The Illegal Immigration Non-Crisis in the USA

[SG854]

They can bash Trump all they want, but they got him elected in the first place with all the free advertisement he was given during 2016. Even CNN and MSNBC aired several of his rallies without any commentary whatsoever.

You're correct that many news outlets are in business purely for profit, but that only reinforces what I stated: they're in support of the corporate status quo. If they stray too far from that, they lose sponsors and advertising.

Hilary got tons of coverage too and free advertisement for her. And Biden.

Bernie Sanders is just not out there so there’s no juicy story they can get out of him. But Trump is an easy target for that. Or Biden’s scandals. They love scandals. And all the memes that come from it.

 

[Deleted User]

With how it currently is I don't even really think news outlets (or at least ones that are looking for sheer profit alone) have one political bias, it's the one that suits best for profit in that time.

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Lets be real, many people are ignoring the real problems at the border just because they dont like how Trump has handled it. The cartel has pretty much taken over mexico, and the secret service has helped them.

So people dying is not a real problem.......... Well then I guess we should also pull the plug on granny... oh wait the healthcare industry already did it for us.

 

[invaderyoyo]

Just curious. Why would the thought of going to a "concentration camp, placing yourself and your family in harms way and submitting yourself and your family to" deplorable conditions " serve to encourage illegally crossing our border?

An intelligent person, when they do not know how to swim, will not willingly jump into water that is over their heads.

Edit: Fact: If my uncle broke the law and illegally crossed the border with his family into another country seeking a better standard of living and they were tortured and starved, I would not willingly submit my family to the same situation and I would tell all of my friends not to go there.

Most of them make it to the US. I have no actual data, but from my experience living in SoCal and being Hispanic, I'd guess that very few are caught, maybe 1 in 10 or so. The journey really sucks, but it's very doable. There are also many people who used a visa. Considering that these people live in extreme poverty, I think attempting to illegally cross makes a lot of sense from their point of view, which is why so many do it.

Imagine instead that not just one of your uncle's, but six of them actually did cross and actually did greatly improve their quality of life. Now tell your friends not to go there.

If the US wants to stop illegal immigration just jail anyone that gives them work. I really believe it's that simple.

 

[kevin corms]

With how it currently is I don't even really think news outlets (or at least ones that are looking for sheer profit alone) have one political bias, it's the one that suits best for profit in that time.

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So people dying is not a real problem.......... Well then I guess we should also pull the plug on granny.

Google and facebook have a monopoly on information these days, Google seems to push more left wing ideas at the moment because they see it as a path to start their utopian cities.

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With how it currently is I don't even really think news outlets (or at least ones that are looking for sheer profit alone) have one political bias, it's the one that suits best for profit in that time.

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So people dying is not a real problem.......... Well then I guess we should also pull the plug on granny... oh wait the healthcare industry already did it for us.

What kind of straw man argument is this? I reject that statement, try saying something that makes sense. This border issue isnt simply a Trump issue, more and more people are coming to the border and somebody needs to step up and come up with a real plan.

 

[Deleted User]

Google and facebook have a monopoly on information these days, Google seems to push more left wing ideas at the moment because they see it as a path to start their utopian cities.

So why is the reason they haven't been broken up.... oh right
PROFIT
why? Because our government is broken.

 

[Xzi]

Hilary got tons of coverage too and free advertisement for her. And Biden.

Precisely, because both of them were/are good insurance policies to reinforce the corporate status quo. They're center-left at best.

Bernie Sanders is just not out there so there’s no juicy story they can get out of him. But Trump is an easy target for that. Or Biden’s scandals. They love scandals. And all the memes that come from it.

Bernie draws crowds and viewers, but the reason MSM doesn't like him because he uses only individual donors and stays away from corporate money. Therefore they know he's not beholden to corporate interests like almost every other politician.

 

[Lacius]

Conflate isn't a synonym for confuse just so you know. Using big words to try to appear smart usually has the opposite effect.

Conflate is the word I meant to use.

Trying to change the subject doesn't impress me.

 

[kevin corms]

So why is the reason they haven't been broken up.... oh right
PROFIT
why? Because our government is broken.

With Google it goes way beyond profit, they actually use their information monopoly to "prove" whatever point they want in court. Many times they just pay huge fines and continue on as well.

 

[Deleted User]

Google and facebook have a monopoly on information these days, Google seems to push more left wing ideas at the moment because they see it as a path to start their utopian cities.

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What kind of straw man argument is this? I reject that statement, try saying something that makes sense. This border issue isnt simply a Trump issue, more and more people are coming to the border and somebody needs to step up and come up with a real plan.

It's not a strawman. Pay attention to sub-context. There are industries that profit on other people's suffering. Who would profit off a broken health care system. Companies. Who profits over having immigration issues? Companies, and that also makes a good news story, just so happens to fit also for companies. No one is going to do what is right. Because their pockets are lined.

 

[kevin corms]

Precisely, because both of them were/are good insurance policies to reinforce the corporate status quo. They're center-left at best.


Bernie draws crowds and viewers, but the reason MSM doesn't like him because he uses only individual donors and stays away from corporate money. Therefore they know he's not beholden to corporate interests like almost every other politician.

There are many reasons MSM dosnt like Bernie, but the biggest is because hes anti war.

 

[Deleted User]

With Google it goes way beyond profit, they actually use their information monopoly to "prove" whatever point they want in court. Many times they just pay huge fines and continue on as well.

Yes and let me describe it again. Why hasn't that been fixed.
Right. Companies. We live in unchecked capitalism right now. there is a lack of regulation. I'm not just pointing my finger at trump if you figured it out yet.

 

[kevin corms]

It's not a strawman. Pay attention to sub-context. There are industries that profit on other people's suffering. Who would profit off a broken health care system. Companies. Who profits over having immigration issues? Companies, and that also makes a good news story, just so happens to fit also for companies. No one is going to do what is right. Because their pockets are lined.

It is a straw man when you try to say I want to let people die. i dont even want to point the finger at anyone because to be honest the problem is combination from both sides and their inability to come up with any kind of real solution. All the democrats and republicans are doing is trying to make the others look bad, not much concern about the actual people involved (and that includes the men and women who work at the border).

 

[Xzi]

There are many reasons MSM dosnt like Bernie, but the biggest is because hes anti war.

The billionaires hate him for speaking the truth about economic inequality, so the MSM hates him because they're owned by the billionaires. It's as simple as that.

 

[Deleted User]

And I don't mean socialism is a good alternative at all. We just need regulation to be fixed. (along with where the hell the budget is going)

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It is a straw man when you try to say I want to let people die. i dont even want to point the finger at anyone because to be honest the problem is combination from both sides and their inability to come up with any kind of real solution. All the democrats and republicans are doing is trying to make the others look bad, not much concern about the actual people involved (and that includes the men and women who work at the border).

Yes while simultaneously calling people dying at the border not a real problem. Kind of see the hypocrisy there?
I could of worded it a bit better. But still it's hypocritical to say that's not a issue.

 

[kevin corms]

And I don't mean socialism is a good alternative at all. We just need regulation to be fixed. (along with where the hell the budget is going)

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Yes while simultaneously calling people dying at the border not a real problem. Kind of see the hypocrisy there?

Thats another straw man, I said no such thing. People have been dying at the border (and on the way to it) for decades, Trump was just the first one in power to get real loud about it even if he is handling it all wrong.

 

[zomborg]

We owe it to ourselves to become the shining city on a hill we've always proclaimed to be, rather than regress into 1930s Germany. Israel has nothing to do with our own domestic policy decisions, and they're certainly not setting the type of example we should be following with Netanyahu.


Nonsense. If there are jobs available for them as illegals, and there are, then there are certainly jobs available for them as citizens. In return they pay taxes and help prop up the economy with buying power like any other group of workers. If as a country "we're full," somebody definitely forgot to tell Wyoming.

Having the land mass for more people to live on is different from having the resources to support more people. People may argue and try to say that we still have plenty of resources to support an ever enlarging population but to hear the environmentalists talk, we are using our resources up at a rate we cannot sustain.
There is much to be said for being a wise steward with the resources we have. If we wait until it's too late there will not be anything we can do. A prime example is Mexico. They do not have the resources to support their population so citizens seek somewhere else to live. Yes they've never had an abundance of resources but we do not want to be unwise and end up with a land that can't support the population.
Where do we turn then?

 

[Deleted User]

Lets be real, many people are ignoring the real problems at the border just because they dont like how Trump has handled it. The cartel has pretty much taken over mexico, and the secret service has helped them.

So in other words. People dying at the border is not a problem.

 

[Deleted-401606]

They can bash Trump all they want, but they got him elected in the first place with all the free advertisement he was given during 2016. Even CNN and MSNBC aired several of his rallies without any commentary whatsoever. They ignored everything Bernie did back then too.

You're correct that many news outlets are in business purely for profit, but that only reinforces what I stated: they're in support of the corporate status quo. If they stray too far from that, they lose sponsors and advertising.

They got him elected because they thought that the negative publicity on Trump was going to deter people from voting for him. They made a mistake assuming that they would be able to defeat the Great Donald Trump at a publicity game. You can't out pizza the hut.

 

[kevin corms]

So in other words. People dying at the border is not a problem.

How do you get that out of what I said?

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They got him elected because they thought that the negative publicity on Trump was going to deter people from voting for him. They made a mistake assuming that they would be able to defeat the Great Donald Trump at a publicity game. You can't out pizza the hut.

He won because he ran against one of the worst candidates in history, people basically said you know what... I would rather an orange bafoon in the office before Hillary Clinton.

 

[Deleted User]

Lets be real, many people are ignoring the real problems at the border just because they dont like how Trump has handled it. The cartel has pretty much taken over mexico, and the secret service has helped them.

This implies that the problems at the border we have right now are not real problems. Maybe you meant something else, but with how it was worded, it does imply that.