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Trump's Transgender Troop Ban Goes Into Effect

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Regardless of the... trans... is it isn't it... stuff... interpretations... kerfuffles...

*cough* hopefully bypassing the unrelated to the topic at large.

Since when have people been in support of wanting all the people in armies? I mean yay patriotism I guess if that's your shtick, but these days armies are just a front to deter other countries from attacking rather than outright deployment (give or take war mongering authorities)
AT BEST trans numbers are around 0.014% for mtf and 0.003% for ftm (according to the DSM-V) of the population, ya think the army is really so starved as to need to rely on such a percentage?
And it's not like there aren't downsides to being trans in the army either, if you're actually put out in the field and then are stuck not being able to take hormones for one unexpected reason or another, then what? Wouldn't that just add to the stress?
Not only that but when they're run as a business, wouldn't saving money and making more profit be more important to an army? Armies have always been about efficiency more than anything.
 
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The less people in the military the better in my eyes. I could go on forever about how the military hasn't really served us since oh about 1812, but from my understanding WW1 and 2 were just the beginning of US interventionism and playing world police. Fun fact: there hasn't been a constitutional declaration of war from congress since 1942, meaning every military operation since then is unconstitutional and illegal.

Even if this act was done out of discrimination, hatred, fear, whatever, it's doing trans people a huge favor not having to fight in top secret black ops illegal excursions.
 

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Anyway, back to the actual topic at hand, this quote says it PERFECTLY. Although the person attributed to having said this, is NOT one to have said this anyway (that dude never served a day in his life)
Question: How can President Trump claim to represent all U.S citizens, regardless of sexual orientation, when he banned transgenders from joining the military? Isn't that discrimination?

Trey Gowdy's Response:
"Nobody has a right to serve in the Military. Nobody! What makes you people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? It is very far from it - and for good reasons - let me cite a few.

The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers."

He went on to explain: "By the way, poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identification as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of push-ups? Not really a morning person? and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be legitimate reasons for denial.

The Military has one job: Winning War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream, that isn't fair? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU must change yourself to meet Military standards and not the other way around.

I say again: You don't change the Military - you must change yourself. The Military is not about being fair, it is about taking advantage of others and about winning. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars and keep our Country safe - PERIOD! If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness, Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.
Any other questions?
 

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The less people in the military the better in my eyes. I could go on forever about how the military hasn't really served us since oh about 1812 <snip>
there hasn't been a constitutional declaration of war from congress since 1942
Wow. You’re so clueless. Ask African African Americans if the military has done them any good. Where would they be if the POTUS hadn’t used them to take on the south?

Since 1812? Do you have any clue where we would be right now if we hadn’t bee n involved in WWI or WWII? Obviously not. Illegal? Oh, please do tell us when you passed your bar exam.
 
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The one of the highest cause of death for males is sucide
https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2010/LCOD_WHITEmen2010.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2015/race-ethnicity/index.htm
http://www.idph.state.il.us/menshealth/healththreats.htm
Males also have the highest rate of violent suicides including gun-related and public suicides like jumping off high areas
Males also have a higher rate of violence, including murder, mass murder, mass shootings, rape, war crimes, etc.
Why is there no push to call males mentally ill when the statistics show that men have so many problems?
The higher rate of suicide in the LGBT+ community isn't caused by being LGBT+ it's caused by people like you and the social pressures we have to face due to bigotry. Trans people tend to end up being social outcasts due to our culture's deeply rooted transphobia and it's this social isolation that worse issues like depression and sense of loneliness. Suicide rates were found to drop drastically when someone has good social support and live in accepting communities. In short, people like you are the one with the actual problem, not trans people.
Edit: Before you even think about bringing up the "But Black women have a lower rate of suicide!" counterargument, this is due to the closeness of Black communities and is countered by my previous statement of good social support

I agree that males do tend to commit suicide more then females, but if you look at the statistics surrounding the transsexual movement (especially those who are transitioning or have failed to transition) there is a very high rate of attempted suicide. I agree that being rubbed the wrong way can contribute to feeling suicidal, but by nature suicide is done by oneself so it's not someone else's fault when a transsexual decides to try to kill themselves. No one forces them to do so. I don't think there's anything wrong with being an outcast and if you've ended up one more than likely choices you've made in your life have contributed to it. You can try to blame the choices on whatever you want - how you feel, where you were born, your parents, but in the end they were the choices you made. You can't go around trying to control other people - that doesn't and will never work. Trying to force other people to only say certain things, only act a certain way or feel a certain way doesn't work when they try to do that to you so why is it justified if you try to do it to them? You control yourself and if you have tried to commit suicide then that was your doing. It was a bad choice that you made and hopefully if you have done such a thing you learned that it wasn't the answer and moved on.

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I was in a bit of hurry, I edited my post to be a bit more accurate. One of the highest causes of deaths in males is suicides and I included additional links to back up that statement. That being said, it doesn't change what I said in my post.
Side note, so the staff is just going to continue to keep this extremely transphobic thread open? Why does the staff treat transphobia as such a small issue? The OP clearly just made this thread to spread their transphobic comments and it's rather interesting how the staff just ignores that fact and even replies to my comment instead.

I'm not scared of transsexual people. I simply do not agree with their lifestyle choices - just as transsexual people do not agree with mine. How is that unfair?

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The topic itself isn't the issue and is well within the purpose of this area in the threads. The issue very clearly didn't make this topic to talk about the issue addressed and just made this topic to spread transphobic comments. Very little of the OP's post actually relates back to the actual article and knowing the OP's history, signature, and comments, it's obvious what the OP's intend was

The OP's posts are good examples of what transphobia is. And honestly, "disagreeing" with people being trans is also transphobia, "disagreeing" with someone for being trans literally means disagreeing with them simply existing in this world. It's like "disagreeing" with someone being black or gay. Transphobic opinions actually kill people and there's no reason to respect them

I haven't addressed the military linked article too much because most of the comments from other coming to me aren't related to it. I don't agree with the transsexual life style, but that however doesn't mean that I am scared of transsexual people or hate them. Trying to say because I disagree is being transphobic is the same thing as trying to tell me that I have to agree otherwise I cannot comment on the issue and I should be silenced and my posts deleted. I'm not trying to tell you how to think, just how I think.

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I hate to agree with Foxi on this one, but for the most part I couldn't find much that could really be classified as blatantly inflammatory or transphobic...at least if I'm trying to remain impartial. I removed one sentence from the OP. Everything else is mostly just him repeating himself.

Good to know if you personally disagree with me you have to power to remove what you disagree with from my posts.

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Wow. You’re so clueless. Ask African African Americans if the military has done them any good. Where would they be if the POTUS hadn’t used them to take on the south?

Since 1812? Do you have any clue where we would be right now if we hadn’t bee n involved in WWI or WWII? Obviously not. Illegal? Oh, please do tell us when you passed your bar exam.

I don't think the color of your skin should dictate if you can serve in the military. I don't think that if you're gay or lesbian that should matter either. I also don't think if your transsexual that should matter. If you want to put your life on the line to protect our country then you should be able to do so. I wasn't aware of the IQ requirement that FOXI brought up either. You would think if your IQ was lower you wouldn't be put in a position that required a higher IQ. I mean, you don't want someone who can't drive driving your car, right? I also see the point that certain ways that some people act might interfere with daily operations and in that case those people shouldn't be given a "pass" because of their gender and should follow the rules that everyone else does. That should be something they agree upon when joining up - to follow the rules.
 
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People that are confused about what sex/gender dont seem to be the most capable soldiers. Its true. you have to have a clear mind and follow orders correctly. I'm kind of tired of giving people that think they can parade around making up different genders special attention. All that make believe does not change a guys Y chromosome into an X or a ladies X to a Y. Simple science.
 
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Apparently every single trans person can't have a clear mind and follow orders. Also, the rest of the soldiers are perfect and don't have any problems they have to deal with.


To be clear, I'm not gung-ho about sending everyone to the army. I just don't think the choice should be taken from them.
 
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Transgenderism is STILL a mental disorder. It's still a manufactured social illness.

It's also one of the only "illnesses" that I've ever heard of that allows the person suffering from it to force other people to suspend their accurate view of reality, in favor of moddlycoddling someone who is mentally ill.

Like Ben Shapiro said, if someone has schizophrenia, the solution to help them deal with it isn't to convince them that, yes, the radio IS talking to you. You don't treat a mental disorder by agreeing with someone who thinks they need to mutilate their body so they can be a better fake version of what they can never be.

Chromosomes, not feelings, determine whether you are biologically male or female. XX. XY. Everything outside of that spectrum is an anomaly. XX can never "change" to "become" XY, and vice versa.

I fully support Trump's plan to prevent the mentally ill from trying to force everyone else around them to ignore reality. It isn't the job of the US Armed Forces to pander to snowflakes.

If you are "transgendered", a term I use with absolute and utter scorn, and you want to serve your country, how about you become an advocate for veterans? How about you help them actually get decent medical care, and maybe help to reform the VA? There are other ways to serve your country that don't involve you presenting your mangled clitoris as a penis and pretending that you're a man, when you don't have the physical ability to lift and carry one of your buddies if he gets injured on the battlefield.
 
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I can understand the rational behind the ban. Not every career is made for everyone, it doesn't mean you're any less of a person simply because a certain field isn't for you

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I didn't realise this thread was such a dumpster fire, wanting a thread deleted simply because you don't like it or disagree with someones is asinine. Everyone should have equal opportunity to state their opinions and debate them. You won't get anywhere in life if you just close your eyes every time you disagree with someone, and you'll just be reinforcing their opinions if you remove it rather than talking about it
 
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So i havent read through all 6 pages of this garbage fire. but from what ive read no one has made a legitimately valid point that is on either end of the extremes that cant be proven or disproven by a single google search. Heres the reality not all trans people are mentally ill there are some in there right state of mind who just want to be different just like people who get tattoos or body mods do except to a grander scale. However the ones who cannot accept that that they were born one way and refuse to see that reality are sadly delusional. thats not all of them though just the few who have been flaunted out and used as examples.

Basically if you know and accept you were born male/female but want to be something else and go through with it. Then your fine but if you refuse to see reality and just want to force a fantasy on the world and claim its reality then thats a disorder.
 

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Please, do explain how someone being Gay/Lesbian or Transgender would hurt the Military???????? If they can do their Job, and are Respectful to others and dont force themselves onto others..........I really dont see a "Problem"
 

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Good to know if you personally disagree with me you have to power to remove what you disagree with from my posts.
Just try to avoid intentionally derogatory and inflammatory language the best you can. You can present facts and opinions in an objective manner without attacking/deplatforming an entire demographic.
 

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After been on other forums and Facebook (FB) for many years, I usually ignore -phobia comments and posts, so they aren't worth my time to educate or correct them.

Y'all should be glad that GBAtemp is much less toxic than FB by far, in my experience and I found GBAtemp moderators to be fair and doing their jobs, but not case with FB when FB ignored your report over threatening or hateful comments.

I don't necessarily agree with OP but I found his post to be fairly reasonable and not hateful like you seen on FB.

I'm disqualified from serving in the military due profoundly Deaf and low vision, but no hard feeling. I do have a lot of respect for LGBT communities.

By the way, my sister is currently serving in US Air Force and doing very well after stationed in Virginia last year.
 
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Just try to avoid intentionally derogatory and inflammatory language the best you can. You can present facts and opinions in an objective manner without attacking/deplatforming an entire demographic.
The edit was approved by the moderation staff, or more specifically by me. As I said earlier, the subject can be freely discussed, but any derogatory language and slurs will be met with a swift reaction, as per our forum rules. Everyone is welcome to have an opinion, but the language used to express it mustn't be inflammatory.
 

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I'd rather attack an argument than a person. A clever man (a MAN, with Y chromosome) can annihilate any snowflake by using wit, without needing to resort to base personal insults.

S'more fun that way.
 

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While I do think the word transphobia sometimes gets thrown around too easily, it clear that some people here are just hating and don't care rather being transgender actually affects their abilities as a soldier.
 

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I don't think the color of your skin should dictate if you can serve in the military. I don't think that if you're gay or lesbian that should matter either. I also don't think if your transsexual that should matter. If you want to put your life on the line to protect our country then you should be able to do so. I wasn't aware of the IQ requirement that FOXI brought up either. You would think if your IQ was lower you wouldn't be put in a position that required a higher IQ. I mean, you don't want someone who can't drive driving your car, right? I also see the point that certain ways that some people act might interfere with daily operations and in that case those people shouldn't be given a "pass" because of their gender and should follow the rules that everyone else does. That should be something they agree upon when joining up - to follow the rules.
The test they use is non-standard, it's called the AFQT, or the Armed Forces Qualification Test. While not technically a standardised IQ test per se, it maps onto intelligence testing. In order to pass, you must score in the tenth percentile or above, which effectively translates to 81-93 IQ with a preference of higher IQ. The average pass is 85. The army simply determined that there is nothing you can possibly do in the Army with a low IQ, you are in fact a liability and endanger your fellow soldiers. It's a standard section of the ASVAB, or the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery. The questions are "g-loaded", meaning they're intended to test general intelligence in order to determine your vocational aptitude, as the name implies. It's a cheeky way to get around anti-discrimination law.
 
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