School shooting in Colorado

[Deleted User]

Err, first-world countries other than the US. Didn't think that was unclear.

But the US isn't first-world

 

[Grmmish]

Ok. I know I will be hated for saying this and I know it is not welcome and labalbla.... But I speak truthfully and freely:

I wish there were HD videos of this.... I just want to see some helpless little kids get their face shot up with shot guns and looking like swiss cheese....
If there was an HD game like Mortal Kombat X that just featured me running around killing helpless man, women, children men and children woman and it had ragdoll physics and stuff and I could blow off their heads and be covered in blood.....


Ok I am getting carried away here.... *AHEM* ... Hope the injured kids are ok so they can..... Live to see that game I envisioned come to life one day.

 

[duwen]

Hmm... another person whose mental state was all but destroyed leading to a violent streak... Weird... WEIRD. Let's see how many of you blame the gun.... instead of the real issue.

I agree - the 'real' issue is almost always ignored in the aftermath of these tragic events... however, the 'real' issue affects school kids all over the world, yet it's only territories with lax gun control that have to endure school shootings on the scale seen in North America.

 

[Subtle Demise]

If you think that de-criminalization is going to happen anytime soon...I think you may end up waiting a very long time.
Ultimately that is my point. Nobody wants to try ANYTHING. Just rabble rousing and people going into immediate defensive postures when these tragedies happen.

I dont mean to be flippant but people saying thoughts and prayers every time a tragedy happens is just as flippant if you were to ask me.

Honestly I've started wondering if it will take organizing a militia and declaring war against the DEA. They keep calling it a war in a vain attempt to distance it from the Prohibition era, might as well give them a real one, right? Decriminalization is already happening for more than just weed on a state-by-state basis. The feds will eventually want to start anither civil war over it, I'm sure, but that's what the Second Amendment is for.

Which circles around to the topic of school shootings. I thought that was why we started putting police in schools, to prevent those from happening. Where was the school officer(s) when this one went down? Probably hiding in the squad car like they did during Sandy Hook. What else would you expect from a profession where shooting a chihuahua out of fear for your life is justified?

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As a European, I fail to understand why weapons are still sold freely there.
In my opinion it is of course the #1 reason for school shootings - without easy access to guns, no shootings, simple as that.
Fuck your second amendment. That needs to be revoked.

But then there's guys like this:

Well I am pretty sure there's mental issues in Europe as well, that is not exclusive to America.

Yeah you all banned guns and now you get bombs and acid attacks and driving vans into crowds, among many other things that have the potential to rack up a higher body count than any gun ever could. Hell, the UK has all but banned all knives, and that isn't ending violence either. How far are you willing to take this? Put everyone in a stasis chamber like in The Matrix so we can't kill each other with our bare hands?

 

[supersonicwaffle]

Yeah you all banned guns and now you get bombs and acid attacks and driving vans into crowds, among many other things that have the potential to rack up a higher body count than any gun ever could. Hell, the UK has all but banned all knives, and that isn't ending violence either. How far are you willing to take this? Put everyone in a stasis chamber like in The Matrix so we can't kill each other with our bare hands?

What kind of stupid ass argument is that? Are you saying that because you have liberal gun laws you have planes flying into buildings instead of vans driving into crowds?

We also haven’t banned guns. Most of the incidents of school shootings here in Germany happened with legally acquired guns.

 

[Glyptofane]

driving vans into crowds

Trucks of peace!

 

[leon315]

MURICANS fight Russia, China and every countries which refuses to join them, muricans shot muricans, muslims shot muricans, then blame Russia for cospiracy and blame China for dictatorship.

Meanwhile muricans look down their canadian cousins without realizing they have so much to learn from them: PEACE, HARMONY AND PROPER USE OF GUNS

They are really funny and so hypocrite thogh lul

 

[Subtle Demise]

What kind of stupid ass argument is that? Are you saying that because you have liberal gun laws you have planes flying into buildings instead of vans driving into crowds?

We also haven’t banned guns. Most of the incidents of school shootings here in Germany happened with legally acquired guns.

I don't usually keep up with gun laws around the world, so forgive me for assuming they were completely banned. My argument still stands because even if they aren't banned, they are still limited, regulated, and probably even monitored and tracked to some degree. My point was that you can keep banning (or limiting in your country's case) the instruments, but you'll never end violence. Like I said before, there are plenty of ways to kill lots more people without a gun. Arson and homemade explosuves can be done with supplies from the local hardware store. Not to mention if someone managed to weaponize fentanyl, which is still easy and cheap to get from the Chinese black market

 

[zomborg]

Gun-control advocates have been pushing for a ban on assault weapons for more than 25 years. A federal ban was in place between 1994 and 2004, but Congress declined to renew it after studies showed it had no crime-reducing impact.
I am stunned as to why this keeps happening and it feels like a gut punch whenever another shooting does happen. Can't put my finger on it but it feels like there's more behind these shootings.
I don't really have an answer for how to stop it and I know people have mentioned we have police in our schools but I can tell you at least in our small town, although we have police, it is normally only one officer and no matter how good he is, he can't be everywhere at the same time.
What if, similar to some larger schools, we implemented only one or 2 areas in each school where you must enter and at each entry point they have a guard with a scanner you must walk through to check for weapons? Also add more policemen and lock those schools down like a fortress.
Yes it won't stop other types of violence but maybe they could detect guns and knives.

 

[Clydefrosch]

As long as you don't limit normal citizens access to guns, criminals will always have a giant pool of guns to acquire.

But considering there's always a powerful and rich lobby working against that, I don't see criminals being priced out of gun access...

 

[JaapDaniels]

As long as you don't limit normal citizens access to guns, criminals will always have a giant pool of guns to acquire.

But considering there's always a powerful and rich lobby working against that, I don't see criminals being priced out of gun access...

maybe, but most shootouts are not real die hard criminals, just poor teens who can'tcommune, who are disapointed in thier enviroment, who're dumped, got bad grades or just bloodlust.
criminals like you describe are to damn aware they can't escape alive for too long when they organise a shootout.

 

[DCG]

@Clydefrosch
Criminals will always have acces to guns...

 

[supersonicwaffle]

I don't usually keep up with gun laws around the world, so forgive me for assuming they were completely banned. My argument still stands because even if they aren't banned, they are still limited, regulated, and probably even monitored and tracked to some degree. My point was that you can keep banning (or limiting in your country's case) the instruments, but you'll never end violence. Like I said before, there are plenty of ways to kill lots more people without a gun. Arson and homemade explosuves can be done with supplies from the local hardware store. Not to mention if someone managed to weaponize fentanyl, which is still easy and cheap to get from the Chinese black market

Of course you’re not going to stop someone who is as determined as a terrorist or school shooter but that’s not even half the story.

No one is even suggesting that violence can be „ended“ but it’s also fair to acknowledge that the murder rate in the US is more than five times the one of Germany.

 

[Clydefrosch]

maybe, but most shootouts are not real die hard criminals, just poor teens who can'tcommune, who are disapointed in thier enviroment, who're dumped, got bad grades or just bloodlust.
criminals like you describe are to damn aware they can't escape alive for too long when they organise a shootout.

those teens also get their weapons from the same place a criminal would get them in most of the cases.
From some dumbass leaving it around accessibly.

 

[JaapDaniels]

those teens also get their weapons from the same place a criminal would get them in most of the cases.
From some dumbass leaving it around accessibly.

nope most of them just buy them at the gun store.

 

[darcangel]

I don't get school shootings
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Guess it's for a younger audience

 

[Clydefrosch]

Of course you’re not going to stop someone who is as determined as a terrorist or school shooter but that’s not even half the story.

No one is even suggesting that violence can be „ended“ but it’s also fair to acknowledge that the murder rate in the US is more than five times the one of Germany.

And to put that into context, us population is just a bit more than three times as high as germanies.

also, our cops don't even kill a fraction of the people theirs do, because ours, despite a weapon owning rate of about 30% of all adults, don't think that every movement anyone makes at any time is 'reaching for a gun'

 

[supersonicwaffle]

And to put that into context, us population is just a bit more than three times as high as germanies.

Which is completely irrelevant, rates are per capita.

 

[Kioku]

I agree - the 'real' issue is almost always ignored in the aftermath of these tragic events... however, the 'real' issue affects school kids all over the world, yet it's only territories with lax gun control that have to endure school shootings on the scale seen in North America.

Unfortunately, this is true. My overall stance has changed within the past year or so... There needs to be better gun laws in place, but something pushes these people to do such terrible things..

 

[kumikochan]

And to put that into context, us population is just a bit more than three times as high as germanies.

also, our cops don't even kill a fraction of the people theirs do, because ours, despite a weapon owning rate of about 30% of all adults, don't think that every movement anyone makes at any time is 'reaching for a gun'

edit : nvrm this comment lol i misread, sorry. Anyway i know the gun laws aren't gonna change soon or at all but it should be changed how you can aquire one. Maybe also go to school to get some sort of degree that makes it so that you can only buy or own when wheb you do have that certain degree

 

[notimp]

Maybe I interject.

Those people are neglected, stipped of any opportunities, usually singled out, devoid of attention, maybe selfcentered, and suffering from an allure of grandiosity, but thats just one factor.

Their mind (subconscious) then looks for a way out. (We are talking severe mental health stuff here.) So they are drawn to power fantasies.

Guns. Make people feel powerful. Just touching one, does (apparently ).

Then the entire cultural stuff america has prepped up around gun ownership and soldier heroes comes in, and also makes some of the difference.

(My understanding concerning that stuff is, that those are necessary myths within your society to deal with or integrate the part of your society, thats out in the world fighting almost neverending battles. Through coping with that over years, your society is structured a little differently, than that of other nations. (If you tell someone just returning from a war to check their weapon at the counter and then play happy family life, shortly thereafter - it usually doesnt work out so well, so you have groups and organisations that take this personality and the weapons they are accustom to - and form little subs societies, that slowly guide the transition into a more civil life.. Something along those lines. Weapon culture is more of a thing in america than in other developed parts of the world, partly because of it - in my opinion.))

Then you've maybe come to realize, that the potential shooter jumps another gap, where the anger he has stored up gets projected towards the people that "did him wrong", or that have the opportunities he'd liked to have. And then he jumps another step, where he acts on it.

None of this develops "silently" - there are warning singns all over the place. People around them are ignoring them.

The motivation then culminates into the following. "No way out" thinking. Powerwish. Anger projected towards peers. Feels power in the form of handling weapons. Has a societal image of death near or related to glory (that warped in their minds). And knows, that they will be important for that day, and maybe that week. Also - punishing the people that hurt them. When the shooting begins, they probably get into a blood frency I dont know - I don't deal with military psychology, I just assume, thats why they pick out victims randomly after the first few.

Now you probably have a decent understanding of whats causing it. Does it help you directly? I'm not sure.

Reducing the numbers of automated weapons around reduces the number of victims. Thats a first step.


edit: If its racially motivated, the anger projects towards an "enemy" group. The cause is not relevant at that point. Its - something.