School shooting in Colorado

[x65943]

There was a school shooting in Colorado yesterday

Currently 1 student has died, and 8 others were injured

Reports indicate at least one shooter was disarmed by brave students, one of whom lost his life

For possibly the first time, one of the shooters is suspected to have made edits to Wikipedia alluding to the shooting before it occurred.

The page read:

"Anti suicide programs are implemented [in the school] to help lower chances of suicide and school shootings."

The following comment was added by an anonymous editor April 29th: "Do they work? We shall see".

This is the first fatal mass shooting since Columbine to include two perpetrators (the Columbine shooting also took place in Colorado - 20 years and 2 weeks before this most recent shooting)

Likely also the first shooting to involve a trans woman as an assailant

Spurlock adjusted what he said Tuesday and said the juvenile suspect in the shooting, whose name and age has not been released, was a female. He originally said the suspect was male on Tuesday, but said Wednesday that officials originally thought the suspect was male by their “appearance.”

Sources told Denver7 late Tuesday that the juvenile suspect is in the process of transitioning from female to male.

The White House press secretary was quoted as saying,

"Our prayers are with the victims, family members, and all those affected by today’s shooting"

 

[Superbronx]

Horrible tragedy. Even though only one student lost their life it's still crazy. In my school days we never had a shooting but one time a student who had endured all he could from the school bully, pulled a knife in the lunchroom and stabbed the bully in the stomach. Another time we had a drunk dad come into the school and yell at and punch our principal. My friends and I dragged the guy off our principal.

 

[sarkwalvein]

How can there be so many school shootings in the USA?

 

[x65943]

Considering 1/20 or 5% of the world's population lives in the USA - quite a few schools

 

[Superbronx]

How can there be so many schools in the USA?

As of 2016 there were a little over 34 thousand high schools in the USA. That's not including elementary and middle schools nor colleges.

Oops my bad. It was actually over 92 thousand. The 34 thousand was private schools.

 

[Aletron9000]

It makes me upset to think we live in a world that currently seems to be having school shootings every one or two months. It just isn't right.

 

[Xzi]

It makes me upset to think we live in a world that currently seems to be having school shootings every one or two months. It just isn't right.

Shit I wish. Right now it's like every one to two days. And as long as Trump is in office, it'll be nothing but more "thoughts and prayers." America's complacency really sucks, at times like these most of all.

 

[Kioku]

Hmm... another person whose mental state was all but destroyed leading to a violent streak... Weird... WEIRD. Let's see how many of you blame the gun.... instead of the real issue.

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Shit I wish. Right now it's like every one to two days. And as long as Trump is in office, it'll be nothing but more "thoughts and prayers." America's complacency really sucks, at times like these most of all.

What did Obama do differently? Ah... Nothing... Literally has ZERO to do with Trump.

 

[Xzi]

Let's see how many of you blame the gun.... instead of the real issue.

Ronald Reagan dismantling all traces of a mental healthcare system in this country?

What did Obama do differently? Ah... Nothing... Literally has ZERO to do with Trump.

Obama pushed for stricter gun laws after Sandy Hook and several other shootings. Republicans and the gun lobby pushed back hard, so nothing ended up happening. I believe the Rs had a majority in the House and Senate by that time.

 

[gizmomelb]

I'm in Australia. After we had a mass shooting incident some 23 years ago OUR GOVERNMENT had the balls to make firearms illegal for the general populace. You have to pass strict checks for registration of a firearm - so farmers, hunters, recreational firearms owners can still use and enjoy their guns, however there are very tight controls in place.

 

[Hanafuda]

Shit I wish. Right now it's like every one to two days. And as long as Trump is in office, it'll be nothing but more "thoughts and prayers." America's complacency really sucks, at times like these most of all.

CNN says 15 this year so far, and when you look at the list, most aren't what we think of when we hear "school shooting."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/08/us/school-shootings-us-2019-trnd/index.html


Of the 15 ...

5 happened at colleges/universities. Only one of these, at UNC at the end of April, was a 'school shooting' in the sense the public usually considers it. The others were shootings in dorms and at frat houses. Probably during parties, all involving adults. One was an accidental discharge.

1 involved a BB gun. Whether intentional or not is not reported. Nor was it a firearm.

1 involved a child getting shot while riding the bus as an unintended target of a drive-by shooting.

1 involved an adult entering a school to shoot an adult (school employee), not any students.

1 involved an after-hours car theft attempt of a vehicle that happened to be parked in a school parking lot. The shooter was an adult, non-student.

1 happened in an elementary school parking lot at 11pm, in which a high school student was shot by a person he knew. (partying? drug deal?)

Excluding the UNC shooting in April and the Colorado shooting yesterday, the remainder were intentional shootings of one intended person. At least one of those involved a drug deal gone bad on school property. Another involved two adults (18 and 21) who were ejected from a school basketball game after fighting with a female student, who waited till she left the game to shoot her.



I'm not pointing any of this out to excuse these incidents. They were all criminal acts (well, I'm not sure about the BB gun). Even the unintentional discharge incidents still most likely occurred where possession of a firearm was prohibited. But before taking statistics at face value, it's important to evaluate the criteria by which the claimed result was compiled. CNN says 15 "school shootings." I see 2 that qualify as "school shootings" in the context we usually consider it, and a few others that could be included because they were 1) intentional and 2) they did occur at a school. But 1 person shooting one other person for a reason, even an illegal or stupid reason, is not the same as a person hellbent on multiple homicides coming into a school to commit carnage.

For most of CNN's 15 incidents, the "school" element was simply incidental.

 

[x65943]

CNN says 15 this year so far, and when you look at the list, most aren't what we think of when we hear "school shooting."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/08/us/school-shootings-us-2019-trnd/index.html


Of the 15 ...

5 happened at colleges/universities. Only one of these, at UNC at the end of April, was a 'school shooting' in the sense the public usually considers it. The others were shootings in dorms and at frat houses. Probably during parties, all involving adults. One was an accidental discharge.

1 involved a BB gun. Whether intentional or not is not reported. Nor was it a firearm.

1 involved a child getting shot while riding the bus as an unintended target of a drive-by shooting.

1 involved an adult entering a school to shoot an adult (school employee), not any students.

1 involved an after-hours car theft attempt of a vehicle that happened to be parked in a school parking lot. The shooter was an adult, non-student.

1 happened in an elementary school parking lot at 11pm, in which a high school student was shot by a person he knew. (partying? drug deal?)

Excluding the UNC shooting in April and the Colorado shooting yesterday, the remainder were intentional shootings of one intended person. At least one of those involved a drug deal gone bad on school property. Another involved two adults (18 and 21) who were ejected from a school basketball game after fighting with a female student, who waited till she left the game to shoot her.



I'm not pointing any of this out to excuse these incidents. They were all criminal acts (well, I'm not sure about the BB gun). Even the unintentional discharge incidents still most likely occurred where possession of a firearm was prohibited. But before taking statistics at face value, it's important to evaluate the criteria by which the claimed result was compiled. CNN says 15 "school shootings." I see 2 that qualify as "school shootings" in the context we usually consider it, and a few others that could be included because they were 1) intentional and 2) they did occur at a school. But 1 person shooting one other person for a reason, even an illegal or stupid reason, is not the same as a person hellbent on multiple homicides coming into a school to commit carnage.

For most of CNN's 15 incidents, the "school" element was simply incidental.

Including the bb gun in the 15 shootings is absolutely ridiculous

What a misleading figure

 

[slaphappygamer]

Fucking horrible that we have to worry about our loved ones when they go to school. My wife and some other friends are teachers and we also have kids going through elementary school now. Super depressing. Can’t we just have fist fights at the flag pole after school like we used to. At least all the kids could go home. Guns in a fight are for sissies. Respect life. You don’t get a second chance.

 

[chrisrlink]

screw the NRA they're part of the problem thinking automatic weapons should be in the hand of civilians mind you if you even try to rebel you get the needle (Treason carries the death penalty) anyway you slice it rebeleon is out of the question so why give people automatic weaponry in the first place?

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I'm in Australia. After we had a mass shooting incident some 23 years ago OUR GOVERNMENT had the balls to make firearms illegal for the general populace. You have to pass strict checks for registration of a firearm - so farmers, hunters, recreational firearms owners can still use and enjoy their guns, however there are very tight controls in place.

and tell me since that mass shooting has intentional shooting incidents gone down? (also you don't see an Aussie rebelion over this strange huh?, try that here and a second civil war will break out.....sad)

 

[x65943]

screw the NRA they're part of the problem thinking automatic weapons should be in the hand of civilians mind you if you even try to rebel you get the needle (Treason carries the death penalty) anyway you slice it rebeleon is out of the question so why give people automatic weaponry in the first place?

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and tell me since that mass shooting has intentional shooting incidents gone down? (also you don't see an Aussie rebelion over this strange huh?, try that here and a second civil war will break out.....sad)

One thing about history is this, only the losing side are traitors

If the Brits had won the revolutionary war, Benedict Arnold would be hailed as a great war hero, and Washington no better than Jefferson Davis

 

[gizmomelb]

and tell me since that mass shooting has intentional shooting incidents gone down? (also you don't see an Aussie rebelion over this strange huh?, try that here and a second civil war will break out.....sad)

yes, they have gone down substantially - even with illegal importing / manufacturing of firearms by crime groups keeping the numbers fairly stable over the past decade or so.

https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/10/total_number_of_gun_deaths

It has never been a ''right'' (LAUGHABLE) to carry guns in Australia and there have only been a few situations in which citizens have had to violently rebel against the government.

I can understand that the USA founders thought it important as they forcefully declared independence from the British and were concerned with being invaded and put under control once again. However laws should change to reflect the times.

Most civilian fights in Australia are resolved with fists - there has been a growing number of people carrying knives over the past two or three decades (mostly from a larger immigrant population from Asia and the Middle East - where knife fighting / assault is more common) but carrying knives is also illegal in Australia, except for reasonable exemptions for work reasons. The general consensus is if you're in a fight and you need to pull a weapon, then you're looked down upon as being weak and a coward.

 

[Xzi]

CNN says 15 this year so far, and when you look at the list, most aren't what we think of when we hear "school shooting."

Yeah, I suppose I was referring more to shootings/mass shootings in general. It's still ludicrously frequent considering other first-world countries max out at like two school shootings a year, and the US is usually in the hundreds.

 

[Deleted User]

Yeah, I suppose I was referring more to shootings/mass shootings in general. It's still ludicrously frequent considering other first-world countries max out at like two school shootings a year, and the US is usually in the hundreds.

What do you mean by "other"? You have to be a civilized nation to come and sit with us at the first-world table.

 

[Thunder Hawk]

Including the bb gun in the 15 shootings is absolutely ridiculous

What a misleading figure

That's CNN for you.

 

[Xzi]

What do you mean by "other"? You have to be a civilized nation to come and sit with us at the first-world table.

Err, first-world countries other than the US. Didn't think that was unclear.