The Illegal Immigration Non-Crisis in the USA

[SG854]

It was not the policy of the Obama administration to separate children from parents at the border. There are times it still happened, usually because the child was suspected to be in danger, but it wasn't the policy across the board as it has been under Trump. Now CBP and ICE are the danger to these children because they either lose track of the parents, sexually assault these children in custody, or in several cases, let them die in custody.

It was the policy before Trump came in of the 9th circuit courts that ruled it in-humane to keep kids and parents in jail holding cells in the Reno V. Flores case 1993.


And they can’t be released to anyone other then a parent or guardian. So if the maybe parents is in jail for illegally coming in the country then the children are placed in a children’s detention center until the parents hearing. To verify that the kids aren’t victims of child trafficking and to verify they are actually the real parents.

 

[Lacius]

And children had horrible conditions during Obama Administration as with also Trump Administration.

There was no child separation policy under Obama. Children weren't dying under Obama. Children weren't being denied basic necessities under Obama.

Also, the lie that "Obama did it too" wouldn't do anything to absolve the Trump administration if it were true.

Edit: Also, this doesn't address my question of why you were talking to me about deportations in the first place.

 

[SG854]

There was no child separation policy under Obama. Children weren't dying under Obama. Children weren't being denied basic necessities under Obama.

Also, the lie that "Obama did it too" wouldn't do anything to absolve the Trump administration if it were true.

I never said anything about Obama doing it too to absolving anything under Trump administration.

I gave you a link of thousands of documents from the ACLU collected from the freedom of information act of wide spread child abuse during Obama’s era.

 

[Lacius]

I never said anything about Obama doing it too to absolving anything under Trump administration.

I gave you a link of thousand of document from the ACLU collects form the freedom of information act of wide spread child abuse during Obama’s era.

If I condemn the Trump administration, posting "Obama did it too" is pointless unless your intention is to absolve the Trump administration.

Also, as I already said, there was no child separation policy under Obama. Children weren't dying under Obama. Children weren't being denied basic necessities under Obama.

I asked why you were talking to me about deportations, and you don't seem to be able to answer me.

 

[SG854]

If so condemn the Trump administration, posting "Obama did it too" is pointless unless your intention is to absolve the Trump administration.

Also, as I already said, there was no child separation policy under Obama. Children weren't dying under Obama. Children weren't being denied basic necessities under Obama.

I asked why you were talking to me about deportations, and you don't seem to be able to answer me.

I was just addressing a point that someone saying conditions weren’t bad under Obama is not true. That is all. There is no hidden thing or other intention besides that.

There was a child separation policy under Obama, and it was there before Obama came in.


And I already gave you an answer to the last point. It was just to add things weren’t also good under Obama. It was just extra added information that is all. That’s just how I like doing things because other people are reading.

There’s no need to take it directly to yourself, as a criticism of something you didn’t say. And let’s say I didn’t have a point to saying it. What exactly are you trying to get at? And how will that debunk or whatever your intention is to keep on pressing on it? It’s not really a big deal, for just for a little extra information I like to add.

 

[Xzi]

I was just addressing a point that someone saying conditions weren’t bad under Obama is not true. That is all.

Except conditions weren't nearly as bad under Obama, as the agencies were running far more efficiently. Families would spend a maximum of two weeks in detainment before being deported or having their asylum hearings. Under Trump the average time in detainment has gone up by a number of months, and the private companies overseeing detainment are providing minimal care in order to maximize profits.

 

[Lacius]

I was just addressing a point that someone saying conditions weren’t bad under Obama is not true. That is all. There is no hidden thing or other intention besides that.

There was a child separation policy under Obama, and it was there before Obama came in.


And I already gave you an answer to the last point. It was just to add things weren’t also good under Obama. It was just extra added information that is all. That’s just how I like doing things because other people are reading.

There’s no need to take it directly to yourself, as a criticism of something you didn’t say. And let’s say I didn’t have a point to saying it. What exactly are you trying to get at? And how will that debunk or whatever your intention is to keep on pressing on it? It’s not really a big deal, for just for a little extra information I like to add.

There was no child separation policy under Obama. This false narrative needs to die.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

How is there money to be made? The government pays the companies?

 

[Xzi]

How is there money to be made? The government pays the companies?

Yes, the Trump administration has given out contracts to private companies who either built detainment centers or repurposed existing buildings to use as detainment centers. The facilities are completely insufficient for this purpose, however, and in most there are maybe 3-4 showers for 1000+ detainees. Most other basic needs are going unfulfilled too.

 

[zomborg]

I think something we tend to forget and that we do not need to lose sight of, is the fact that regardless of who is sitting in the presidents chair and regardless of how our government (past and present administrations) handles the aliens illegally crossing our border, it is first and foremost the responsibility of the parents who are unlawfully bringing those children over here.

They are the ones placing them in harms way.

 

[Xzi]

I think something we tend to forget and that we do not need to lose sight of, is the fact that regardless of who is sitting in the presidents chair and regardless of how our government (past and present administrations) handles the aliens illegally crossing our border, it is first and foremost the responsibility of the parents who are unlawfully bringing those children over here.

They are the ones placing them in harms way.

Bullshit. The US government is placing them in harm's way, by design, in order to serve the profit motive. Not to mention we're spending way more locking them up than it would cost to place them in temporary shelters/homes. The only reason to continue this practice is out of sheer malice.

 

[zomborg]

Bullshit. The US government is placing them in harm's way, by design, in order to serve the profit motive. Not to mention we're spending way more locking them up than it would cost to place them in temporary shelters/homes. The only reason to continue this practice is out of sheer malice.

If our government intends to inflict harm upon these illegal aliens, even though that is a bad thing, maybe it will serve as encouragement to not cross our border illegally. A hard lesson is sometimes the most effective deterrent.

 

[Lacius]

If our government intends to inflict harm upon these illegal aliens, even though that is a bad thing, maybe it will serve as encouragement to not cross our border illegally. A hard lesson is sometimes the most effective deterrent.

1. Our government has no excuse inflicting harm on innocent children, regardless of whether or not their parents have technically broken the law.
2. Many of the people we are talking about are legitimate asylum seekers who have not broken the law.
3. The policies of the Trump administration, specifically the child separation policy, were created to do as much harm as possible to serve as a disincentive and to rally the conservative base, not as punishments for breaking the law.

 

[zomborg]

1. Our government has no excuse inflicting harm on innocent children, regardless of whether or not their parents have technically broken the law.
2. Many of the people we are talking about are legitimate asylum seekers who have not broken the law.
3. The policies of the Trump administration, specifically the child separation policy, were created to do as much harm as possible to serve as a disincentive and to rally the conservative base, not as punishments for breaking the law.

Even IF your words are true. It may still provide a valuable lesson for future illegals. They may decide it's not worth the risk

 

[Xzi]

If our government intends to inflict harm upon these illegal aliens, even though that is a bad thing, maybe it will serve as encouragement to not cross our border illegally. A hard lesson is sometimes the most effective deterrent.

So far, the opposite is being proven true: hard-line immigration stances only manage to drive the rate of illegal immigration up. It certainly doesn't help that we've cut off aid to most South American countries in the midst of their economic and governmental crises.

As I said previously, things are working as intended. Trump supporters get to cheer for the concentration camps and pretend that they're an effective deterrent, while at the same time, more than enough illegals are still getting past the border to provide businesses and corporations with cheap labor. The racism and xenophobia keep us divided and keep the focus off of all the crimes happening at the top, in plain sight.

 

[zomborg]

So far, the opposite is being proven true: hard-line immigration stances only manage to drive the rate of illegal immigration up. It certainly doesn't help that we've cut off aid to most South American countries in the midst of their economic and governmental crises.

As I said previously, things are working as intended. Trump supporters get to cheer for the concentration camps and pretend that they're an effective deterrent, while at the same time, more than enough illegals are still getting past the border to provide businesses and corporations with cheap labor. The racism and xenophobia keep us divided and keep the focus off of all the crimes happening at the top, in plain sight.

Just curious. Why would the thought of going to a "concentration camp, placing yourself and your family in harms way and submitting yourself and your family to" deplorable conditions " serve to encourage illegally crossing our border?

An intelligent person, when they do not know how to swim, will not willingly jump into water that is over their heads.

Edit: Fact: If my uncle broke the law and illegally crossed the border with his family into another country seeking a better standard of living and they were tortured and starved, I would not willingly submit my family to the same situation and I would tell all of my friends not to go there.

 

[Xzi]

Just curious. Why would the thought of going to a "concentration camp, placing yourself and your family in harms way and submitting yourself and your family to" deplorable conditions " serve to encourage illegally crossing our border?

Several possible reasons.

1. There's a chance they won't be caught.
2. Staying in their home countries puts their families at more risk than potentially being caught.
3. Coyotes can exploit the fear that people like Trump will 'shut down' the border entirely.
4. As I've stated several times, there are tons of employment opportunities in the US for illegals.

The US has been built on cheap/slave labor. Mexicans and Asians are just the latest in a long line of groups we've exploited to get our fix. There have always been people willing to perform mental gymnastics in order to justify it, but it's not any more justifiable now than it was with the Irish. Morally and ethically, this country is regressing under Trump.

 

[Lacius]

Even IF your words are true. It may still provide a valuable lesson for future illegals. They may decide it's not worth the risk

1. That is a despicable reason. There's a special place in Hell for people who torture and irreparably harm children in the name of reducing immigration numbers.
2. It doesn't dissuade immigration. See below.
3. You should look into the conditions many of the asylum seekers are fleeing.

 

[Deleted-401606]

There was no child separation policy under Obama. This false narrative needs to die.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

You are right, Obama had the children locked up in the same area as viscous criminals. Stop being brainwashed by the liberal media and learn to think by yourself.

 

[Lacius]

You are right, Obama had the children locked up in the same area as viscous criminals. Stop being brainwashed by the liberal media and learn to think by yourself.

1. I don't think you mean viscous criminals.
2. Don't conflate immigrants with vicious criminals. Stop being brainwashed by the conservative media and learn to think for yourself.