New Zealand bans military-style semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles

[CallmeBerto]

So what's stopping the trump bashers to take up their guns and overthrow office?

I was unaware Trump was throwing Mexicans in gas chambres.

 

[BiggieCheese]

"Censorship is okay as long as it doesn't go against my agenda." That's all I got out of that... Anyway, I'm all for the banning of military style weapons. I just don't agree that will solve all of our problems like some of you here. People are stabbed, and killed via other means every day. It may lessen the problem, to an extent.

White nationalist crap and other alt-right stuff should be against everyone’s agenda, it’s an extremely destructive belief system that has caused a lot of problems in the past, still is and will continue to do so. Some things are better off deplatformed.

 

[CallmeBerto]

White nationalist crap and other alt-right stuff should be against everyone’s agenda, it’s an extremely destructive belief system that has caused a lot of problems in the past, still is and will continue to do so. Some things are better off deplatformed.

Yeah, we should talk about communism/socialism forget all the dead bodies.

OR we could allow both ideas on the table and debunk them that way.

 

[SG854]

So what's stopping the trump bashers to take up their guns and overthrow office?

Because people in the U.S. are not savages. Most people in the U.S. are indifferent ever since Trump became president. Life continues like it always has. They are not being put into internment camps.

Seems like not much has changed. It’s the same it’s always been. And he doesn’t have all this power either, he’s been trying to get money for a border wall since the beginning but still can’t do it. His power is extremely limited. So no reason to overthrow trump with guns.

 

[Subtle Demise]

So what's stopping the trump bashers to take up their guns and overthrow office?

Because democrats are anti-gun for starters? The police are killing everyone and Trump is literally Hitler, but let's take all the guns.

 

[x65943]

Because democrats are anti-gun for starters? The police are killing everyone and Trump is literally Hitler, but let's take all the guns.

The irony is that the very people who think only the police should have guns, are the same people who think the police are abusing their power and killing innocent civilians

 

[Viri]

So what's stopping the trump bashers to take up their guns and overthrow office?

We did already. Didn't you see? We overthrew Fuhrer Trump, after he started gassing Mexicans, and start making land demands from Canada and Mexico.

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Also, New Zealand police are trying to get IP addresses from forums, this guy responded in a pretty amusing way.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/2019-...uding-ip-addresses-email-addresses-etc.54376/

 

[BiggieCheese]

Yeah, we should talk about communism/socialism forget all the dead bodies.

OR we could allow both ideas on the table and debunk them that way.

Whataboutism isn’t going to help anyone.
Besides, I don’t remember some of the nations that would soon go on to form the Allies saying “Wait, let’s hear them out first” when Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

 

[SG854]

The irony is that the very people who think only the police should have guns, are the same people who think the police are abusing their power and killing innocent civilians

Most of the U.S. is relatively safe. You can live your entire life without ever seeing any gun violence or mass shooting. But people from other countries think the U.S. is highly dangerous where gun and cop murders is everywhere.

It’s only a very few areas and ghettos where most of the crime is coming from. The U.S. is essentially the rich kid that has never seen how horrible life is on the outside world so doesn’t know how bad it really is in other contries. I know people that come from communist regimes where they see death and abuse of power and say the U.S. is a great safe place.

 

[CallmeBerto]

Whataboutism isn’t going to help anyone.
Besides, I don’t remember some of the nations that would soon go on to form the Allies saying “Wait, let’s hear them out first” when Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

The reason I bring up whataboutism is because of the blatant hypocrisy the left shows.

They are allowed to peddle their bullshitand nobody stops them. Someone on the right says something equally stupid and they are doxxed, deplatformed Etc.

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

Note how people still are free and government isn't enslaving anyone.

I don't know how you define "free" but people aren't free of anything. If we were all free, we'd not have to have certificates, IDs and so on which are proof that we're property. Nothing in the world is truly free and it comes at a cost.

Read up on Maritime Law if you're interested.

Also, the NZ shooting case has been fairly strange and hard to make sense out of it. I've skimmed through the shitbag's manifesto and that was just a bunch of nonsense. He goes on as how 'invaders' are taking over his land but he forgets that NZ/Australia and the Americas do not belong to the Europeans but rather that our ancestors colonized it. NZ is of the Maoris, just an example.

Brenton Terrant wanted to create division and chaos, and he kind of got that as people stupidly fell into his trap. Not surprised NZ's leader has decided to ban guns or limit to a certain extent as that's where it's all going but even then crime still exists as crooks find their 'tools' by other means. Take Britain for example, the media is constantly talking about Brexit but they forget that London is still a crime-ridden city and regardless that guns are banned, criminals can acquire them and also use kitchen utensils.

I could have sworn that yesterday I heard a gunshot and then around 4am a woman saying something like "You murderer, you killed my family and friends" from down the street and then it stopped. I didn't look outside so I don't know what happened afterwards but hey, just talk about Brexit and never mind crime.

 

[Viri]

Take Britain for example, the media is constantly talking about Brexit but they forget that London is still a crime-ridden city and regardless that guns are banned, criminals can acquire them and also use kitchen utensils.

London is a legit crime ridden shit hole. I went there a few years ago to visit my cousin, and boy was I blown away. I live in a pretty shitty city in the US, and London made me feel right at home. I was expecting a nice peaceful city back then, lol.

 

[Hanafuda]

Left-wing America is outraged at President Trump's abuse (in their opinion) of executive power for declaring an emergency re: illegal immigration, but simply thrilled with New Zealand's Prime Minister Dictator, and her politically correct Maori sign language sidekick. Authoritarian, unilateral government action to deprive the citizenry of rights and liberty is hunky dory with the left, apparently, so long as the action accords with their agenda.

 

[Deleted User]

They don't even have a way to track the guns. They pretty much said they expect everyone to come forward voluntarily.

So in other words, the criminals still have guns.


The first step should've been to require registration.

 

[Xzi]

Left-wing America is outraged at President Trump's abuse (in their opinion) of executive power for declaring an emergency re: illegal immigration, but simply thrilled with New Zealand's Prime Minister Dictator, and her politically correct Maori sign language sidekick. Authoritarian, unilateral government action to deprive the citizenry of rights and liberty is hunky dory with the left, apparently, so long as the action accords with their agenda.

Yes, the left-wing does tend to like it when leadership attempts to solve problems/crises rather than creating entirely new problems from thin air. And the right-wing cries wolf on this topic so goddamn much that we're desensitized to hearing that "teh gubment is gunna cum take our gunzz!" Literally only one president in history has ever suggested such an authoritarian tactic, and that president is currently in office.

 

[Captain_N]

Left-wing America is outraged at President Trump's abuse (in their opinion) of executive power for declaring an emergency re: illegal immigration, but simply thrilled with New Zealand's Prime Minister Dictator, and her politically correct Maori sign language sidekick. Authoritarian, unilateral government action to deprive the citizenry of rights and liberty is hunky dory with the left, apparently, so long as the action accords with their agenda.

As long as it gives more control to the government, the left/progressives love the idea. First thing Castro did in cuba when he took over is take all the guns. Taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens is always key to control.

@Xzi My problem with the left is they think the problems are solved with more government control. Larger government control is what they are all about. Its their fundamental base. The forefathers wanted a limited central government. State and local government would handle their own stuff. The federal government was never ment to be as bloated as it is now.

The reason the liberals/progressives hate trump because he does not follow their game They thought Hilary would win and their larger government control would progress as it was doing under Obama. More government control always leads to extremes. The goal since the 1920s progressive movement has been to slowly grow the government. They knew taking away guns would not fly so they have to do more indirect approaches like passing laws requiring guns to be registered so the government knows who has what. Obama said it best when he said "I want to fundamentally change America"

 

[Xzi]

As long as it gives more control to the government, the left/progressives love the idea. First thing Castro did in cuba when he took over is take all the guns. Taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens is always key to control.

Literally only one president in history has ever suggested such an authoritarian tactic, and that president is currently in office.

Hate to simply quote myself, but it covers exactly what my reply would've been anyway.

 

[Hanafuda]

Yes, the left-wing does tend to like it when leadership attempts to solve problems/crises rather than creating entirely new problems from thin air. And the right-wing cries wolf on this topic so goddamn much that we're desensitized to hearing that "teh gubment is gunna cum take our gunzz!" Literally only one president in history has ever suggested such an authoritarian tactic, and that president is currently in office.

Yeah well he got schooled after that and never repeated it. Trump's like a frontman for a garage band ... can't play the guitar so good, but he's good at standing at the mic and belting out a tune. A lawyer he ain't.

 

[Captain_N]

Hate to simply quote myself, but it covers exactly what my reply would've been anyway.

I was typing more while you responded. Obama passed a lot of executive orders as well. Some of which are not legal. Tell me what trump is doing thats equivalent to saying "Give me all your guns", you will not be able to have gas burning cars past 2030, You will be forced to have green buildings, no air planes only high speed rails, even to Hawaii, not sure how that is gonna work. In California, you have to have solar panels when you build a new house.

 

[Xzi]

Yeah well he got schooled after that and never repeated it. Trump's like a frontman for a garage band ... can't play the guitar so good, but he's good at standing at the mic and belting out a tune. A lawyer he ain't.

He's about as much a "frontman" as GWB was. You just said it yourself: Trump is nothing but an empty vessel through which to push the neocon agenda, he has to be "schooled" on everything about being president. So in this metaphor that perhaps makes him...the band's third pick for drummer. A lawyer he ain't and a leader he ain't.