2020 elections : Sanders back on the ballot

[SG854]

Youtube is not a source. And I don't mean it's not a primary source, I mean it should never be used as a source of information/news gathering, period. It's strictly for entertainment and disseminating opinions/disinformation.

Also his name is Bernie, he's not a bear or bear-like in stature.

YouTube is actually a realiable source when you know how to search for the right people.

Tim Pool has worked in media and presents news more accurately then many Mainstream News sources.

YouTube was the one that got the Covington Story right when popular mainstream news sources got the news wrong and refused to apologize. And now Washington Post is getting sued for posting fake news. Which looks like he’s going to win. Simply it being on YouTube does not disqualify it at all and doesn’t mean it’s unreliable.

Teen sues Washington Post


Bernie is the 2nd most popular presidential candidate right now. The problem is that only Democrate will vote for Bernie but the Democratic Party is extremely fractured right now. The more moderate left won’t vote for Bearnie because he is too left for them. The Far Left is even crazier beyond left of what Bearnie is, and won’t vote because he’s a white male.

Dems diversity push may block Bearnie in 2020

Why joe biden shouldn't run for president - article explains that he’s a white man.

Bearnie responds to female sexism and harassment scandals in his 2016 campaign - not a good look for far left people that care about this.

Bernie distance himself on dumb 1972 essay on rape - intersectional feminist will not like this one.

What an all white msnbc graph will teaches us about 2020 race.

 

[Hanafuda]

Superdelegates, arguably the more controversial part of the Democratic nomination process in 2016, had no effect on the outcome. Clinton won, with or without them. The controversy is they could have maybe handed the election to Clinton even if Bernie had done better. The good news is, on the first voting round at the convention anyway, there are no superdelegates in 2020.

Tell @x65943 that. I'm just rubbing the cat's hair backwards.

 

[Lacius]

Tell @x65943 that. I'm just rubbing the cat's hair backwards.

You're the one who said the DNC decides the nominee and that it was all exposed last time. That's untrue.

 

[Hanafuda]

You're the one who said the DNC decides the nominee and that it was all exposed last time. That's untrue.

Well, Elizabeth Warren and Donna Brazile both say it was rigged for Clinton.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...acked-dnc-during-primary-with-bernie-sanders/

The former interim head of the Democratic Party just accused Hillary Clinton's campaign of “unethical” conduct that “compromised the party's integrity.” The Clinton campaign's alleged sin: A hostile takeover of the Democratic National Committee before her primary with Sen. Bernie Sanders had concluded.

In the op-ed, Brazile says:

• Clinton's campaign took care of the party's debt and “put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which [Clinton] expected to wield control of its operations.” She described Clinton's control of the DNC as a “cancer.”
• Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Clinton's campaign, told her the DNC was (these are Brazile's words) “fully under the control of Hillary’s campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp.”
• She “couldn’t write a news release without passing it by Brooklyn.”
• Then-Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whose pressured resignation after the leaked emails left Brazile in charge as interim chairwoman, “let Clinton’s headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired” because she didn't want to tell the party's leaders how dire the DNC's financial situation was. Brazile says Wasserman Schultz arranged a $2 million loan from the Clinton campaign without the consent of party officers like herself, contrary to party rules.

Brazile sums it up near the end: “If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.”

 

[Xzi]

YouTube is actually a realiable source when you know how to search for the right people.

If you mean searching for the right spin doctors, then sure.

Bernie is the 2nd most popular presidential candidate right now. The problem is that only Democrate will vote for Bernie but the Democratic Party is extremely fractured right now.

There's no possibility of Democrats being "fractured" right now, all the candidates haven't even declared yet, and we're quite a ways off from the primary still. Opinion pieces mean little to nothing in the long run.

FYI Trump has one primary challenger of his own on the Republican side already, Bill Weld, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more pop up:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/us/politics/bill-weld-trump-2020.html

 

[SG854]

If you mean searching for the right spin doctors, then sure

Not a good comparison, and you are putting up a logical fallacy, especially when Covington story was wrong on many mainstream news networks, and Tim Pool has won an award for his News coverage despite him now being an independent journalist, but I won’t debate this specific topic anymore it’s just going to be me and you saying the same thing over and over.

YouTube has been reliable with right the people and got many stories correct, so that’s all I’m concerned about. It’s all about knowing where to look to get the right information.

There's no possibility of Democrats being "fractured" right now, all the candidates haven't even declared yet, and we're quite a ways off from the primary still.

The Democratic Party has been fracturing way before this presidential election started.

54% of Democrat’s want to be more moderate. So Bernie’s more further left policies are a no no for them. The more liberal Democrats which is 41%, the ones more likely to be identitarian or intersectional, are the ones likely to vote for Bernie. It’s a fraction of a fraction.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245462/democrats-favor-moderate-party-gop-conservative.aspx

Opinion pieces mean little to nothing in the long run.

Well duh, that’s all everybody is doing right now is opinion, you won’t know until the election is finished. So there’s always a chance someone’s predictions is going to wrong.

What people are doing is trying to see who is going to win using an educated guess with the best information they have at the moment. That’s the whole point of this thread.

 

[Captain_N]

Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Just all the dems running for 2020 are socialist. In the 1980s and 1990s, he praised the soviets, cuba and other socialist/communist conutries.

Do people really think they are gonna be able to have "free" health care free collage and a UBI, with out any change to how much you pay your hard earned money to the government? What these hard leftists and progressives are not telling you is tax rate will be well above 60%. Do you really thing only the rich will pay that? Sorry but there are no where near enough rich people to pay for this socialist nonsense.

Why are so many people immigrating to the US? Because they are tired of their governments control. They want a better life. I for the life of me will understand why people think the larger government is the more freedom there is.... ANd miss cortez dont even get me started on that dumb ass. She must be smoking some really good shit

 

[Xzi]

The Democratic Party has been fracturing way before this presidential election started.

54% of Democrat’s want to be more moderate. So Bernie’s more further left policies are a no no for them. The more liberal Democrats which is 41%, the ones more likely to be identitarian or intersectional, are the ones likely to vote for Bernie. It’s a fraction of a fraction.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245462/democrats-favor-moderate-party-gop-conservative.aspx

Democrats have never been nearly as monolithic as Republicans in our beliefs/viewpoints, but that doesn't mean we aren't willing to come together behind whatever candidate wins the primary. Additionally, Bernie's policies were nearly all added to the DNC platform during the 2016 conference. Which is part of the reason these issues are so mainstream now, and the reason the party just elected a massive wave of young progressives to Congress.

Do people really think they are gonna be able to have "free" health care free collage and a UBI, with out any change to how much you pay your hard earned money to the government? What these hard leftists and progressives are not telling you is tax rate will be well above 60%. Do you really thing only the rich will pay that? Sorry but there are no where near enough rich people to pay for this socialist nonsense.

Wake the fuck up, your taxes already went up this year to pay for the corporate welfare Trump passed. If your taxes are going to be going up slightly anyway, you should prefer they then go to programs which benefit the lower/middle classes. Not to mention the consequences of impending automation, which don't just go away because we pretend they aren't there.

Also, you should really learn how a marginal tax rate works:

Spoiler

The 1950s had a marginal tax rate of 90%, the economy was booming, and American wage-earners could support entire families on one income. What a Socialist nightmare, am I right?

 

[SG854]

Democrats have never been nearly as monolithic as Republicans in our beliefs/viewpoints, but that doesn't mean we aren't willing to come together behind whatever candidate wins the primary. Additionally, Bernie's policies were nearly all added to the DNC platform during the 2016 conference. Which is part of the reason these issues are so mainstream now, and the reason the party just elected a massive wave of young progressives to Congress.


Wake the fuck up, your taxes already went up this year to pay for the corporate welfare Trump passed. If your taxes are going to be going up slightly anyway, you should prefer they then go to programs which benefit the lower/middle classes. Not to mention the consequences of impending automation, which don't just go away because we pretend they aren't there.

Also, you should really learn how a marginal tax rate works:

Spoiler

The 1950s had a marginal tax rate of 90%, the economy was booming, and American wage-earners could support entire families on one income. What a Socialist nightmare, am I right?

That’s true, Republicans are more uniform then Democrats and it’s their strong point. Democrats do unite when they have a common enemy and Trump was theirs.

The problem is more with the intersectionalists and identitarians. They have gone far off the rails. The more moderate Democrats don’t agree with them and increasingly try to further themselves from them. This is bad and makes it harder for the party to get things done.

When you compare Bernie to Trump, Trump has gotten positive reception from both Republicans and Independents during the State of the Union. And getting Independent support is a big one for Trump. Bernie is not going to have it easy. If Bernie is going to get anything done he has to stop being a push over. This is his biggest weak point.

 

[Xzi]

That’s true, Republicans are more uniform then Democrats and it’s their strong point.

It's also their weak point and the reason they were so quick to sell out all their values in favor of Trumpism.

When you compare Bernie to Trump, Trump has gotten positive reception from both Republicans and Independents during the State of the Union. And getting Independent support is a big one for Trump. Bernie is not going to have it easy. If Bernie is going to get anything done he has to stop being a push over. This is his biggest weak point.

Rofl WHAT? Bernie is literally an independent, Trump is neoconservative taken to an extreme. There aren't any undecideds left at this point, people definitely know whether they support Trump's brand of xenophobic isolationism or not. The fact that he managed to keep from going completely off the rails at the SOTU isn't going to change anybody's mind on that. It was still a rambling speech full of lies.

 

[x65943]

That’s true, Republicans are more uniform then Democrats and it’s their strong point. Democrats do unite when they have a common enemy and Trump was theirs.

The problem is more with the intersectionalists and identitarians. They have gone far off the rails. The more moderate Democrats don’t agree with them and increasingly try to further themselves from them. This is bad and makes it harder for the party to get things done.

When you compare Bernie to Trump, Trump has gotten positive reception from both Republicans and Independents during the State of the Union. And getting Independent support is a big one for Trump. Bernie is not going to have it easy. If Bernie is going to get anything done he has to stop being a push over. This is his biggest weak point.

You know like 1/2 of Americans identify as D, and 1/4 as R, and another 1/4 as I

So the Republicans literally have to appeal to the independents to even have a chance

Thing is the independents almost always vote R so it's a tad ridiculous they even identify the way they do

 

[Xzi]

You know like 1/2 of Americans identify as D, and 1/4 as R, and another 1/4 as I

So the Republicans literally have to appeal to the independents to even have a chance

Thing is the independents almost always vote R so it's a tad ridiculous they even identify the way they do

In terms of registered voters this is about right, but you also have to remember that only 63% of Americans vote (at most), leaving us with 37% which are completely unaffiliated.

 

[SG854]

You know like 1/2 of Americans identify as D, and 1/4 as R, and another 1/4 as I

So the Republicans literally have to appeal to the independents to even have a chance

Thing is the independents almost always vote R so it's a tad ridiculous they even identify the way they do

So on other words your saying 50% Democrat and 50% Republican.

Which will not help Bernie’s case. When not all Democrats will vote for Bernie.

And even if half are Democrats, their is problems happening within the party. The intersectionalist, anti white male rhetoric is not a good look for them. And it’s driving people away from their party. And the more moderates are trying to distance themselves from that, so that people will take them more seriously.

It's also their weak point and the reason they were so quick to sell out all their values in favor of Trumpism.


Rofl WHAT? Bernie is literally an independent, Trump is neoconservative taken to an extreme. There aren't any undecideds left at this point, people definitely know whether they support Trump's brand of xenophobic isolationism or not. The fact that he managed to keep from going completely off the rails at the SOTU isn't going to change anybody's mind on that. It was still a rambling speech full of lies.

How ever you felt about the State of the Union does not change the fact that it got positive reception. And garnerd him more support.

The problem is your looking at this from a self centric point of view. To you Trump is the worst trash ever so it’s obvious why I wouldn’t vote for him. To others he’s garnering more support, and if you pay attention to what people are saying, not just what Democrats are saying, then you’ll see this. And if you don’t address this problem then Trump will win 2020. Don’t underestimate Trump that’s what they did before.

Bernie is independent but independents won’t vote for Bernie. Bernie is too left for independents.

 

[Xzi]

How ever you felt about the State of the Union does not change the fact that it got positive reception. And garnerd him more support.

Any good will or temporary support he garnered from his faux-statesmanship during the SOTU he lost when he declared a national emergency over a tantrum. 66% disapprove of that, it's literally only his most core supporters that will argue in favor of something so stupid. After they were promised Mexico was paying for the wall numerous times, no less.

To others he’s garnering more support, and if you pay attention to what people are saying, not just what Democrats are saying, then you’ll see this. And if you don’t address this problem then Trump will win 2020. Don’t underestimate Trump that’s what they did before.

Nonsense. His numbers went down during the shutdown, and at best they're back where they were before it now. Depending on which polls you're looking at.

Bernie is independent but independents won’t vote for Bernie. Bernie is too left for independents

That's because most aren't actual Independents, but just Republicans who want to save face in front of friends/family. As has already been pointed out.

 

[Glyptofane]

Now this commie is on board with regime change in Venezuela. Just as when he disgustingly caved to AIPAC back in 2017, he can't help but prove he's a total fraud.

 

[Taleweaver]

Now this commie is on board with regime change in Venezuela. Just as when he disgustingly caved to AIPAC back in 2017, he can't help but prove he's a total fraud.

Lemme guess: your source is fox news?

Those clowns make things up as they go. The more scaremongering the better.


...but okay: I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt: link me to something where he actually said that (and no, a 2 second sound bite won't work).

 

[Glyptofane]

Lemme guess: your source is fox news?

Those clowns make things up as they go. The more scaremongering the better.


...but okay: I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt: link me to something where he actually said that (and no, a 2 second sound bite won't work).

I don't watch Fox News, but am sometimes led to clips of Tucker Carlson. He seem's legit.

It wasn't on there though as even left leaning shitrags are against the Bern. It was a Google News popup on my phone that alerted me to his self destructive statements this morning. I think we can agree they would only promote the most breaking, important and hardcore left news available. What the Sandman said is that Venezuela requires international aid. By current Trump admin terms, that means level the place. Aid always means blow them up, not just with Trump.

 

[Xzi]

I don't watch Fox News, but am sometimes led to clips of Tucker Carlson. He seem's legit.

You mean that guy that just got destroyed on his own show so bad that he wouldn't even air the interview?

It wasn't on there though as even left leaning shitrags are against the Bern. It was a Google News popup on my phone that alerted me to his self destructive statements this morning. I think we can agree they would only promote the most breaking, important and hardcore left news available. What the Sandman said is that Venezuela requires international aid. By current Trump admin terms, that means level the place. Aid always means blow them up, not just with Trump.

"Aid" only means blow them up under Republicans. Odds are we'll deploy troops to Venezuela before Trump's first term is over anyway.

 

[Glyptofane]

You mean that guy that just got destroyed on his own show so bad that he wouldn't even air the interview?




"Aid" only means blow them up under Republicans. Odds are we'll deploy troops to Venezuela before Trump's first term is over anyway.

Haha yea I saw this and loved it. Tucker's great, huh?

 

[Xzi]

Haha yea I saw this and loved it. Tucker's great, huh?

Nah he's a shitweasel. Can't handle it when anybody makes valid points which run contrary to his "fuck you I got mine" political views. Thank god Bregman recorded that segment, or we never would've seen it. It's just as he says: Carlson is a millionaire funded by billionaire dirty money, so he has a clear motive in continuing to push lower taxes for the rich. He'll always be part of the problem.