly didn't vote for Trump as I'm not eligible. But please do continue telling me how I'm the stupid ignorant one.

Some of the words you used: "dumbass" "not smart", "asshole", "actual moron", "politically challenged", "racism" "flat out ignorance"

Please continue telling me how wrong I or anyone else with the "wrong opinion" is, thy bastion or moral intellect, that is if you can still see us, It's a long way down when you're looking past your nose at us.

 

[Josshy0125]

The fact that the UK flag is by my name and with it also saying I'm in Manchester I thought might have been a clue as to the fact that I clearly didn't vote for Trump as I'm not eligible. But please do continue telling me how I'm the stupid ignorant one.

I'm not saying "you" as in you, I'm stating in general.I'm from Britain too...

 

[seany1990]

Something tells me you voted remain, you have this aura of "I know better than you, I'm smarter and you're a dumbass" here's a pointer, telling people they're stupid, they dont know what they voted for or generally calling them idiots who vote against their own interests won't make them change their minds.

I did vote remain but that has nothing to do with my post. I also don't buy into this whole "My entire world-view is based on countering someone or someones saying mean things about people." The truth is what happens within the USA doesn't really concern me all that much, I have some understanding of American subculture because of how polarising Trump is and how he still has such support from a large portion of the country despite only doing 1. Golf and 2. Giving a 2 trillion dollars over 10 years tax cut to the top 1% and 3. locked up immigrants in cages.

So lets do some simple mathematics, he has roughly 40% favourability in the USA country-wide.

We will assume he gets 0% support for golf, we have 40% left to find
He gets 1% support from the wealthy who he gave the tax cut to.
So that leaves 39% from.....???? racist trash who support locking up children in concentration camps.

And you are really going to call me out for saying "mean things" about these people? Get real

 

[barronwaffles]

I did vote remain but that has nothing to do with my post. I also don't buy into this whole "My entire world-view is based on countering someone or someones saying mean things about people." The truth is what happens within the USA doesn't really concern me all that much, I have some understanding of American subculture because of how polarising Trump is and how he still has such support from a large portion of the country despite only doing 1. Golf and 2. Giving a 2 trillion dollars over 10 years tax cut to the top 1% and 3. locked up immigrants in cages.

So lets do some simple mathematics, he has roughly 40% favourability in the USA country-wide.

We will assume he gets 0% support for golf, we have 40% left to find
He gets 1% support from the wealthy who he gave the tax cut to.
So that leaves 39% from.....???? racist trash who support locking up children in concentration camps.

And you are really going to call me out for saying "mean things" about these people? Get real

It's asinine, retarded shit like this that's going to get him reelected you fucking dolt.

The base he built that got him elected in 2016 wasn't due to muh racism or other idiotic sound-byte talking points - he was seen as a possible third path by an increasingly isolated and desperate (largely white) non-metropolitan lower-middle/middle class.

Did they get jipped? Fuck yes - they nearly always do. Plenty that got overly wrapped up by the prospect of genuine 'change' (rubes still donning their MAGA hats etc...) still belong to his personality cult, but an incredibly large portion are so (further) disillusioned by the political process that it's a fantastic period for radicals to gather a following.

Exciting times ahead.

 

[mixelpixx]

If Trump were King it would work that way. He's not, so it doesn't. He doesn't control the "purse strings", that would be congress, then pass it to the senate, then the President gets it and signs it -- gubmint 101..

 

[cots]

If Trump were King it would work that way. He's not, so it doesn't. He doesn't control the "purse strings", that would be congress, then pass it to the senate, then the President gets it and signs it -- gubmint 101..

Some people blame Trump for gaining weight and claim it was also racism.