Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been arrested

[SG854]

He fucking sold out and bitched out, all at once. Again it's not about what he published, but what he didn't. Assange decided to operate out of fear, fear of Putin, and that's ultimately what led to his downfall and now his expulsion from an embassy/arrest.

He was already a refugee. I don’t think he fears Putin. He fears the U.S.

 

[Xzi]

And the US has already presented an extradition request, where Assange is accused of "Having helped Chelsea Manning 2010 to breach the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet) for documents and communications classified as secret".

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but what manning did, was basically to run a wget script ("download me all the things"), on a network, he had access to because he worked on it.

How does Assange "help him hacking" in that regard? wget -help too complicated?

Tech illiterate people drafting legal charges on hacking grounds once more? This will get funny - if the hearings are allowed to be public.

What you described could be accurate, but what you're forgetting is that Chelsea Manning herself was likely quite tech illiterate. Therefore it makes sense that someone would have to give her instructions on how to go about downloading everything.

He was already a refugee. I don’t think he fears Putin. He fears the U.S.

His decision to not publish leaks on the Russian government was motivated by fear of Putin. He fears the US now because prosecutors are seemingly trying to go after him hard for military leaks.

 

[notimp]

Hacking with wget. Great.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Yes especially as I'm not even japanese. People who live to defend national myths are stupid.

And they are openly insane, if they do it in face of outright corruption and injustice.

I stand by my statement.

And today I think it has to stand.

Because otherwise we talk more about the person again, than about the actual violations of law here.

The statement somehow - emotionally - feels right and needed.

Again, because of the stupidity of few - you judge an entire nation and ALL of it's people. Acting like every single person living in the USA has the exact same mindset. But whatever floats your boat. Doesn't matter if you're not Japanese. In fact, it makes my point even clearer. Because of you, who isn't even Japanese, just fuck Japan and everyone who lives there. It's really not a difficult concept to understand where I'm coming from.

 

[cots]

He was already a refugee. I don’t think he fears Putin. He fears the U.S.

Just take anyone that the Liberals put to fame. They used them until they are all dried up and then throw them out like yesterdays trash. He did mess with National Security and no matter how much you might want to defend him the laws regarding that issue and the way the public fear the entire situation really give the US government a lot of power. He's lucky he's a public figure otherwise he probably would have just vanished never to be heard from again.

 

[Xzi]

He's lucky he's a public figure otherwise he probably would have just vanished never to be heard from again.

Err...rather he's kinda in this mess precisely because he's a public figure. If he wasn't a guy who posts government/military secrets on the internet, nobody who could make him "disappear" would be after him. And I'm not sure why you think Trump's administration would go that harshly on him regardless of his fame or lack thereof.

Trump is the president and has installed his lackeys in every department/agency. You can stop pretending the "deep state" is real or controls anything now. If it was, Trump would've been dead or removed from office quite some time ago.

 

[the_randomizer]

Also in honor of the developments of the day - I think it hasnt been said clearly enough as of now.

Fuck the US.

Here's something I want to say, fuck your anti-American bullshit and shove that mentality down your throat. We don't fucking want you over here anyway. Stop acting like any other country is magically better than any other country, because here's a newsflash, they aren't.

I don't go around bashing other countries' people for the actions of their governments, so don't go around doing the same to me, because it's just a stupid thing to do.

 

[Hanafuda]

unwilling to give an unredacted copy to Congress, as they're entitled

You have some law that says this? You’ve said this several times without backing it up. I don’t mean what you think “should” happen. I mean is there any legal imperative? There are laws and regulations requiring the redactions.

 

[the_randomizer]

Not all laws are morally grounded.

 

[erikas]

Being true is not the only threshold for whether or not it's legal (or moral) to publish something.

Edit: Russia's illegal meddling in the 2016 election is also not a conspiracy theory. It's fact.

If by "meddling" you mean they made memes, then yes. Also, exactly what about it was illegal?

 

[the_randomizer]

If by "meddling" you mean they made memes, then yes. Also, exactly what about it was illegal?

It's funny that people still bring it up as if doing so will change the past.

 

[Lacius]

If by "meddling" you mean they made memes, then yes. Also, exactly what about it was illegal?

Russia did a lot more than make memes.

 

[notimp]

As far as russia is concerned Assange was merely a useful idiot (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot ) and a public figure they could use. If at all. (I'm not personally familiar with the matter.. )

The other stuff (Clinton emails, and Trump), has almost nothing to do with the matter at hand. (Published classified information on a whole bunch of things, including the Iraq war. Got himself in a whole lot of trouble because of it.) Yet, this thread is full of the stuff (Trump and Clinton emails) that really hardly matters at all.

In regards to the Clinton emails, a James Comey was far more responsible for the public impact, than an Assange was - yet I dont see him ending his life in a high security prison.


What this means (imho) is, that people are projecting stories, and meanings onto the public figure of an Assange, instead of taking the precedings at face value.

He created an anonymous leak platform. He made some minor political moves (wasnt always impartial), now hes about to be locked away for life, maybe tortured, maybe put in solitary confinement, after a political deal, and a betrayal of granted immunity rights, by a south american country.

The Assange story.

Pamela Anderson can play the girlfriend in the movie.

 

[the_randomizer]

As far as russia is concerned Assange was merely a useful idiot (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot ) and a public figure they could use. If at all. (I'm not personally familiar with the matter.. )

The other stuff (Clinton emails, and Trump), has almost nothing to do with the matter at hand. (Published classified information on a whole bunch of things, including the Iraq war. Got himself in a whole lot of trouble because of it.) Yet, this thread is full of the stuff (Trump and Clinton emails) that really hardly matters at all.

In regards to the Clinton emails, a James Comey was far more responsible for the public impact, than an Assange was - yet I dont see him ending his life in a high security prison.


What this means (imho) is, that people are projecting stories, and meanings onto the public figure of an Assange, instead of taking the precedings at face value.

He created an anonymous leak platform. He made some minor political moves (wasnt always impartial), now hes about to be locked away for life, maybe tortured, maybe put in solitary confinement, after a political deal, and a betrayal of granted immunity rights, by a south american country.

The Assange story.

Pamela Anderson can play the girlfriend in the movie.

Oh so that's why you're bashing Americans and telling us to go fuck ourselves, makes sense to me. How very kind.

 

[Viri]

He was granted asylum status. Then his status was revoked and assange would not leave requiring the use of UK police to remove him from the embassy by force which ecuuador allowed in. According to the ecuadorian embassy tensions were rising within the last few weeks/months between them and assange, he was playing load music all night, playing with a soccerball in the hall ways, roller skating in the building causing damage to to the property, refused to clean up after his cat, becoming paranoid and thought embassy staff were spying for the US and apparently he was mistreating them. Lets just say releasing classified documents on ecuador wasnt helping anything either. He also smeared his own fecal matter all over the walls before he was removed.
Don't bite the hands that feeds you.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...t-follow-new-ecuador-embassy-rules-says-judge

Yuh, I read some of the stuff he did, it's like he wanted to get thrown out. But, I think being locked in a room like that gave him "cabin fever", and he started to lose his mind. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I feel a bit sorry for him, because holy fuck if the US gets their hands on him. But, acting like a spoiled bitch, he brought it on him self.

 

[Mollycule]

Seems a lot of people here are quite happy to let the US and UK do whatever they want to the people and rest of the world without question or objection..

If Julian Assange is extradited, well, who else is going to be brave enough to stick their heads over the trench to as little as alert people to facts that are being executed on our planet to our fellow kind.

The truth is nobodies possession, and should be beneath no law, end of.

Free Assange..

EDIT:
For no singular country's greater good should the exposure of the truth be concealed, this national security argument is why other countries are being attacked relentlessly and nobody really knows why, because nobody is allowed to tell us without committing 'espionage'..

 

[erikas]

Russia did a lot more than make memes.

There's a reason wikipedia is not accepted as a source. Also considering how overused "russian trolls" are in the leftist media i just throw out any argument that contains the phrase. Stop blaming russians for people not liking you. And i'm from a country that was occupied by the soviet union. Nobody likes Putin here, but you can't just keep blaming everything on him. Also what kind of 10d chess is he playing? Relations between USA and Russia are worse than ever.

 

[Lacius]

There's a reason wikipedia is not accepted as a source.

Wikipedia is a perfectly acceptable compendium for use in the context of our conversation here. Saying Wikipedia is bad doesn't do anything to demonstrate that Russia was only involved in memes, because they objectively weren't. If you don't like Wikipedia, there are sources at the bottom of the page for you.

Relations between USA and Russia are worse than ever.

That's in part because they illegally meddled in the 2016 election.

 

[Xzi]

You have some law that says this? You’ve said this several times without backing it up. I don’t mean what you think “should” happen. I mean is there any legal imperative? There are laws and regulations requiring the redactions.

Yes, it's been precedent since Watergate (Barr even mentioned this in his testimony yesterday). Just a couple years ago Congress received a full, unredacted report on Hillary's e-mails despite the fact that nobody was charged in that investigation. Republicans don't tend to be subtle in their hypocrisy.

 

[Hanafuda]

Yes, it's been precedent since Watergate (Barr even mentioned this in his testimony yesterday). Just a couple years ago Congress received a full, unredacted report on Hillary's e-mails despite the fact that nobody was charged in that investigation. Republicans don't tend to be subtle in their hypocrisy.

What happened in previous investigations is pretty much irrelevant to this situation. Different types of investigations, different rules. Mueller was "special counsel." Ken Starr was "independent counsel." Jaworski (Watergate) was "special prosecutor." Different rules applied to each. Ken Starr had to turn his report over directly to Congress. Seedy details about Clinton got leaked to the public, so Democrats and some Republicans insisted on a new position, new rules, i.e. "special counsel," and those rules now apply to Mueller. He had to hand his report to the DOJ. Whether the DOJ provides it to Congress, the rules don't really say. (see https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-happen-muellers-report-become-public/586060/) There are lots of laws and regs about grand jury testimony and personally identifiable information of peripheral 3rd parties, though. (There are some grand jury docs from Watergate that were still under seal until last year.)

You can thank the democrats of the Clinton era, though their reason for objecting to such investigation reports being made public is obviously correct ... the reason they didn't want Starr's report public is exactly the reason they now want Mueller's report to be public.

“We believe that information obtained during a criminal investigation should, in most all cases, be made public only if there is an indictment and prosecution, not in lengthy and detailed reports filed after a decision has been made not to prosecute,” Janet Reno, Clinton’s attorney general, told Congress at the time. “The final report provides a forum for unfairly airing a target’s dirty laundry.”

Now, who's not being subtle about their hypocrisy???