2020 elections : Sanders back on the ballot

[The Catboy]

Primaries matter. A lot. Good people actually run in the primary and often don't win just because turnout is so much lower than the general election. It's really the big chance you have to vote for someone you actually like rather than the lesser of two evils.

Yeah, the general election can be pretty pointless if two bad candidates both win the primaries, or even if two good ones win. But still, the state level and congressional races matter a lot too, possibly more than the president because we are seeing what happens when one party controls all three branches and disregards the constitutional checks on the executive branch's power.

I am not undermining them and I actually do show up for them. I am just venting because I hate how the game seems to be played.

 

[FAST6191]

On a small note: I've seen some footage of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I know she's not a candidate (yet? ), but as far as young democrats go: you CAN be both smart and beautiful. She's doing it effortlessly.

She is/will be too young if the minimum age limit is in place. He is probably looked at as being a bit on the old side as you tend to want to go for two terms, at something that is a rather tiring/ageing job, and if you are already rather advanced in years...

Back on her then smart? She has repeatedly talked some utter bollocks for months now, shown fundamental misunderstandings of things she should theoretically know (she is apparently a degree educated economist, see then the complete misunderstanding of the concept of a tax break recently), and has been seen to not especially play ball with her party (which may or may not count as far as smarts go but it is not endearing her to many).

 

[Joe88]

On a small note: I've seen some footage of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I know she's not a candidate (yet? ), but as far as young democrats go: you CAN be both smart and beautiful. She's doing it effortlessly.

Beauty is subjective and is in the eye of the beholder.
But I will say she is not smart unless you think socialism is a good idea because it hasn't destroyed enough countries already. She also doesn't even seem to understand how the government works even on the local level. She just cost NY 25,000+ jobs with amazon deciding to pull out of the HQ2 deal mainly because of ocasio-cortez and a few other far left democrats. Shcumer, cuomo, and de blasio also wern't happy about that.
Then the "green new deal" which is a joke more than anything else and just giving more ammunition for republicans to win 2020 with. Pelosi also seems to be at odds with her, mostly ignoring stuff she says or down playing it all while the media keeps putting her on a pedestal.

 

[Kraken_X]

"we are seeing what happens when one party controls all three branches"

Not since January, Democrats have the house - meaning Republicans currently control the presidency and part of the SCOTUS and legislature

"Control" is the operative word. Unless one of the conservative judges defects, the non-republicans in the SCOTUS don't have any power. Likewise, even if something can pass the house, republicans won't let it pass the senate, especially with a veto.

 

[x65943]

"Control" is the operative word. Unless one of the conservative judges defects, the non-republicans in the SCOTUS don't have any power. Likewise, even if something can pass the house, republicans won't let it pass the senate, especially with a veto.

Democrats have the power to obstruct pretty heavily in Congress

Of course if Roberts makes SCOTUS a rubber stamp (no indication of this) Trump can do whatever he wants

 

[Lacius]

I like Senator Sanders, and depending on how things go between now and my state's primary election, I might vote for him again. However, I really hope that if he loses the Democratic nomination again, Sanders supporters will support the Democratic nominee a lot more than some of them did in 2016. They were part of the reason why Donald Trump won the Electoral College.

 

[Xzi]

Beauty is subjective and is in the eye of the beholder.
But I will say she is not smart unless you think socialism is a good idea because it hasn't destroyed enough countries already. She also doesn't even seem to understand how the government works even on the local level.

You're the one who still doesn't seem to understand how Democratic Socialism works. Nobody is pitching a complete re-haul of the government to a Socialist one.

She just cost NY 25,000+ jobs with amazon deciding to pull out of the HQ2 deal mainly because of ocasio-cortez and a few other far left democrats. Shcumer, cuomo, and de blasio also wern't happy about that.

Amazon has shit working conditions and they require whatever state they headquarter in to pay a ton of ridiculous royalties, so that shit barely evens out. The Dems also aren't nearly as divided as you'd like to think, and Republicans are mostly the ones putting a massive spotlight on AOC. Which helps put more progressive policy ideas into the mainstream, so thanks for that.

Then the "green new deal" which is a joke more than anything else and just giving more ammunition for republicans to win 2020 with.

Yeah, because a fucking wall in the middle of the desert, which can be SAWED THROUGH, is a much better way to spend taxpayer dollars and emergency funds.

 

[KingVamp]

You're the one who still doesn't seem to understand how Democratic Socialism works. Nobody is pitching a complete re-haul of the government to a Socialist one.

Don't cha know? Socialism = Things I don't like and don't actually care to understand.

Also, I think it is more like Social Democracy.

 

[Xzi]

24 hours after his announcement, Sanders has raised $6 million dollars in donations. The previous 24-hour high was $1.5 million for Kamala Harris.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/us/politics/bernie-sanders-fundraising.html

 

[Kioku]

I like Senator Sanders, and depending on how things go between now and my state's primary election, I might vote for him again. However, I really hope that if he loses the Democratic nomination again, Sanders supporters will support the Democratic nominee a lot more than some of them did in 2016. They were part of the reason why Donald Trump won the Electoral College.

As long as Clinton isn't a frontrunner I don't see this being a problem

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Yeah, because a fucking wall in the middle of the desert, which can be SAWED THROUGH, is a much better way to spend taxpayer dollars and emergency funds.

We're essentially burning money by the piles. The wall definitely won't help. Just wishing those with the authority would care more for those already inside instead of inviting more in.

 

[Lacius]

As long as Clinton isn't a frontrunner I don't see this being a problem

It's difficult to predict what irrational people will do.

 

[SG854]

Get Clinton in there again and we can recreate last election and the train wreck that it ensued.

I actually want that to happen for entertainment.

It look like the far left isn’t going to vote for Bearnie Sanders because he’s a White Male.

I wish I was kidding.

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Clinton running would be so insanely irresponsible, it would effectively reopen last election's wounds and tear apart the left.

Thankfully she has already said she will not run again!

Losers tend to have a hard time gaining momentum - it's why Gore never ran again.

Considering she lost to two Presidents

 

[Xzi]

It look like the far left isn’t going to vote for Bearnie Sanders because he’s a White Male.

I wish I was kidding.

You're not kidding, you're just full of shit. Bernie is the progressive favorite now that he's in the race, as I said he outraised Harris' 24-hour total $6 million to $1.5 million. With a donation average of just over $26.50. Harris probably won't even hold second place for too long, as there will be more progressives entering the race.

I like the idea of Beto entering the race, but I might like the idea of him running as Bernie's VP even more. Then, god forbid, anything should happen to Sanders, we've got the perfect progressive interim president. If nothing happens to Bernie, Beto can be the presidential candidate in 2024 or 2028.

 

[b17bomber]

Match my donation bro! Oh what's that, you saw a picture of me in a Corvette? Sorry, no refunds.

 

[SG854]

You're not kidding, you're just full of shit. Bernie is the progressive favorite now that he's in the race, as I said he outraised Harris' 24-hour total $6 million to $1.5 million. With a donation average of just over $26.50. Harris probably won't even hold second place for too long, as there will be more progressives entering the race.

So mean

Far Left does hate him

They’re getting mad that Bearnie and the rest of White people is blaming the countries problems on Donald Trump for decades of collective white supremacist history, they say they are using Trump as a scapegoat. Far Left doesn’t like Bearnie.

 

[Xzi]

So mean

Far Left does hate him

They’re getting mad that Bearnie and the rest of White people is blaming the countries problems on Donald Trump for decades of collective white supremacist history, they say they are using Trump as a scapegoat. Far Left doesn’t like Bearnie.

Youtube is not a source. And I don't mean it's not a primary source, I mean it should never be used as a source of information/news gathering, period. It's strictly for entertainment and disseminating opinions/disinformation.

Also his name is Bernie, he's not a bear or bear-like in stature.

 

[Hanafuda]

If you're American, would you vote for him in the primary?

What difference would it make if you did? DNC decides the nominee, it was all exposed last time.

Thankfully she has already said she will not run again!

That's what she always says, until she says she's running.

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[Xzi]

What difference would it make if you did? DNC decides the nominee, it was all exposed last time.

Clinton won the popular vote and the majority of states during the primary. I wasn't happy about it either, and I knew the party was playing things too close to the center, but this conspiracy theory is entirely played out. It only makes sense, unfortunately, that Southern and Midwest Dems would have gone for Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

 

[x65943]

Clinton won the popular vote and the majority of states during the primary. I wasn't happy about it either, and I knew the party was playing things too close to the center, but this conspiracy theory is entirely played out. It only makes sense, unfortunately, that Southern and Midwest Dems would have gone for Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

The media constantly portrayed Clinton as having a giant lead as they counted superdelegates

Regardless of the fact that the supers had not voted yet and could not vote until the DNC

This rampant misinformation campaign on the part of the liberal media cost Sanders a lot of votes as people assumed Clinton was winning by a landslide (she wasn't)

It was clear from the beginning who the DNC favored - it was disgusting that there was only one primary debate - bias bias bias

If you look at the leaked emails they even talked about targeting Sanders for being an Atheist and Jewish

 

[Lacius]

What difference would it make if you did? DNC decides the nominee, it was all exposed last time.




That's what she always says, until she says she's running.

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Superdelegates, arguably the more controversial part of the Democratic nomination process in 2016, had no effect on the outcome. Clinton won, with or without them. The controversy is they could have maybe handed the election to Clinton even if Bernie had done better. The good news is, on the first voting round at the convention anyway, there are no superdelegates in 2020.