The benefits of Brexit - the future of the United Kingdom

[notimp]

Guy Verhofstadt (Brexit negotiator, EU) had another camera team with him (Thats actually a first - usually you go by Chatham House rules). This time its more the very obviously public facing part of the Brexit negotiations on the EU side, so more spin - more 'human interest' side of the story.

Arte has it available in german and french only this time - no english subtitles available.
https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/078744-000-A/hinter-den-kulissen-des-brexit/

Most interesting part for me is their relationship to the press.
If you don't know how negotiations are held its an interesting learning piece as well.

The one argument, that the EU would have to set up the north irish border, if a hard brexit was triggered - we also had in this thread, turned out to be a red line for EU negotiations.

So EU would have gone to the press and told them - negotiations are finished, the british want to make us appear as if we want borders in europe. Its their making.

Thats how you repeal such a gambit. Found that interesting.

 

[Viri]

Australia right wing party won

Oh man, the salt on Twitter when that happened was such a blast to read.

Spoiler

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Witt/status/1130028775486496769?s=19

Enjoy!

 

[Doran754]

Oh man, the salt on Twitter when that happened was such a blast to read.

Spoiler

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Witt/status/1130028775486496769?s=19

Enjoy!

That thread was amazing. I love it, It's always the tolerant peaceful ones wishing death upon those who they disagree with politically, quite striking really. Can't wait for the EU election results tonight. The result in Australia, TBP going to wipe the floor with everyone in the UK, hopefully Tommy Robinson gets his seat, MLP vs Macron in France. 5 star set to become the biggest party in the whole of europe, right wing populism is on the rise and the lefties and the media still dont understand why. Speaking of Tommy Robinson, theres already been election interference.



But you know the lefty liberals, "It's okay when we do it"

 

[notimp]

If you can swallow snark. Now the EU is supposed to make them stay on track on the Paris climate agreements through trade negotiations.

Great. *sarc*

But as for the first government that didnt vote pro climate change feel good recession aside from the US, its still interesting to disect.

If you want to make a people on twitter are such loosers story out of it, you have still not understood politics.. Hint, its in the name. Politics.

 

[SG854]

Oh man, the salt on Twitter when that happened was such a blast to read.

Spoiler

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Witt/status/1130028775486496769?s=19

Enjoy!

That thread was amazing. I love it, It's always the tolerant peaceful ones wishing death upon those who they disagree with politically, quite striking really. Can't wait for the EU election results tonight. The result in Australia, TBP going to wipe the floor with everyone in the UK, hopefully Tommy Robinson gets his seat, MLP vs Macron in France. 5 star set to become the biggest party in the whole of europe, right wing populism is on the rise and the lefties and the media still dont understand why. Speaking of Tommy Robinson, theres already been election interference.



But you know the lefty liberals, "It's okay when we do it"

the TOLERANT LEFT. Let’s throw milkshakes at Nigel Farage.

There is a study that says Democrats from the U.S. were faking being overly upset and faking having mental distress about Trump being president to virtue signal. To show loyalty to their party. This is one study so take it with a grain of salt but interesting.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/study-...istress-after-trump-election-were-full-of-it/



Chelsea Handler a comic, went to see a psychiatrist because Trump became president. That Trump was robbing her of her “happiness”. I swear to God I’m not making this up. People are becoming depressed and suicidal. Jesus, they need reevaluate their lives, tune out of politics, take a breather, and get a hobby or something if this distress is real. Don’t worry, it’s going to be ok. This is the same thing going on in Australia where people think the world is going to end.

 

[Viri]

the TOLERANT LEFT. Let’s throw milkshakes at Nigel Farage.

You shouldn't throw things at people you disagree with. Use your words, don't throw things at people! Boo them, don't throw things at people!

I didn't follow the whole milk shake thing, but I'm just going to assume that the people throwing things at Nigel made him out to be a sympathetic figure to others, and probably got him even more votes. Also, if you throw something at a major figure to shut them up, you're just going to cause a "Streisand effect". Come on, you'd think people would be aware of this by now.

 

[SG854]

You shouldn't throw things at people you disagree with. Use your words, don't throw things at people! Boo them, don't throw things at people!

I didn't follow the whole milk shake thing, but I'm just going to assume that the people throwing things at Nigel made him out to be a sympathetic figure to others, and probably got him even more votes. Also, if you throw something at a major figure to shut them up, you're just going to cause a "Streisand effect". Come on, you'd think people would be aware of this by now.

You’d think they’d be aware but NOT! Just like the egg boy in Australia. When have they ever learned.

Racist this, racist that, racism is everywhere and on the rise! Oh My God!



They made this big deal about a supposed giant KKK rally in Ohio and we need to stop them! Guess how many people showed up? 9 total. Not even double digits.

Guess how many people showed up to protest? 600. And Guess how much they spent on security? $650,000! Gotta stop those 9 people.

It’s the same like the rally last year where like about 12 showed up. It’s a recurring theme. KKK is literal dead. No one likes them or cares about them. But they act like they’re everywhere, it’s the stupid media’s fault for this. They do this for Australia and for Brexit also. This is why they are loosing. Calling everything racist without actually addressing points the other side brings is a loosing strategy. They are being over dramatic.

 

[Viri]

They made this big deal about a supposed giant KKK rally in Ohio and we need to stop them! Guess how many people showed up? 9 total. Not even double digits.

Guess how many people showed up to protest? 600. And Guess how much they spent on security? $650,000! Gotta stop those 9 people.

It’s the same like the rally last year where like about 12 showed up. It’s a recurring theme. KKK is literal dead.

A real white supremacist wouldn't even join the KKK nowadays, because it's just a CIA/FBI honey pot, lol.

 

[SG854]

A real white supremacist wouldn't even join the KKK nowadays, because it's just a CIA/FBI honey pot, lol.

It’ll be like saying, “I have this magic rock, It keeps tigers away from where I live.” Then a person responds, “that’s stupid, there was never any tigers where you lived at all”. Then I say, “see the magic rock works”.

I have these CIA/FBI and 600 protesters and that keeps the KKK from getting big. KKK is small, see it works!

 

[Doran754]

It’ll be like saying, “I have this magic rock, It keeps tigers away from where I live.” Then a person responds, “that’s stupid, there was never any tigers where you lived at all”. Then I say, “see the magic rock works”.

I have these CIA/FBI and 600 protesters and that keeps the KKK from getting big. KKK is small, see it works!

You definitely watched the simpsons recently.

 

[SG854]

You definitely watched the simpsons recently.

Lol. I’ve seen that Bear Patrol episode.

Homer: The Bear pays the Bear tax. I pay the Homer tax.

Lisa: Dad, it’s the Home Owners Tax.



Actually I just copied some else that used this same point. But I did see that episode.

 

[Xzi]

So it looks like Boris Johnson is the favorite to be picked as new prime minister? Not picked by the people of course, just the aristocracy already in place. And he obviously hasn't got a fucking clue, seemingly making a no-deal Brexit a lot more likely to happen. Makes me appreciate even the archaic electoral college system a bit more; at least when our president fucks us over we know we mostly did it to ourselves.

 

[Taleweaver]

So it looks like Boris Johnson is the favorite to be picked as new prime minister? Not picked by the people of course, just the aristocracy already in place. And he obviously hasn't got a fucking clue, seemingly making a no-deal Brexit a lot more likely to happen. Makes me appreciate even the archaic electoral college system a bit more; at least when our president fucks us over we know we mostly did it to ourselves.

Erm... He is the public favorite, yes. But like you mention : it doesn't work like that. There's a short of knock out of candidates until only 2 remain. Then everyone of... A part of government (the house? Commons? I can't recall) has to vote on one of those.

I'd wait until that process is done. Perhaps he doesn't want a no deal, but saying that if he doesn't get better conditions than negotiated, he won't pay the EU its dues.

So basically : it's going to be a no deal brexit with him in charge. I mean... He's parroting that idea from Donald Trump of all people.

 

[Doran754]

Erm... He is the public favorite, yes. But like you mention : it doesn't work like that. There's a short of knock out of candidates until only 2 remain. Then everyone of... A part of government (the house? Commons? I can't recall) has to vote on one of those.

I'd wait until that process is done. Perhaps he doesn't want a no deal, but saying that if he doesn't get better conditions than negotiated, he won't pay the EU its dues.

So basically : it's going to be a no deal brexit with him in charge. I mean... He's parroting that idea from Donald Trump of all people.

It goes to the 100k conservative members to vote on when it's down to two. Could be better systems I agree, there's worse though. It somehow wasn't a problem when Gordon Brown walked into the job because Tony Blair quit though? Now all of a sudden it's a problem. Also, the EU isn't "due" anything. Nearly every lawyer unanimously agrees we legally owe them nothing. Morally is a different argument, ask Macron about morals, talking about how the U.K would be 'defaulting' if we don't pay is absurd. We've only just finished paying the USA reperations so we could free his country from tyranny, how quickly memories fade.

So it looks like Boris Johnson is the favorite to be picked as new prime minister? Not picked by the people of course, just the aristocracy already in place. And he obviously hasn't got a fucking clue, seemingly making a no-deal Brexit a lot more likely to happen. Makes me appreciate even the archaic electoral college system a bit more; at least when our president fucks us over we know we mostly did it to ourselves.

Why doesn't he have a clue? What's he said that makes you think he can't do the job. There wasn't kids knifing each other in London daily when he was the mayor. Or is it because he seems to actually believe in Britain, a PM with a backbone who doesn't go begging to brussels doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.

 

[Taleweaver]

Also, the EU isn't "due" anything. Nearly every lawyer unanimously agrees we legally owe them nothing.

... You just made that up, right?

Look: as long as brexit isn't happened, you are part of the EU. The EU has programs. These cost money, and until the government dismissed each and every one of them, there will remain at least somewhat of a bill.

Of course brexiteers don't want to pay it. Similar like you or I don't want to pay taxes, but love walking on the streets others people taxes pay for.

 

[Doran754]

... You just made that up, right?

Look: as long as brexit isn't happened, you are part of the EU. The EU has programs. These cost money, and until the government dismissed each and every one of them, there will remain at least somewhat of a bill.

Of course brexiteers don't want to pay it. Similar like you or I don't want to pay taxes, but love walking on the streets others people taxes pay for.

No I didn't make it up, do some research, legally you aren't owed a penny whether you like it or not. Obligations mean nothing in law. Everything you said means nothing, do you buy a car on money promised by someone before you have the money? We can both use daft analogies. You've already threatened to kick us out of gallaleio satellite project even though we basically paid for it, stop acting like the victim it's boring.

 

[Xzi]

Why doesn't he have a clue? What's he said that makes you think he can't do the job.

You mean other than all the lies he told to sell Brexit in the first place? He abandoned the leave campaign as soon as the vote was passed. That doesn't exactly show confidence in his own position. He also looks like he's related to Canada's Rob Ford, and appears to have the same crack habit too. Finding a better barber might help a little bit, but it won't fix his one weird eye. I hate to focus too much on aesthetics, but his overall demeanor gives the impression that he should be wearing a helmet indoors.

 

[FAST6191]

Obligations mean nothing in law. Everything you said means nothing, do you buy a car on money promised by someone before you have the money? We can both use daft analogies.

"Obligations mean nothing"
So it is a gentlemen's agreement? So much for being a nation of gentlemen I guess.

As for the car thing... that would be a pretty accurate description of preauthorised credit, something most people have to seek before big purchases like cars and houses, or at least would be considered extremely wise to do so (don't walk into a negotiation from an inferior position and all that). In big business dealing with futures then you do also have the likes of arbitrage wherein future prices are agreed upon regardless of what the market ultimately ends up paying for it (higher or lower).

As for next PM then the following video (about 45 seconds if you want to skip) covers how it works.

 

[Doran754]

You mean other than all the lies he told to sell Brexit in the first place? He abandoned the leave campaign as soon as the vote was passed. That doesn't exactly show confidence in his own position. He also looks like he's related to Canada's Rob Ford, and appears to have the same crack habit too. Finding a better barber might help a little bit, but it won't fix his one weird eye. I hate to focus too much on aesthetics, but his overall demeanor gives the impression that he should be wearing a helmet indoors.

He should stay on the leave campaign after the campaign was over is the point you're making? oh I see, you're mad and don't want him to be PM because he looks funny with a weird eye. I thought the left had the moral highground in everything.

"Obligations mean nothing"
So it is a gentlemen's agreement? So much for being a nation of gentlemen I guess.

As for the car thing... that would be a pretty accurate description of preauthorised credit, something most people have to seek before big purchases like cars and houses, or at least would be considered extremely wise to do so (don't walk into a negotiation from an inferior position and all that). In big business dealing with futures then you do also have the likes of arbitrage wherein future prices are agreed upon regardless of what the market ultimately ends up paying for it (higher or lower).

As for next PM then the following video (about 45 seconds if you want to skip) covers how it works.

As for "the car thing" most companies won't allow you to make a purchase for 7 years in advance, we can go back and forth on bad analogies but the underlying point is, backed up by the remainer house of lords, that legally a penny isn't owed. If you find this so abhorrent feel free to pay more vat, I'm pretty sure you can write to HM gov and ask them to tax you more. Legally you're not required too but you know, be a gentleman. Of course the EU is welcome to cry about it, take the u.k to court etc etc, goodluck with that. I'vr no intention of watching TLDR again. I realised months ago it's yet another bias boring lefty channel that claims to have impartiality (like the BBC) but it really doesn't.

 

[Xzi]

He should stay on the leave campaign after the campaign was over is the point you're making? oh I see, you're mad and don't want him to be PM because he looks funny with a weird eye. I thought the left had the moral highground in everything.

The work obviously wasn't complete, and he could've had a hand in crafting a Brexit deal which would've been acceptable for the pro-Brexit crowd. Instead he ditched because he knew there was no plan made in advance and the entire process of negotiating a deal was going to be a grand clusterfuck. He's just flying by the seat of his pants, which would be fine if the British people weren't the ones who are going to have to pay the price for it.