Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been arrested

[SG854]

Assange is a narcissist and an opportunist who helped adversaries of the US compromise the integrity of its presidential election. He stopped being a "hero" the second he decided to push a political agenda rather than continuing to publish all leaks pertaining to illegal/unethical behavior in an independent manner. Wikileaks transitioned from being a reliable source for leaks into just another tabloid rag years ago.

Him being kicked out was the Ecuadorian president using it as a cover up for his own scandals. Nowhere does it say that someone behavior is excuse to kick someone out seeking asylum.

And so what if he became an unpleasant person in the embassy. He was locked up for years, with hardly any sunlight, ostracized from the outside world in a small room, with cameras everywhere. That makes people crazy. And somehow his behavior in the embassy is excuse to stop him from exposing the government. Who cares about his behavior what’s more important is him exposing the government.




Publish information they didn’t have?

His comment about the democrats and him supposedly siding with the republicans. It was not rooted in ideological bias, it was him saying he thinks a republican will be better in office because they will face a lot more resistance then Hillary Clinton. That Hillary was war hawkish and will get away with a lot more. She supported Military action Libya and Middle East. And he was right. Look at how much resistance Trump is getting, he still can’t even get a wall, people still believe in Russia collusion. And people are resisting him hard. More then they’ll resist Hillary.

 

[Xzi]

Him being kicked out was the Ecuadorian president using it as a cover up for his own scandals. Nowhere does it say that someone behavior is excuse to kick someone out seeking asylum.

Rofl, the Ecuadorian embassy had no obligation to accept his request of asylum in the first place. They certainly don't have an obligation to keep his slobby ass around for more than X number of years. Assange was accusing the people at the embassy on spying on him, FFS. It's just as Joe said: you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

It was not rooted in ideological bias, it was him saying he thinks a republican will be better in office

The only person I've seen contradict themselves faster is Trump himself.

Publish information they didn’t have?

On Russian government leaks: https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/1...-government-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/

On Assange's affiliation with/lying for the Republican party: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...has_been_trolling_democrats_all_his_life.html

 

[DeadlyFoez]

Personally I feel what he has done was the right thing of exposing government corruptness, exposing the lies, and bringing to light a small part of what truly happens behind the scenes.

I am glad that he has been arrested. Why? Because if I was in his shoes I would feel that being taken out of that prison and into another is at least some change of scenery.

I want to see a fair and unbiased trial for him. If he in fact did do anythign illegal in terms of hacking or anything else illegal, then he should be punished. But what should we consider as illegal?

If any government purposely did anything to harm innocent people, like the wikileaks articles report, who is in the right? The people covering it up or the people that are willing to expose it all?

Much of this information was just handed to him and he only just accepted it and displayed it all. I would even go as far to say that it is mostly unbiased because he has exposed things that can harm all sides of the political spectrum.

Now, granted, I could be wrong about this stuff because I have not followed it closely, so please educate me on anything that I am wrong about. I have only bothered to pay attention to the surface level crap, like headlines and such.

I do hope that Julian gets minimal prison time. I am uncertain if he deserves any at all.


Lets look at this another way.
Lets say that you you are playing some MMORPG. You hear through the grapevine that the higher ups are giving perks to close friends and they are giving them enough to win battles and rather rule the realm. (sorry, I don't know mmorpg terms). The higher ups are creating a monopoly and becoming rich with cheats and other bullshit that is not legitimate.

Now, we have this knowledgeable person named Julian that was handed evidence of how the administrators are fixing the system so they can make bank in the end. Literally, a conspiracy. Would Julian be a bad person for telling everyone that Bethesda (or other company) is rigging the system and exposing the corruption in the system?

I am leaving this question rather open ended because I would like to hear other peoples opinions about it all. Someone may have a different perspective about it and help shed some light on things that I have not previously considered.

 

[Xzi]

Much of this information was just handed to him and he only just accepted it and displayed it all.

We know for a fact that he chose not to display some of it, see the post above yours. Happy temp-day, btw.

 

[SG854]

Rofl, the Ecuadorian embassy had no obligation to accept his request of asylum in the first place. They certainly don't have an obligation to keep his slobby ass around for more than X number of years. Assange was accusing the people at the embassy on spying on him, FFS. It's just as Joe said: you don't bite the hand that feeds you.


The only person I've seen contradict themselves faster is Trump himself.


On Russian government leaks: https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/1...-government-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/

On Assange's affiliation with/lying for the Republican party: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...has_been_trolling_democrats_all_his_life.html

There’s the answer to your question from the article you linked.

Assange said he had information on Trump but that it wasn’t worth publishing. (In a message to FP, WikiLeaks now says the organization “received no original documents on the campaign that did not turn out to be already public.”)

“The problem with the Trump campaign,” Assange said at the time, “is it’s actually hard for us to publish much more controversial material than what comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth every second day.”

And for the second article where in the article does it say he had affiliation with the republicans? He denied that he was affiliated with trump and denied that he was involved with Russia. And Assange has been 100% correct. As far as I’m aware, Never had to redact once.

 

[Xzi]

And for the second article where in the article does it say he had affiliation with the republicans? He denied that he was affiliated with trump and denied that he was involved with Russia. And Assange has been 100% correct. As far as I’m aware, Never had to redact once.

He lied about his contacts with Roger Stone, which we now know because Stone is being charged with conspiracy among other things. Stone hasn't been found guilty yet, but there is a literal mountain of evidence against him.

 

[SG854]

He lied about his contacts with Roger Stone, which we now know because Stone is being charged with conspiracy among other things. Stone hasn't been found guilty yet, but there is a literal mountain of evidence against him.

Can you post the post evidence. They claimed they had mountain of evidence on Trump Russia but there was actually 0 and they lied.

 

[nashismo]

The forgotten hero, as a christian I know this man has made God's work on earth and that God loves him incredible so.

 

[Subtle Demise]

So everyone on the left hates him because his website (of which he is not the sole operator) published something that tarnished the reputation of their particular cult. They don't claim the information was false, they don't even care that the actions described were illegal or that people died to cover it up (suicide by two gunshot wounds to the back of the head has become a bit of a meme these last 2 years), they are only mad because orange man win.

Now don't get me wrong, I personally don't like the man or his policies, and a whackjob rude billionaire with a Twitter addiction is not fit for any government position. Everyone has to understand that corruption has infested all the world's governments from the bottom to the top, and from every point on the political spectrum. There can be no checks and balances when every branch has the same goal. Don't vilify someone because they exposed an ugly truth about "your side."

Anyway, I'm really excited about this supposed "poison pill" or dead man's switch. Apparently an expert (or experts) says it will be impossible to stop if it releases. I hope it's something big and terrifying. Something so big and terrifying that it will be a catalyst for a chain of events that might elicit some real change throughout the world. I'm really hoping it's not just a bluff.

 

[SG854]

The forgotten hero, as a christian I know this man has made God's work on earth and that God loves him incredible so.

He has a lot of people respect him. Only the wacka loons with political bias don’t respect him. Who cares about partisan politics. Who cares about bias even if there was any that may damage one side, which no evidence shows there is bias. This is an attack on freedom of the press and free speech. Corrupt politics is still corrupt. Even if one publishes corruption on one side. They are not in a good position to hate this guy for doing good work. Any corruption out in the open is good for us.

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They don’t actually care that he might of broke the law by illegally getting information. This is an attempt by them to send a message and scare people and whistle blowers. Don’t mess with the government and expose us or we will jail you for life.

 

[notimp]

He was granted asylum status. Then his status was revoked and assange would not leave requiring the use of UK police to remove him from the embassy by force which ecuuador allowed in. According to the ecuadorian embassy tensions were rising within the last few weeks/months between them and assange, he was playing load music all night, playing with a soccerball in the hall ways,

Are you serious. I mean are you buying this? Because the other side of the story goes as such -

The past president of Ecuador had this stance toward his country behaving like a good little US sattelite state:

Ecuador, However, sparked controversy in 2007, when the government of President Rafael Correa ordered the US withdraw from its military base at Manta by 2009. Correa offered Washington could maintain the base if Ecuador was granted a reciprocal military outpost in US territory.

src: https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/12704

While the current one is a US crony that got a 4.2 bn USD credit line for their plan to "economically restructure the country" from the IMF.

The former president, just denounced the current one publically as a traitor. (While he is being under corruption investigation, from the current government, but so is the current president...)


Clip is from RT, because OF COURSE this is political, and the only ones calling out the US as wankers on the public stage -- are and always will be russians.

The rest of the political world (not NGOs mind you) is engaging in funny smear campaigns, to tell each other, that Assange was arrested, because he played too much soccer in the corridors, and that an embassy NEEDED THE ASSISTANCE of local police, to get someone off of their grounds. So they didn't arrest him IN the embassy, but 10 feet in front of it after they dragged him out, being your point?

Effing denounciation games, slander, personal attacks - smear campaigns on character grounds.

"He heard music too loud..."

But, but thats what they said...They lied.

I mean, you can have it your way. Ecuador granted political asylum and citizenship to a US "enemy of the state" (because he exposed war crimes, publicly), then revoked it, because he played football in the corridors, and behaved like a spoiled brat (meaning, like a shut in - that went a little crazy after what 7 years?). Do you think the term "spoiled brat" in a press release, read off of a prompter by a president of a state, is coincidence as well? Bad choice of words maybe?

Or is it there to conjour up a public image of the guy thats now facing high treason and conspiracy charges by the worlds foremost superpower?

 

[notimp]

And this tweet, from 8 days ago - was probably Assange, after he played too much soccer in the corridors, telling his Wikileaks friends, to make up a story about this being a political decision - to hide his guilt, for obviously playing too much soccer in embassy corridors...

BREAKING: A high level source within the Ecuadorian state has told @WikiLeaks that Julian Assange will be expelled within "hours to days" using the #INAPapers offshore scandal as a pretext--and that it already has an agreement with the UK for his arrest.https://t.co/adnJph79wq

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) April 4, 2019

Bravo Mr. moderator, you truly _get_ politics on the international stage.

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And here is the obviously mistaken New York Times, commenting on why all those Press Freedom NGOs all of a sudden are up in arms, defending a 'spoiled brat' (because thats what you call whistleblowers now, facing life prison sentences):
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/us/politics/assange-indictment-press-freedom.html?rref=collection/byline/charlie-savage

You could read it. It basically states in so many words, what outright wankers the US are, in this case.

 

[Xzi]

Can you post the post evidence. They claimed they had mountain of evidence on Trump Russia but there was actually 0 and they lied.

How do you know "they" lied? Still nobody has seen the Mueller report other than Barr, and he seems completely unwilling to give an unredacted copy to Congress, as they're entitled to. How is anybody supposed to just take Barr's word for everything?

 

[notimp]

Guys, I dont know if you noticed, but everyone in Public Relations lies. (f.e.)

So does every human being.

Now could you please get the "But Trumps the victim!" side discussion out of this thread please. People might see it as offensive. And yes, I get the irony, that thats coming from me.

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Telepolis article (for german readers): https://www.heise.de/tp/features/As...-Ecuador-USA-und-Grossbritannien-4398076.html also commenting on this being a coordinated action between Ecuador, the US and the UK.

 

[cots]

This is bad. People think he hacked the DNC and colluded with Russia. He is not a hacker. He is a reporter. People give him documents and he just reports it. He is a journalist and a refugee and yet people are outraged. All because they hate Trump so much they don't care about a man exposing corruption.

This guy was the hero to the left along time ago because he exposed war crimes.
Now many on the left are cheering for his arrest because of the stupid Russia Gate conspiracy theory nonsense. Which has no evidence to support and shown to be false.

It's freedom of speech and freedom of the press unless it's against the government. Then your freedom of speech rights will be restricted. And the U.K. is going full facism, with censorship laws, speech restrictions to where people are getting arrested, and letting the U.S. get Assange. They tried to get him on sexual assault cases which didn't work. Now they are trying to get him on this.

Julian Assange is a foreign journalist and not born in the U.S. And the United States is charging him on criminal charges all because he published truthful information. And people are cheering for this.

The Liberals worshiped this guy until he could be used as ammo in their hate machine. Typical Liberal nonsense.

 

[Xzi]

The Liberals worshiped this guy until he could be used as ammo in their hate machine. Typical Liberal nonsense.

Liberals worshiped him when he was anti-establishment, and turned on him when he sold out to the establishment of Russia and other countries. That's how liberals tend to work. Assange became what Wikileaks was created to combat: a corrupt, self-serving individual with more money and influence than he knew how to handle.

 

[notimp]

Ecuador just arrested Wikileaks members in Ecuador:

After the announcement made by the Minister of the Interior , María Paula Romo , about the presence of a member of WikiLeaks and two Russian " hackers " who would be residing in Ecuador , former Foreign Minister Ricardo Patiño reacted. According to Romo, in the last weeks evidence would have been found that a " key member of WikiLeaks " would be collaborating in attempts of destabilization perpetrated in Ecuador. These facts, according to Romo, would have been forged in collaboration with Ricardo Patiño , who was the chancellor when he was granted diplomatic asylum to Julian Assange , in 2012.

Probably also avid soccer fans.

And probably destabilizing Ecuador for the better part of *looking at my watch* 24 hours.

src: https://www.elcomercio.com/actualidad/informacion-wikileaks-hackers-rusos-fiscalia.html (use google translate, content was referred from the german Telepolis article)

 

[cots]

Liberals worshiped him when he was anti-establishment, and turned on him when he sold out to the establishment of Russia and other countries. That's how liberals tend to work. Assange became what Wikileaks was created to combat: a corrupt, self-serving individual with more money and influence than he knew how to handle.

He didn't sell out to anyone. He reported on something that didn't fit into the Liberal agenda and got attacked for it. Like I said, typical Liberal nonsense.

 

[Xzi]

He didn't sell out to anyone. He reported on something that didn't fit into the Liberal agenda and got attacked for it. Like I said, typical Liberal nonsense.

He fucking sold out and bitched out, all at once. Again it's not about what he published, but what he didn't. Assange decided to operate out of fear, fear of Putin, and that's ultimately what led to his downfall and now his expulsion from an embassy/arrest.

 

[notimp]

And the US has already presented an extradition request, where Assange is accused of "Having helped Chelsea Manning 2010 to breach the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet) for documents and communications classified as secret".

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but what Manning did, was basically to run a wget script ("download me all the things"), on a network, he had access to because he worked on it. (Complexity of 'any 9 year old could manage' if they werent swiping and touchtyping all day.. .)

How does Assange "help him hacking" in that regard? wget -help too complicated?

Tech illiterate people drafting legal charges on hacking grounds once more? This will get funny - if the hearings are allowed to be public.