ROM Hack Question Collection of Mana, extracting Trials of Mana ROM from collection?

[Crusatyr]

Can't speak for anyone else but archival purposes for me.

Isn't the point of "archiving" to preserve stuff in it's original form?

 

[AnotherAlternative]

Isn't the point of "archiving" to preserve stuff in it's original form?

Yes, why else would it be worth dumping the rom of star fox 2 and now trials of mana since in the end it's a snes/sfc game that is just being run through a custom emulator.

 

[DocKlokMan]

Not to be rude, but extracting the rom to pirate it sounds like a lot more work than just pirating it, so why not just do the second?

Because this is the first time this ROM has ever been released. You can't go pirate it somewhere else. It only exists inside this game.

 

[Crusatyr]

Yes, why else would it be worth dumping the rom of star fox 2 and now trials of mana since in the end it's a snes/sfc game that is just being run through a custom emulator.

Dude, you're on a forum dedicated to Switch hacking where a vast majority of it's users pirate games. "Why else would I want to archive it?" you ask? I think the answer is simple, there's nothing wrong with admitting to be a pirate. "Archiving" is such a lame excuse.

Because this is the first time this ROM has ever been released. You can't go pirate it somewhere else. It only exists inside this game.

I quite agree, so why not pirate it on the Switch? I mean, you have to pirate it anyway to get the nsp to extract the rom out of it anyway, so why not just install the file and enjoy your game?

 

[AnotherAlternative]

Dude, you're on a forum dedicated to Switch hacking where a vast majority of it's users pirate games. "Why else would I want to archive it?" you ask? I think the answer is simple, there's nothing wrong with admitting to be a pirate. "Archiving" is such a lame excuse.

How is it an excuse? I archive undubs, fan translations and uncensored modded version of games released on many platforms since it's the only way for me to play them in the future.
Should I have said instead, I want to see how it compares to the fan translation and whether or not I want to add it to my collection of games I want to keep so I can replay them in the future? Since that can be easily summerized as archiving to me honestly.

Not sure why you're insinuating in a thread about dumping a snes/sfc rom that I said it's bad, wrong, immoral etc to pirate games, I want a proper dump of tom as much as everyone here.

 

[DocKlokMan]

Dude, you're on a forum dedicated to Switch hacking where a vast majority of it's users pirate games. "Why else would I want to archive it?" you ask? I think the answer is simple, there's nothing wrong with admitting to be a pirate. "Archiving" is such a lame excuse.


I quite agree, so why not pirate it on the Switch? I mean, you have to pirate it anyway to get the nsp to extract the rom out of it anyway, so why not just install the file and enjoy your game?

You don’t need to pirate the game to dump its contents. You can extract NSPs from legitimately installed games or use a RomFS browser to extract just the needed file. Anyway, as to why, it’s an SNES game and some people may want to play it using the original controllers or on their SNES mini or through a better emulator than the one built into the Switch game. Or some people may not even have a Switch and would like to play it. There’s lots of reasons to extract it.

 

[lahma]

How is it an excuse? I archive undubs, fan translations and uncensored modded version of games released on many platforms since it's the only way for me to play them in the future.

Not sure why you're insinuating in a thread about dumping a snes/sfc rom that I said it's bad, wrong, immoral etc to pirate games, I want a proper dump of tom as much as everyone here.

Some people will argue about anything... I'm not sure what is so offensive about wanting to extract a new/updated/previously-unreleased rom from a Switch title... nor why it is so inconceivable that someone might want to play it an another platform other than their Switch...
Edit: Obviously, this wasn't directed at you 'AnotherAlternative' but rather the previous poster who appears to be perplexed as to why someone would want to extract this rom.

 

[Crusatyr]

Anyway, as to why, it’s an SNES game and some people may want to play it using the original controllers or on their SNES mini or through a better emulator than the one built into the Switch game. Or some people may not even have a Switch and would like to play it. There’s lots of reasons to extract it.

Software piracy is defined as "the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work." Perhaps you are right and that the file was legitimately purchased and dumped, but the examples of uses you provided all fall under that definition of piracy.

Some people will argue about anything... I'm not sure what is so offensive about wanting to extract a new/updated/previously-unreleased rom from a Switch title... nor why it is so inconceivable that someone might want to play it an another platform other than their Switch...
Edit: Obviously, this wasn't directed at you 'AnotherAlternative' but rather the previous poster who appears to be perplexed as to why someone would want to extract this rom.

I just want people to admit it when they are pirating. Is that wrong of me?

 

[jurai]

I checked the thread and this dump has debug messages appearing in them, it's playable but I think it's best to make a dump without them.


Can't speak for anyone else but archival purposes for me.

what debug messages? played a tiny but but didn't see any yet, im using sk3_a

 

[Liriel]

Mmh i dont see nothing too.


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[Liriel]

Software piracy is defined as "the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work." Perhaps you are right and that the file was legitimately purchased and dumped, but the examples of uses you provided all fall under that definition of piracy.


I just want people to admit it when they are pirating. Is that wrong of me?

Pirating? When User want to play it on the original Hardware or the Mini snes System?
I will Have it on the retro console that i Use and on the switch too

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[AnotherAlternative]

@lahma, no problems.

what debug messages? played a tiny but but didn't see any yet, im using sk3_a

Mmh i dont see nothing too.


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If you play through the switch game then it runs normally but the 4chan dump contains debug messages that the dumper didn't remove, haven't run into one yet but they stated it is there.

 

[Liriel]

The Show me the debug Message!
How it Looks?

And i Have the 4chan dump.

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[AnotherAlternative]

I haven't run into one yet but the dumper themselves said it's there, didn't post an image but I'm sure you'll run into it eventually.
I'm not sure if I can link the thread it's in since it would be easier to ask them since I haven't seen anyone run into one yet in the thread.

 

[Liriel]

Or is this color that sometimes to See it?
Here on the right of the Text window

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[AnotherAlternative]

Well this was posted in the thread so I'm assuming you can trigger this line somewhere in the game.

Also, I'm not saying don't play the 4chan dump, I'm playing it myself, just keep in mind it wouldn't qualify as a proper dump since it contains things not meant to be there. It's still impressive to have one so soon though.

 

[jurai]

there are two different dumps on 4chan atm, one of them has some sort of debug information still in it, intro crawl is in Japanese, title screen is incomplete / 'of' is misaligned, and may not be the final script

the sk3_a one appears to have no debug info

MD5's for reference:

56e9cb9b39f11dee22ddd817aeeaedc8 Trials of Mana (Debug).smc
c9829d76e25f8c4bf459cf77a8306825 Trials of Mana (sk3_a).smc

 

[AnotherAlternative]

Thanks for that, sk3_a was posted earlier before it got snipped.
I'm assuming the one from catbox is the debug one, not sure which thread sk3_a is from sadly.

 

[Liriel]

They link now a archive with all roms from the collection.
The german version Looks fine.

OK mystic Quest and Secret of Mana exist since Release of the cartridge in german.
But sd3 in german can be better Then the Fan Translation.

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[Crusatyr]

Pirating? When User want to play it on the original Hardware or the Mini snes System?
I will Have it on the retro console that i Use and on the switch too

Yeah, there isn't really a lot of wiggle room in that definition, and the whole "It's fine to pirate games from old consoles because Ninty isn't making money from it" doesn't apply when Ninty literally JUST released a never-before-released game in the west. So, yeah. If you're gonna pirate, just say it. Pirates with "morals" are the worst kind.